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Are 1x Drivetrains The Future Of Cycling? | The GCN Tech Show Ep. 2

Are 1x Drivetrains The Future Of Cycling? | The GCN Tech Show Ep. 2


– Hello and welcome to episode
two of the GCN Tech show. Thank you so much for all your support and positive comments last week. We will again be bringing
you the latest and greatest from the world of bike tech. – And we tackle another hot topic: Is 1x a compromise too
far or is it the future? – Yeah and we will also be
inducting our first product onto the new GCN Wall of Fame. Find out what is deserving
of this honour later on. – I’m excited about that. And that’s not before
we show you what bikes are in this week’s bike vault. (alarm ringing) (upbeat electronic music) – What is hot in the
world of tech this week? (booming) – Well, Si, have you made the switch yet? – Not sure that I have, mate. – You have not made the switch? – No, I have not made the switch. – Well the Swytch is an Indiegogo project that in the first 24
hours smashed its target. Basically it’s an add-on e-bike kit. You can fit it to any bike. And some of the images
I’ve seen of bikes fitted, they’ve been pretty cool. – I know what you’re talking about, and yes, I too, have seen
the Penny Farthing e-bike. That is quite cool. Right, so it is a hub based motor and the battery is stored
in a handlebar bag. So the standard one gives you 250 watts. And you gotta say it’s
pretty neat, isn’t it? It looks like it’s about the size of the original PowerTap hub,
if anyone remembers those, but then there was also a
bigger, bulkier, turbo version that gives you 350 watts, but that apparently is
only legal in the U.S. – Yeah and apparently,
according to the manufacturer, it goes up to 50 miles, you can add or remove it in ten minutes, and it weighs only four kilogrammes. That’s impressive. – It is. You can start to see why it’s getting a bit of publicity. (upbeat music) And that is before we
tell you that actually it’s currently on sale for 400 dollars. (gasping) – You cheapened it, huh? – Yeah, you can imagine there’s a lot of people thinking well they could you know pimp their bike and
make it into an e-bike. But you also have to say, add in an element of caution, don’t you? Because it’s one of
these crowdfunding things so there are no guarantees. Now, Jon, how do you fancy a cycling jersey made out of old water bottles? – Honestly, Si, never
really thought about this. I’m all for cutting
down on plastics though. And up until recently
I didn’t really realise quite how bad for the
environment some clothing can be. – No, I didn’t either, but GRN Sportswear is
a brand that’s hoping to do a little bit about that. So it produced sustainable
and ethical sportswear. And in their range they
have a cycling jersey which uses materials from
seven plastic bottles. – [Jon] Seven? – Yeah, to give, apparently, a fabric that has all the
conventional properties that you’d expect from a cycling jersey. They also, and I particular like this, have a pair of shorts they have made out of old fishing nets and carpet. – Fishnet shorts? – Well, yeah, so imagine
you could have like obviously the actual
fishing net on your legs and maybe the chamois is the old carpet or something like that.
– Oh, sounds all right. – No, again, it’s completely recycled into a performance fabric. So that’s pretty cool, isn’t it? I gotta give a big shout out actually to a company trying to
do something about that. – Yeah, so make sure you
recycle your plastic bottles, and who knows maybe you’ll be helping make a cycle Jersey in the future. – That’s right, or better yet actually, don’t use disposable
plastic bottles at all. Shameless plug. – Oh. – Reuse. Buy something that’s
actually going to last. – Lifetime guarantee as well. – Yeah, it does, doesn’t it?
– Yeah. Right, well big news coming
through the tech world is coming from the annual
Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. We’ll have more news on that
though in the coming weeks. First up, is from Italian brand Hi Ride, who’ve just shown the endurance smart active suspension system, which apparently is an artificial intelligence controlled unit, a couple of buzz words that we’re starting to hear more and more of these days. – They say that it has gyroscopic sensors and accelerometers in there
that generate big data, and from that it can then work out what the riding conditions are and adjust the suspension accordingly. And oh, Jon, what suspension it has. – Hit me with it, come on come on. – 2.5 centimetres up front. – Oh, oh, oh. – And an almighty one point
one centimetres at the rear. – 11 mil? – Yeah.
– That’s not much. – Now I don’t know
whether it’s just ’cause, you know, I come from a mountain
bike background originally, but 11 millimetres doesn’t
sound like a great deal to me, not when you can visibly
see more flex coming out of a modern carbon frame. So the jury’s out on that one, but anyway. – Yeah, and news just in actually, Peters Sagan of Bora-Hansgrohe, his team have just been
spotted with a new power metre. At the Tour Down Under, yeah. – The kind of transmission unit that’s bolted on to the drive side crank is basically identical to a
4iiii power metre, isn’t it? Except for the fact that it’s
got a Specialized decal on. The left hand crank unit
is a little bit different to the standard 4iiii one. – It’s a little bit longer, isn’t it? – Yeah, so maybe it’s
not exactly the same. But you’ve got to wonder, haven’t you, whether or not the team have
just stuck Specialized decals on a standard 4iiii power metre, which if they bought it they’d
be allowed to do I guess, or are Specialised actually. – Are they making a power play? – (laughs) Yeah, are they
leasing the technology from 4iiii or maybe they’re gonna
buy it, I don’t know. – Yeah, I don’t know. I’m actually gonna be at the
Tour Down Under next week so I’m gonna get some shots of that and I’ll be updating you. Also apparently Specialised
have release a new helmet and also some new shoes. – Right on, mate. – So keep your eyes peeled for those. (booming) Right, then, 1x drivetrains. More controversial it
would seem than disc brakes or even sock length. – Yeah and that is pretty controversial. But we have strong evidence to
suggest that they really are. Last year on GCM we made a video where we tried to work out
how the Aqua Blue Sport team will use 1x on their new
3T Strada team bikes, that remember can’t be fitted
with a front derailleur, so they have to use
single-chainring setups and no left hand shifters. Now the comments section under said video went utterly ballistic. It really did light the blue touch paper. A lot of people seem to think
