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– Something you always hear
when it comes to E-bikes, and we hear a lot in the EMBN, is that they are motor bikes. And myself, Chris and Steve have got a lot of experience with motor bikes. We know that they’re not. But I do hear that Chris
has found something that might be somewhere in the middle. A bit of a mountain bike, with a motor. He’s running late, as per usual. (motor revving) What’s that noise? Is someone cutting down
trees with a chainsaw? (motor rumbling) (logo thudding) Oh, here he is. Wow, that’s amazing. I can’t hear. It’s got a motor, I’ll give you that. – Pretty similar to what
you’re riding, right? Motor, two wheels? – And it is a bike. – Yeah, I think this is a classic motor, and a mountain bike. Surely this is what they’re
on about in those comments. – That is a dream machine? – [Chris] You like it? – I love it. – Well I got this off
of Facebook Marketplace, 160 pounds from a pretty
dubious guy in Bristol. – That’s not the worst thing I’ve seen on Facebook Marketplace. – But it’s pretty sketchy. Let me run you through it anyway. She’s running 80CC of two-stroke power. I think this motor is
probably straight out of a chainsaw, it’s got zero millimeters
of travel front and rear. This bad boy is rolling on 26 inch wheels. Weighing in at a spritely 25 kilos. Peddling is optional,
it’s all throttle here. You keep the clutch in and it rides just like a normal bike. Range is as much petrol as
you care to chuck in the tank. – Chris, that was a
bargain, I’ll give you that. But you got no chance against this mix of German and Japanese technology. I’m riding the Canyon Spectral:ON, 150 travel in the back, 160 up front, Shimano 250 Watts of power. I’ve got full (mumbles)
groups on this as well. But we do have the same pedals, so that’s one thing. – One thing I forgot to mention, Don, this bike is totally
illegal to ride anywhere asides from private land. And you’re going to piss anyone off within a quarter of a mile. – Quarter of a mile, yeah, is generous. It’s not that loud. (laughing) Yeah, lucky we got permission
at Windhill Bike Park, so quick lap on the red, the
straight to proline, Chris? – I don’t know about that Don. I think we should start things slowly. I think start on the blue maybe. But I think we should
do a sprint race first, me and you, head to head, sprint down this fire road, see who takes a win. Remember, 26 ain’t dead. – Not yet, it ain’t. Let’s see what’s happened
at the end of the day first. – Right, let’s get into it. (upbeat music) Right, Don, are you ready for this head to head sprint? – One second. – What are you doing? – I’m ready, you ready? – Uh, no, I’m not actually. I’ve got to start this thing. I’ve got a clutch on there, I turned the fuel on,
I’ve got to prime it, bump start it and then I’ll
be ready for a bit of action. – Warm it up or not bother? – Nah, should be good to go, I reckon. 80CC versus 250 Watts? – 80CC of Chinese CC’s. On an 80 pound engine
that’s probably more like 40 in reality. – I think you’re going
to be eating your words. – Ready for this one? What octane you running in that bad boy? – I’ve got it on 98, I think. Yeah, with minimum oil in there. So this thing’s going
to be absolutely flying. I probably might not see
you for a cloud of smoke down there actually. – Smoke there will be. (motor revving) – You ready? Ready! – Three, two, one! (motor dies) – Oh, Don, Don! (motor revving) Ready? – Three, two, one! Go! Oh, electric power, I’ve got a jump! Shifting, oh I’m right
in the middle of this. I’m at my limit, and he’s away. Literally smoking me. (bike skids on gravel) I couldn’t see where I was going. – Pretty nasty. – I might have an asthma
attack as well mate, from the smoke pouring out. – Literally smoked you, didn’t I? – Like a kipper. – I’ve been running a
bit more oil in there, it’s part of the plan of
a bit of a smoke screen going on so you can’t actually see. – It does look a bit oily, yeah. – See how far in front I actually am? – Oh dear, well it didn’t
look like you slowed down very well there, Chris. – Yeah, it’s pretty sketchy. But I think off the line, that thing was out in front, wasn’t it? That electric power just
seemed to catapult you off the start line. – Instant torque. – Yeah, this was a bit boggy. But then, 80CC. – Well no need for a limiter
when the whole bike’s illegal, I suppose. – Very true too, Don, I think, when you hit that limiter
it just bogs you down. – Have you run out of
fuel yet on your ride? – No, I’ve got a bit more, loads in the tank, this
thing’ll go for miles. – Well I call, a brake test. – Brake test. (upbeat music) – Neil, tell me a little bit
more about this brake test, I think you’re going to absolutely smash this one.