that they’re being sold an idea that’s actually a step backwards. – Is it a step backwards yet forwards, or forwards yet backwards? Because for a long time
more gears were associated with higher end groupsets. – True. – And close-ratio
cassettes, they’re also pro. – Pro. – So surely both of these go against 1x. – Well, that is true and like you said a lot of people seem to think so. Perhaps the most outspoken
commenter I could find was a man called Johnny Cab, who said that he felt
that 1x was the worst marketing meme in five years. And then he goes on to say that he thinks that with 1x
you get a worse gear spread, worse gear selection,
higher drivetrain wear, more drivetrain loss, and
more changing of cassettes. – Well, Johnny, next time
really tell us what you think ’cause you’re sitting on the fence there. – Yeah. Now I do disagree on all those points, particularly drivetrain
wear and drivetrain loss. But, the one thing I think
we should tackle right now with help from another
commenter, Seth Dolcourt, is actually the whole
thing about gear spread. So he points out there’s actually a number of gear overlaps on a 2x system. He said he’s got 20 gear combinations on his 10-speed groupset and
five are almost identical between the big ring and the small ring. So that leaves him with 15, or say four more than a standard 1x. But don’t forget that in order to get all those 15 gear ratios you got to change a lot between your chain rings, which most of us don’t normally do, do we, to get that kind of sequential system? – No, I mean if you are to use something like Shimano’s synchro
shift, I actually use that, I think it’s great. You’ve got about 15 gears depending on how you actually set it up. Now, Si, I don’t think you should tackle all of those negative questions or comments from Johnny Cab yourself. – Okay. – I think really the question needs to come from, why do we need it anyway? 2x’s great. It’s reliable, it’s bump proof. I think all of the negativity comes around what’s the reason for
it, why do we need it? – I do understand that actually because sometimes choice
is not a good thing. Personally bottom bracket standards drive me absolutely bananas ’cause there’s a gazillion of them and they don’t seem to
be improving matters. So I do understand. And 2x is great, but if you’re going
down the hole wanting a bigger spread of gears
and closer gear ratios you’d run a triple not
a double, wouldn’t you? You’d run by 3x not 2x. But yet most of us don’t. Most of us use 2x and that’s I guess ’cause triples are overkill for most of us. But I don’t think there’s an advantage to be had from running 2x over 3x, but yet, there is an
advantage to be had from running 1x over 2x because you obviously get rid of
your front derailleur, you clean up the whole chain ring area, you get rid of your left hand shifter, you get rid of the cable. There’s one less gear
system to worry about. And don’t forget although SRAM might have cornered the 1x market
on the road of late, I see people have been
running single chain rings for years, decades, haven’t they? – Yeah, I mean that’s right. David Miller and before him Bjarne Riis both of them infamously
used single chain rings on time trial bikes. – Yeah, thanks for
bringing that one up, Jon. David Miller and Bjarne Riis, who both had their chains come
off in inopportune moments during the Tour de France, didn’t they? Costing them dearly. – (laughs) Yeah, so if you
are actually gonna barge a 1x system, make sure you
use a proper chain ring, so a narrow wide one and a chain keeper, chain catcher that kind of thing. – Yeah, or do what’s Sven Nys did. This was super cool. At Cross Vegas a couple years back on his Trek Boone cross bike he had what looked like milled down Shimano Dura-Ace chain ring to act as a super slick chain guard. Then he just had this really minimalist chain key put on there as well. So he had 1x Shimano di2. And didn’t he look pretty
badass whilst he was doing it? – [Jon] Super nice. – Yeah. Understandably, an awful lot of support in the comments for 1x as well. For example Wisam Abbas said
1x groupsets are the future, simple, comparable
speed, easy to maintain, less shifting distraction. He’s not sure if it’s
lighter but he guesses so. It’s not cut and dry
actually I don’t think, depending on gear ratios, but you could definitely make it lighter I think it’s fair to say.
– Yeah, definitely. Eigil Mandrup, they say 1x
is definitely the future and simplicity is the way to go. – Yeah, I like that. Then this one I really
like from Judas Welke. He said 1x’s the future. He actually changed his
bike from 2 x 9 to 1 by 9. But get this, he’s rocking
a 52 tooth chain ring with a close ratio 11 to 23 cassette. But then he qualifies it and says I am German so I can stand
big gears like Jan Ullrich. – [Jon] There we go. There we go.
– Genius. – [Jon] Big Jan, he’s come into the game. – [Simon] He’d have loved 1x, wouldn’t he? – Oh, yeah.
– He pretty much had 1x. Right, now this one, this
sums it up for me, Jon. So D. Eldon commented
that he doesn’t believe that 1x is the future. He thinks it’s a future. And that is definitely
definitely the point. Because I’m not saying that
the front derailleur is dead. It’s definitely not. 2x is brilliant and it’s getting better and better all the time. But 1x is also great. It’s just another option
as we touched on last week when we talked about the
options provided by tech and how it changes the way we ride, I think it’s great to have that. For some people it’s brilliant. And I’ll put my hand up and say I like it. – Yeah, I mean I’ve actually
just started to use it on a cyclocross bike and
I absolutely love it. Off-road I think it’s brilliant, yeah. There’s one less thing to worry about. I mean admittedly I’m not gonna be the guy who changes gear you
know at the front a lot, but there’s one less thing to worry about. On my road bike, as previously mentioned, I use synchro shift. So I think, although I’m not in a hurry, but in the future I’m
pretty sure I will go to 1x on my road bike as well. – Right, now do you make
sure you let us know in the comment section what
you think about this. Are you on the fence like Johnny Cab? Or are you falling on
one side or the other? Let us know why as well
and get ready as well for another hot topic next week. It will be hot actually
if you’re in Adelaide. It’ll be like 40 degrees centigrade. – Hopefully no sunburn. (booming) – It’s time now for the first ever induction onto the GCN Tech Wall of Fame. We asked you for your
nominations last week and boy did you deliver. We had great fun discussing the relative merits of your suggestions. But ultimately we came
to a unanimous decision, and that was the first, the almighty, the Campagnolo quick release. That’s right, the first ever. To find out about its genesis we have to travel all the
way back in time to 1927. Legend has it that Tullio
Campagnolo lost a race on a snowy November mountainside because his fingers were too frozen to undo the wing nuts that were attaching his rear wheel to his bike, that would therefore allow
him to remove the rear wheel, turn it round and
therefore change his gear. So being a man like Tullio Campagnolo, he went to the drawing board and designed himself a solution. The quick release was born. It was patented in 1930. The first, incidentally, of a 135 patents that he filed over the course of his lifetime. So one imagines that this might
not be the only Campagnolo product we get to see on
our Tech Wall of Fame. Now fast forward to the present day, and the modern quick release bears a striking similarity
to that original one. Yes there are various different ones with external versus internal cams, but one like this definitely
bears all those hallmarks. So a worthy, worthy first
invention for our Wall of Fame. Now do make sure you let us know in the comments section what you think should be product number
two on the GCN Tech wall. – Now we’ve been taking a
look around on social media to try and find any
spy shots from the pros of new bits of tech that they’re using. – It’s also known as stalking
in some circles, isn’t it? – Yeah, but don’t tell
the police that stuff. – No, the first thing you
flagged up to me actually, Jon, was from the BMC training camp in Spain. The team seemed to be using the new Giro Vanquish helmet, don’t they? Particularly Greg Van Avermaet there, who’s got a slightly
blinged out gold tinged one. – Yeah, that’s pretty pimp, isn’t it? However, down in Australia the riders are still using the Synth model helmet, which presumably is to
give them a little bit of added ventilation where it’s pretty hot down there right now. – Yeah, good luck again
with that one, Jon. – Ugh. – Now scouring those photos actually, something that Matt first noticed was the cut of the sleeves
on the new Assos jerseys. Now sounds like it might
be a little bit odd, but have a look and you
can actually see that the outside of the sleeve
drops down considerably more than the inside. It was particularly noticeable
at the Aussie Nationals. – But check out this though, Si, Greg appears to be
training on tubular tyres. He’s got a cut off bottle
zip tied under the saddle, and there is, stuffed
in there, a spare tub. – That’s pretty classy. I don’t know many people
that train on tubs. I was thinking about this though, because the dude he’s riding
next to, who I can’t recognise, actually is also riding on tubs. So maybe they’ve got a team car behind, but the reason Greg’s got a spare is ’cause he’s doing extra training. – Ah, yeah, getting in those kilometres.
– I wouldn’t put it past him, sneaky little Greg. Well let’s not be afraid
from stating the obvious, Jon, about that bike. – What do you mean the obvious? – He’s got no rear brake calliper. He’s riding disc brakes. Greg Van Avermaet rides disc brakes. – Yeah, well hold the
front page there mate, because he’s been riding them for a while. I was stalking, sorry I
was doing some research on Greg,
(laughing) and I went back through his Strava page and actually he’s been using those since the 9th of December, at least. – Really? – Because translated, that
means riding on disc brakes. – How do you say it in Flemish? – I don’t even want to attempt because I’ll get killed in the comments. – You should do as well
’cause you lived over there. – I know. Maybe next week. – Did he get any KOMs by
the way, on that ride? – No, he didn’t, no. – Crikey, so disc brakes
are actually slower according to Greg Van Avermaet. – Ooh. – Well you can’t argue with
the Strava stats, mate. – Yeah, Olympic champion,
you can’t argue with that. Also worth mentioning though as well, as well as physique
Movistar have actually got a footbed sponsor so that they can fully customise the shoes to each rider, because obviously the foot is a very important contact point for a cyclist. – Yeah, and actually it’s hard for a team to have all riders using one shoe. Not many teams do it, do they? So yeah, it will be interesting to see how that one pans out. – Now I don’t know about you, Si, but it was always easy to
recognise who was running Vittoria’s Pave tyres, wasn’t it? – It was?
– The green sidewalls, black centre tread. You could spot them a mile off
during the Cobbled classics and particularly in bad weather too. – You still can, presumably. – Yeah, well they’re gone now, mate. – What, gone where? – Well they’ve actually
gone from the range. But don’t worry they’ve been replaced by a model called the Corsa Control, which is going to be available in a 28 millimetre width in clincher and 30 mil in tubulars. – Is it green? – No, it’s all black. – I have a feeling that we might still see some of those black and
green ones in the pro peloton because teams often have bought
those tyres, haven’t they? And they rock ’em out every year at the same time for Paris-Roubaix. For one very good reason
in particular I see is the fact that the teams now know exactly how they’re going
to perform, in particular, how much pressure they lose apparently between the start line at Roubaix, or start line in wherever it is. Compiègne.
– Compiègne, yeah. – And the Arenberg forest. So Roger Hammond actually, he was third place in
the Paris-Roubaix once, told me that one year the
team swapped tyre sponsors. They had to use a different one. The tyre didn’t leak air at the same rate as the Vittoria’s which
meant that his tyres were too hard when he hit Arenberg forest. He said it was an absolute nightmare. Ruined his race. He basically just bounced straight off into the trees at 60 ks an hour. So there you go. I have a feeling that those Vittoria’s might still be knocking around. – [Jon] Nearly went into orbit. – Before we leave new tech for this week we’re gonna go back to eyewear briefly, Ace Eyewear in fact. – Yeah, but not actually cycling eyewear, more like casual you
know every day glasses. – Science glasses, Jon. – No, they’re the ones I use for working in front of a computer. He’s blind now. You won’t be able to see a
thing after wearing those. – No, they don’t make science any easier for me, that’s for sure. – (laughs) But these
glasses from Ace Eyewear, they actually take photos
of up to 8 megapixels and record in HD and
allow you to livestream, get this, to YouTube,
Instagram and Facebook. Now that’s impressive. – That is impressive. 40 minutes of continuous footage that it can record they say. But this bit has really blown me away, they’re on sale for 99 dollars. That is bonkers!
– Yeah, that is cheap. – That seems a lot of tech