– Well this should play to my strengths. I’ve got proper tires, I’ve got big Shimano XTR brakes on there. Let’s roll on together, same speed, quick as I can, you can
probably go quicker than that, three, two, one, boom! – Turn the brakes on, see
who stops the furthest. Winner gets a point, right? – Yep.
– Let’s do it. (motor running) – Three, two, one. (tires skidding) (laughing) – I absolutely smashed it there. – You’re like a mile away. – I know, the V-brakes
didn’t hook up too well on the wet rims. You’re a little bit advantage there. – I win for the E-bike. – Point for you. (upbeat music) – Right, we’re one each for tests so far. But one of the best things about E-bikes and bike parks is the amount of laps you can get in a short amount of time. – Well imagine the amount of
runs I can get in on this. We’ve already established this
is way faster than that bike. – Well we’ll have a race then, down the red, back to here. Does that sound good? – I think we should keep
it here more on the blue, I think, I’m not feeling that
confident on this machine. – All right, blue, back to here. I reckon I’ve got you covered
on the downhills on this beast but I’m slightly worried
about the uphills. – Yeah, I think you need
to keep your ears open. I think I’ve got you on
the fire road climbs, which you mentioned. This bike is simply not going
to touch that on the downhills. – The giant Spaulder Sport
Series super special 80CC. – Turbo supercharged machine,
is going to win this one. – Wow, an extra added bonus
point for the maximum speed on the max heart rate. – Max heart rate? I think I’m going to get
that while I’m absolutely going to be crapping
myself on the way down. Not from working hard. Anyway, Don. – Go on, you ready? – Yeah, hold on, better just start this machine. – In three, two, one. (fast-paced music) Oh no, I can hear him behind me. (fast-paced music) (motor sputters off) I wonder, if he’s having technical issues. (motor rumbles) (motor sputters off) (motor revving) It’s going to be close. Oh he’s coming. I’ve got him, I reckon
I’ve got him. (laughs) Got him! You had some technical
issues on that run, Chris. – Yeah, it wasn’t fun, it bogged down. It stalled twice, actually, as I come out the bottom of the hill. I had to bump start it
twice and it stalled again. I think it’s getting a
bit of air in the system or something, I think– – It doesn’t like doing jumps. – No, the jumps, I don’t
think it’s quite designed to be doing the jumps or
the steep burns as well. I think there’s a bit
of fuel issue going on. – The carburetor is not the
biggest one I’ve ever seen. – No, I think it’s like 12mL or something. Pretty big. – Well, we’ll repeat it,
I’ll give you a repeat– – A repeat? – One more chance.
– One more chance? – That was pretty close down there. – It was, wasn’t it? – Three, two, one, go! (fast rock music) All right, I’m on to the climb. Chris is still (mumbles). Well he’s not far behind. I’m going to have to go hard. (fast rock music) That thing stings. – Even though that’s throw, that was still pretty hard work. I had to adjust the 80CC power. – That was quite close. On the steep hill I thought, “I might have just done this.” And then (mutters) and boom. – [Chris] Yeah, in the downhill though, you actually find that bike hooking up amazing in the corners. – [Neil] I tried to block you there and make you ride through
the really rough stuff. – [Chris] I know, I saw that. Good techniques. So let’s look at the data then, Don. What were you on your max speed? – Max speed, 25.7. – Oh, 20.3, so you take the
extra point for that one. – I need it. – Max heart rate? – 175. – Oh, 156. – Yep, I was working harder. – I thought I was digging pretty deep but maybe that 80CC of power was helping up that climb
a bit more than I imagined. Two points for you in the bonus points. And one point for me on the challenge. – Fair enough. – Next one, anyway. Let’s get into it. (upbeat music) – All right, so it’s not all
about going fast on bikes. Although to me it probably is. Sometimes it’s about fun and handling. How good is your bike at handling things? – True, well you know me, Neil, I’m all about the street,
the trials, motorbikes. It’s all my kind of game. I think we should set up a
little trial section first. – Tell me what it is. It’s boggy, I can see that. – Boggy, it’s nasty. And I think you might be
at a bit of an advantage on that bike with those
big tires, loads of grip. – [Neil] How do you know