for not very much money. – Yeah, I’m interested to see those. – I think we should try
and get you a set, mate. Imagine cruising around the
pits at the Tour Down Under. Jon cam. (booming) – So last week we put
two bikes head to head for the first ever bike of the week. We had Team Sky’s Pinarello Dogma f10 up against Aqua Blue Sports 3T Strada. – Love that bike. – And the results, well, they were pretty close actually. – Go on then, what are they? – Well coming out as a winner with 53 percent of the votes. – Oh, that’s tight. – Yeah, very very close, (drums rolling) was the Pinarello Dogma F10 of Team Sky. (cheering) – Fairplay, a deserved winner
that is a beautiful bike. I mean it doesn’t tick more boxes I guess than that, does it? This week two more bikes
on which you needs to vote to decide your favourite. First of all we have this one. Both of them in fact come from the women’s pro peloton this week. This one well I’m gonna go with the paint job first, Jon, is my favourite colour
scheme in the world. It’s the Canyon SRAM team bike. – Don’t let it influence you though. That’s his favourite. – Well it didn’t work last week, did it? It’s the Canyon CF SLX
Ultimate ridden by the team. It’s got disc brakes, it’s got
SRAM Red e-tap HRD on there, Zipp 404 wheels, Quarq power metre, and I don’t know whether
I’ve already mentioned that paint job. – Yeah, and in the
turquoise-y coloured corner representing Trek drops
is the Trek Emonda, again in a custom coloured paint work and I like that myself personally. – I do actually, now you bring it up, Jon, I love that one as well. – Yeah, and they’ve got a
Dura-Ace 9000 groupset on there. – Can’t argue with that. – And they’ve got some
Bontrager wheels and rim brakes. – There you go then. So that is your choice. You need to now decide
which one is your favourite. Which is the bike of the week? Let us know by voting just up there. (booming) Right, it is time now for the bike vaults. You have been sending in hundreds, literally hundreds and hundreds of bikes. – So many. – It’s been brilliant to see. Jon, do you want to get us started, mate? What have we got first? – Okay first up Darren Polly from Bristol. Look at this. He sent in this Basso with
Campy Bora Ultra wheels, cranks that are horizontal. – [Simon] Bonus points for that, remember everyone.
– Bonus points. Straight away from me super nice. – Super nice from me as well.
(alarm blaring) Whoa!
– Sorry, mate. – ‘Cause he’s got the same
coloured gear housing, gear cable housing sorry, as well as the frame, that’s just a super neat
touch there I think. – Attention to detail, bonus points. – Right. Whoa, a Black Mamba. – [Jon] Devon Sales from
London sent in his Black Mamba. – [Simon] I’m not sure I’d like
to ride a Black Mamba, Jon, but that does look very nice actually. I’ll give him that.
– That is a nice bike. Nice one. – [Simon] I think a Black Mamba
should have black bar tape. Don’t you think?
– Yeah, yeah. – Yeah, so I think that’s a nice from me that one as opposed to a super nice.
– Yeah, nice from me too. – But try with black bar
tape, you might nail it. – Who knows. – Oh! That is so nice! I’m gonna say super nice.
– Fiona Morris from Australia. Fiona Morris from Australia. Yeah, super nice for me too. – Pro cyclocross racer
so this is her team bike. But look at that! She’s also, she points out, she’s got a prototype Dura-Ace 46 tooth chainring on there, MV wheels. Speedvagens I absolutely love. That’s a super nice. – Super nice for me too. Go on, Si, press it.
– I get to press the button. (alarm blaring) – Steady on.
– Sorry. Whoa!
– Here we go. – What are they? – Curveball. Throwing in a curveball.
– With a lizard helmet. – Johnrunfatboyrun10 from
New York has sent in these. They’re Ventum’s, aren’t they? – [Simon] They are, yeah. – [Jon] Oh, look at them. What is that? Is that a dinosaur?
– That is one seriously tricked out bike. It looks like a, maybe it is, it’s a T. rex with a T. rex helmet. I’d like to see him
actually riding that thing with his T. rex helmet. Lovely Rotor cranks, oversized ceramic speed
jockey wheel on there. They are quick bikes, aren’t they? – [Jon] You know what
it’s getting from me? Super nice.
(thudding) – Go on then, mate, press your buzzer. – Hey, aren’t you giving
it too, super nice or? – Super nice! (alarm blaring) – Super nice. Right, here we are. – What, Jon? – The final one, I’ve
chucked in another curveball. – You have indeed. – Simon Head has sent in his Hummingbird, which can only be described as
a monocoque carbon commuter. – [Simon] It’s a folder presumably, is it? – [Jon] With a seat pin
that big, I hope so. – [Simon] Cheeky little mudguards. I’m open to new things, Jon. That’s a super nice from me.
(thudding) – Super nice from me too. Well that’s it. – Right, if you want to submit your photos do so on social media and also
we’ve got an email address. You can send them direct. – Exactly, yeah. It’s there on the screen right now. Send them in. (booming) – Unfortunately, we are nearing the end of the GCN Tech Show for this week, but before we go let’s give you a little bit of insight as to what is coming up on the channel over the next week. – Yeah, on Friday we’re going into the GCN Tech clinic for the first time where we fix a lucky viewer or unlucky, depending on which way you
look at it, their problem. – What are you doing,
Jon, what are you doing? – They’ve got poor shifting
of their front derailleur. – Have they really? And let me guess you’re gonna fix it by telling them to go 1x. – No. – Oh, okay, alright. Sunday is our first
ever GCN Tech unboxing. This is gonna be an absolute bell so make sure you check it out. Unfortunately, I am dressed
as a ninja for some of it so apologies in advance for that. – A ninja?
– Yeah. – Then on Monday I’m gonna be showing you on how to remove rust just
using household products. – And then you gotta hightail it all the way to Australia
to the Tour Down Under which I cannot wait for. Make sure you let us know in the comments if there’s anything
specific that you’d like Jon to check out using Jon cam. And again we need your help
for next week’s show as well. The hot topic: metal versus
carbon, which is better? Oh, yeah, I know there’s a lot of fans on both sides there so go for it. I’m gonna comment on both sides, Jon. I like metal and carbon. – So he’s gonna be on
both sides of the fence. – Absolutely. It’s painful but someone’s gotta do it. – (laughs) Remember to like and share this video with your friends. And do remember to subscribe
to the GCN Tech channel click on the logo right here. – That’s right and if you want
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100 comments on “Are 1x Drivetrains The Future Of Cycling? | The GCN Tech Show Ep. 2

  1. GCN Tech show – half an hour of thinking too much about gear ratios and bicycle componentry – pretty much perfection 😀

    1x Drivetrains. Awesome for commuting, cyclocross, time trials etc. Not sure I'd find it ideal for my road bike though, on a typical road ride, I'll use all my gears in using 52/36 with 11-28, where I need the lowest gear to get up climbs (Cheddar Gorge) and easily hit 45 mph on descents (usually Burrington Combe).

    A 46t chainring with 10-36 cassette would cover a 52/36 11-28 range without increasing the size of gear jumps, however, it would need a new freehub and rear mech. If I dedicated road 46t chainring with 10-36 cassette was produced, I imagine I could be persuaded.

    Of course, the larger range cassette is hardly an issue for Si – but we aren't all blessed with climbing abilities on par with mountain goats XD

  2. On my commuter bike (Old mtb with slicks) I only ever use the big chainring (48T) and 6 out of 8 cogs on the cassette. 1x would suit me fine!

  3. GCN clearly works for the
    industry. 1x is indeed the worst marketing meme ever. USELESS, pointless with no value at all. TOTAL SCAM just to sell more products. this pro mtb cyclist always ride 2x : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyu5nPQT_c0

  4. 1x with etap, than I hop on it. Just one battery, almost no repairs and if I ride big mountains I just change the front ring or the cassette and if I am back in my hillier/flat area I’ll ride the big gears. No restriction by front gear chainrings (53/38 – 50/34). And should be lighter.

  5. In my flat country a 1x would suffice. I've even ridden without a front derailleur for a while with just using 4 of my 8 cogs in the back. In the mountains you need more. Whenever I meet a mountain I change from Tony Martin to Chris Froome and I would be dead in my tracks with a big wheel in front.

  6. I put the footbed of my hiking shoe in my biking shoe and over were my foot problems. You have to support your arches in order not to put too much pressure on the balls.