which lever to pull? – I don’t know, I’m going to be struggling with my clutch, rear brake, three finger, four finger braking technique. – Draw on post? – Nah, I don’t need that stuff. It’s all about drive, lead power. This section, we’ve got a start gate, we’re going to loop
round the big bog hole, we’re going to drop into it. – [Neil] The bog of doom. – Into the slop, yeah it’s pretty boggy in there, it’s going to be nasty. Exit the bog, round the tree, and then I’ve got four
logs for you to hop over and hopefully you’re going
to be putting your foot down because every time you put a foot down, you’re going to lose a point
for all those challenges throughout our day. (motor idling) We’re going to engage
trials gearing on this one. We’re going to drop it down into the middle chain ring, I think. (motor idling) Right, are you ready now? (motor revs) (upbeat music) The clutch control is what it’s about, struggling with the three finger. (upbeat music) Around the bog. Now this off-camber stuff
looks pretty tricky, oh! (Neil laughing) (Chris laughing) Ah, one point. So this is going to be the bump-start in the section technique. Maybe not. (motor starts) Oh yeah! So we’re at one point. Now it’s all about that clutch
control to get out of here. (motor revs) (upbeat music) The four logs. Oh we got a clutch problem, I think. (laughing) Right Neil, the official scores are in and I dropped three points
on my trial section. – So you’re minus one? – Yeah, minus one. But I had a little bit of
a technical issue there. I think the clutch was slipping. – Technical issues all day
long with that lovely machine. – I know, it’s not been good, has it? Best of luck, I want
to see a clean on this. – I’m not good at trials
but I’ll have a go. (bouncy music) – [Chris] Oh flat out, look
at the speed of this man. He is not messing around. Look at this. Oh, so easy. The off-camber. – Now for the tricky bit. (upbeat music) – Oh oh oh oh! That’s a big clean! Nice one! Easy as that! Tony Bolus man. – That’s me, that’s my middle name. – A clean for you on that, that means– – Clean ride (mumbles). – Minus one versus three. – Three, damn. – It was close, not really, but. (Chris laughing) Well done to the good old E-bike. – Smashed it. – Beats the fossil fuel eater, any day. (bouncy music) – It’s been a load of fun today,
here at Windhill Bike Park, but we definitely do
have one clear winner, and I think you know which one that is. – Oh, it’s the E-bike of course. I’ll bet it is more fun
than riding that thing. But well done, you
looked all right on that considering all. – Yeah, it was pretty sketchy at times. But the big question is, are E-bikes motorbikes? – Well in the world of
motorbikes with big exhaust, massive power output, big noisy things, then it’s just worlds apart. It’s not the same thing. It’s got two wheels, that’s about where the comparison ends in the E-bike, really. – Yeah, I think it’s pretty
similar with this bike as well. It’s heavy, it’s loud. It’s pretty nasty to ride off road and the motor is definitely pretty gutless when you start pushing
it up those tech climbs. And one other thing, I had to have special
permission to ride this bike here at Windhill. It’s something that you can’t simply ride out your front door because it is totally illegal, apart from private land. – But it does look beautiful,
I’ll give you that. – Mmm, don’t know about that. – Yeah, E-bikes, you’ve
got to put something in, if you’re not pedaling the thing then you’re not getting any power out and you’re only getting 250 Watts anyways. So comparing them to
motorbikes, hard to do. – Different world.
– And I can ride this, in the U.K. anywhere I ride
a normal mountain bike. Those rules do differ country to country but U.K., ride this pretty much anywhere. – Exactly, we really hope
you’ve enjoyed today’s video. Please let us know what you think about the petrol mountain bike on the trails versus the E-mountain bike. It has been a good day out. Drop us a comments box below. – Absolutely. – Give us a thumbs up
if you’ve enjoyed it. If you want to stick around
and check out another video, check out “E-moto versus E-bike,” that was a good day out as well. And don’t forget to hit the globe in the middle of the screen
to subscribe to EMBN. – Chris, I am curious though,
I’ve got to have a go. – You got you have a
go, Don, let’s see it.

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