  7. Second product for the wall of fame? The cambio corsa derraileur ofcourse. Tulio Campagnolo for the win once again 😀

  8. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating for 1x, Lets see how it goes in the pro peleton and if it's dropped by next year we know it's not going to cut it.

  9. People coming up with climbing ratios for 25% + gradients on 1x then forget that there is a downhill after the climb leaving them with a 48 x 10 top end max..? 2x can have a better range, 52-34 worked on my dura-ace setup even, leaving me with a high top end and a lower-than-usual spin gear which just allowed me to get up and down all the hills i needed to while having a close ratio cassette.
    1x is good if you plan to limit your capabilities on the road, it's amazing on my MTB though!

  10. Road Cycling is like F1 is not mtb or cyclocross mud circus here we are on the marginal gains terrain so:
    the future are not 1x drivetrains, because very specialized climbers like froome depend on a very specific cadences so the future is 1 tooth jump, and automatic transmissions controlled by artificial intelligences based on optimal power outputs.

  11. Surely, if 2X is far superior to 1X, then why not use 3X?
    You've got even more combinations, and it definitely exists. I don't know if it does for roadbikes, but it is reasonably common for every-day use bikes in the Netherlands. Yes? No? Rediculous?
    Is a 2X vs 3X discussion very different from a 1X vs 2X one?

  12. Hello, I think that the 1st prize for the wall of fame should go to the invention of the wheel. Not sure the patent still stands

  13. To counter the point about gear overlaps in a 2x system, whilst people would rarely shift perfectly sequentially (and only adjust rear gear unless a significant change was needed), a strong requirement imposed by a 1x system would be bigger jumps between each gear, because you would need a much wider spread in order to accomdate the full range of speeds when limited to a single front ring. If you were riding on consistent terrain however, a 1x would be better as you could have save the benefits, have a more efficient drive train and you wouldn't need the same spread of gears, so the jumps would be smaller. Though for hilly terrain or mountainous, it just wouldn't be viable for the average rider.
    It is also arguably less efficient to run smaller rings (say a 42×10) even for an equivalent gear ratio, purely because the chain line would not run in as smooth of a circle

  14. Great show. I have a triple on the Domane and a 2x on my Focus. Love them both. Have a 2x on the hard tail (for off road) and wish it was a 1x as I have had the front mech full of mud and unable to change. 1x has a place. Now 64 and only had 1x when I started riding.

  15. Funny… I did 1x in the 80's.. but it was 1×6 Dura Ace, and by 90 was doing 1x on my mountain bike too – just machined off the unecessary bits. I like the simplicity. I put all my gearing in excel and looked at the ratio jumps and overlaps between gears and you do lose a little on 1x, but just a little – not as much as "common sense" would indicate. For my road bike, I could even use a std. casette as its quite flat here – but that will have to wait for my next bike.. I'd get the 3T if I could justify that much money for a bike.

  16. ive had a road bike for a year now, did 2500 miles last year, not once used the big ring 😉  so yes 1x sounds ok 🙂

  17. I've got a question for you guys, I need to do a conversion from a 3-8s to a 2-8s. What do I have to do? I have a not really recent shimano sora group (the one with the gearing cables that come out lateraly from the levers) thanks to all the people that will answer me.

  18. Wall of Fame: Gotta be the STI integrated shifters/brake levers. Completely changes the dynamics of shifting while riding.

  19. I agree "a future" meaning manufacturers will go further when it comes to road 1x groupset and also keep innovating the 2x…
    I think 1x is the future because I hate the front derailleur It rarely drops the chain but when it does it's extremely annoying… You can scratch you bottom bracket area on your expensive carbon frame and you can loose a race just like that.. I have been on a 1x for a few months with narrow wide chainring and no drop chain at all anymore and I love that.. and I get higher and lower gear ratio on a 1x compared to my 2x..
    From what I've notice we have 22 gears on a 2x 11speed setup but just 14 different gear ratio really so 1x makes me loose 3 gear ratio over my 2x not a big deal compared to the benefits of an easier, simple, lighter, aero, and no drop chains and bigger range of gears, I'm all for 1x on Road Bikes

  20. Even with 2x gear redundancy, you still have 4 more non redundant gears than a 1x 11.So why are we even considering the 1x for road bikes? Simplicity? Be serious.

  21. Definitely keen on 1x. I converted by MTB a few years back and love the pure simplicity of it. I never drop the chain and cleaning and maintenance is much easier. I'm researching how to convert my road bike. 1×11 for a big lad who doesn't go up hills that quickly? Any ideas?

  22. Living in the mountains, I ride a 50/34 with a 11-32 cassette. I use that entire spread. With just a single chain ring, I would need an 11-47 cassette! No no no! Since you mentioned triples, how long has it been since a high end Shimano groupset was available in a triple? No to 1x! Don't take away our front derailleurs!

  23. A great option, expect to see 1x on new round town shopping bikes. I'll still keep my 2x for the long rides and closer gear spacing.
    Let's see more monocoque/ non standard frames, this is a tech show after all.

  24. Love the 1x on mtb and cycl_cros not on the road sp.on the road in Ardennes and Belgium classics.pat from Belgium 🚲

  25. Hello guys. How are you? I really enjoyed your comments and I'd like to add some on my own.
    Will 1x 44 teeth (as they announced) be able to be competitive and maintain the 3T teammate inside the peloton against those using 53×39 or 55×46 crankset, in a flat stage?
    Will 3T team have the need to change bikes every time that ends a flat session just to be competitive in climb stages against those using 50×34 crankset and 11×32 or 11×34 cassettes?
    I believe no one have any idea of how the bikes and the 3T team themself will behave in all these situations.
    But I'd like to hear from you, guys.
    And I'd like to be awarded with a GCN water bottle and a GCN cycling kit size XL, or size 5 (taglia 5).
    My favorite bike this week is CANYON SRAM. It is a way too beautiful.
    See you guys.

  26. 1X is the 'Rockshox Ruby" of the late-2010s. Should be no surprise both are under the same corporate umbrella.

  27. This might be a niche issue for me, but I am a heavy touring cyclist, and triples dominate the touring scene for a reason. When you have everything but the kitchen sink strapped to your bike, or need to get out of a pickle, a triple is super helpful. I would hope that more cyclists venture into adventure-style riding at some point, and I wouldn't want the production of higher-end triples to sucede.

    That being said, 1x is brilliant for general road-riding, DEFINITELY mountain-biking, and 2x still has it's place in the market for city-riding, recreation, etc.

  28. Much more modern (Like a lot) than Campy Quick Release, but my nomination for the GCNTech Wall of Fame is the BOA System. Rationale:
    – easy
    – even
    – longevity compared to laces and latches
    – weight
    – aero
    – possible future integration

  29. Someone should put a ‘Apparently’ counter on this channel. I’ve heard it about 10 times already… superb channel though, love a bit of bike geekness

  30. Did you guys ever hear of everve bike clothes? It is a German manufacturer. https://www.everve.cc/ Take a closer look at the model calles "me".

  31. I have a cool tech tale for you guys. I don't know if you have ever heard of the Third eye mirrors? Well my grandfather invented it, and its actualy an oversized dental mirror (or at least it was when it was first conceived) taped to the side of the helmet. Grandad was a dentist and an AMAZING climber and would climb the rocky mountains on his bike almost every weekend in summer (those are the huge mountains off the west coast of the USA). Wondering if you guys had ever heard of it across the pond as you would say.

  32. Can you please add reference and links to any items mentioned in the videos so it's easier to find them by searching the channel.
    It's.a nightmare having to come back and look through all the videos to find something to pass on to friend.
    Apart from that, loving the new channel 🙂

  33. I converted my hardtail from SLX 3×10 to Zee 1×10, keeping the SLX cranks. The bike dropped 400g.

    I think the weight savings in 1x drive trains can be significant, but I am still not sure about the closeness of ratios for a given range, with my legs. Granted, for 80% of riders bikes are way over-geared as most people probably use their 50/11t less than once a year.

  34. 1x

    My bike is a 2x however, I never used the the second gear so, I just removed the L-shifter and I’m fine with it as is.

  35. Lover of 1x on Mountain Bikes as a XC rider/racer….not a fan of 1x on road bikes (also prefer calipers brakes on road bikes – whole different subject!).

  36. I love 1x on my mountain bike! It's easy to clean, looks fantastic, and is honestly more fun to ride because gear selection is very simple (up and down). I think commuting bikes and lower end bikes should all be 1x. A lot of people get hung up on derailleurs and shifting, especially low end ones that are hard to tune, which scares them away from biking. In fact I think the only place for 2x should be really high end bikes/race bikes where a skilled rider may choose to have better gear ratios over the simplicity of a 1x setup.

  37. I love it on my Mtn bikes with 1×11 but i just spent 8k on a new Cannondale Super Six Etap, I cant conceive of tossing parts off of it into the bin.

  38. Ooh, that's a tough one! On the one hand the Canyon CF SLX Ultimate sports a beautiful paint scheme, and on the other, the Trek Emonda sports a beautiful girl!
    Such lovely lines! (…the Canyon has)

  39. Yes… Its true .. that PET bottle can use for Jersey Cycling common using for Soccer Jersey, zipp, sport Bag, dacron pillow

  40. taking 1.1 and 2.5 cm of flex burden off of the actual frame should be good for it. The reliability of the suspension hardware is questionable.

  41. Love the idea of 1X BUT if we'd only ever had 1X up to this point in time and you were now shouting about a new idea called 2X?…

  42. Concerning quick releases. . . I hate the type that go too far past the high spot on the cam. . . Leaving a wheel that can be “pulled over” when using horizontal dropouts.

  43. Well I love gears getting into the perfect cadence is what the gears are all about & it's fun! Now if I'm doing a big hill and then a big decent I want both the top end max and the low end minimum. Also I'm in no hurry to keep up with the jones's. I ride a 3X9. No I dont always know what gear I'm in, but I know when I'm in the right gear. And If I want to go touring I dont need a new bike. Which never seems to be factored into your equations since you all own multiple bikes. $400.oo for an electronic motor, I'd just buy a second bike! We are living in different realities. Your guys kits cost more than my second hand Devincie ($480 no tax bought 3 years ago). If you add up the power meters ( Pioneer $1061), helmets (poc$ 221.60), glasses ( Oakly $198.91), gloves $40), shoes ($208.49), shorts($89), Rapha shirts ($132,50), sox ($55). All prices taken at random from an internet first page search picking the high middle end products. But it's nice to see what the elite are using and dream. Ps Whats the cheapest road bike you own and ride? And yes I do enjoy your shows very much.

  44. I love GCN, I started watching when I got into cycling roughly a year and a half ago and you guys not only helped me in every respect of learning to become a better cyclist you were a massive part of my training and buildup for Velo Birmingham back in September. Im a bit of a geek and love the technical side of cycling too and now we have this channel im extremely happy, good job lads 🙂

  45. What's the deal with chain-crossing on 1x? Surely if you spend a lot of time on the bigger cogs at the back then that's the equivalent to chain-crossing for hours on end? Can't be good for the chain or cogs?

  46. I race Draft Legal Triathlon and almost all the courses are fairly flat.There have been many races where I don't even use my small gear in the front!  I would definitely consider 1x because its potentially lighter and more aero dynamic and one less thing to worry about. Maybe start a trend in ITU?

  47. I ride mostly single speed, so I guess I have to be a fan of 1x, it’s headed in the right direction, we now just need to whittle away at the unnecessary number of cogs at the back.😄

  48. Saying 1x is the future is a bit streched for now I think. Let me give you one example : 2013 tour de France mont ventoux stage. About 240 km stage, pretty flat except the last 25km to the top of mt ventoux. A common gear setup for that stage was smth like 53/39 crank with 11/28 cassette. To have the same gear range for a 1×11 you would have to be smth like 53t chainring and a 11/38 cassette. Fine so far but the gear steps would be larger, and for such a stage a rider would struggle to find optimal cadence at some points, and that would be a disadvantage for the 1x system.
    So I think that the 1x would work very good for tt for example anf generally in flat stages when you only go in the big ring only. That s talking road racing.
    In mtb the 1x is more suitable because the changes in terrain happen often and you generally aren't forced to stay in one gear for long.
    Bottom line, the 1x is a good choice in certain conditions. Is it the future? I don't think so. Maybe in a theoretical 1×20 it would 🙂

  49. 1X is a very possible future. it really depends on the rider and terrain. if you want a the most aero bike and you are trying to shave grams, it's something you will have to design into your bike. i don't think 1X will be a big "upgrade" as much as a new design. i believe to capitalize on all it's benefits, the frame manufactures will have to design their bikes around it. it sounds crazy "today", but if you could design a 1X with maybe a 9t – 42t (14 spd??) you could get the general cycling public behind it. this would mean widening the rear triangle to a new hub standard (i know, i know…more "standards"), which would allow those bigger tires (28c to 32c) and shorter chainstay, which would make your wheel base shorter and more sporty.
    i'd love to see someone make an Aero, Disk, 1X specific purpose built bike!

  50. Lol, after a pause of ~13 years of no cycling AT ALL, I now run an old "city bike / randonneur" type bicycle with a 3×7 type gear set and 700x35C's.
    Being in the Netherlands, where there are not that many Col's, I exclusively use the "Big" blade (not even know the size), but never use the other two blade, so 1x would be my choice 🙂

  51. I would like the 1X if the gear ratios for climbing or sprinting were close if not, it may just be an option for me. It seems like, for the mountain bikes at least, the ratios are a bit scattered.

  52. I wish you actually had disputed Jonny's arguments with some evidence. What about chain wear – if you disagree, what is the counter-evidence? Weight savings? Are they there? Examples gentlemen. Why are we not seeing more price options in 1 by systems? Are cassets for 1 by more expensive or not? Gents, dont get me wrong, I think about getting 1 by myself, but your dispute of Jonny's argument wasn't substantiated with facts. Please tell me why he is wrong, and tell me pronto!

  53. What is that stupid questions … And why you do that show , when you don't explain diferences corectlly !!!

  54. 1 x Drive terain. Sram " Force ONLY" is give you 30% more faster change gears . 30% more stability chain .And 30% more torq o start . GCN go to read your homework Amatior

  55. It's worth trying if it's not too expensive or troublesome, My crankset is FSA K-force light so the chain ring isn't right not being the narrow wide type. I don't see any way to convert it.

  56. I think the only actual disadvantage really is the big changes in your cadence. If you're not racing then why not slightly adjust your speed to match the gear you're in? Most of the 2x systems I've used, I've pretty much only ever needed the smaller cog anyway. Depends on how you ride I suppose.

  57. by my calculations, we can create a 1x that would be a great fit for road bikes instead of 2x. it would be a 12 speeds with 50 front ring and 10-34 cassette. a 50×10 is faster than 53×11. 50×34 is equal to 34×30 which is a good gear for climbing. the whole thing with only 2 by 2 gaps. if a brand do that, i'd buy it instantly. 2 by 2 gap is perfect for me. like this we can work on cadence within 10/15 rpms range which is perfectly feasable by any decent rider.

  58. As far as I'm concerned, the 2x is welcome to disappear altogether. Just make the 1×14 a reality. Ca. 38 to 46 narrow-white up front for CX, Gravel, Touring & recreational rides etc. and a 10-52 cassette.
    For racing, something between 48 and 52 front (narrow-wide) and a 10-46 back should cut it.

    Unfortunately, the technological progress on Shimano's part has been stagnated for a while by now. Not so Sram's & Rotor's.

  59. I have a specialized Fatboy 26 inch tires and it came to bikes in earrings my best day was barely six months then I upgraded from to a T42

  60. And that helped a little bit but it still I have type 2 diabetes and bad knees and upgrading to the 12 speed the SRAM iggle NX my one-time daily record is 16 miles now

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