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Are Shorter Races The Future Of Professional Cycling? | The GCN Show Ep. 282

Are Shorter Races The Future Of Professional Cycling? | The GCN Show Ep. 282

– (foreign language) GCN Show in Alta Badia in the Dolomites. – Welcome to the GCN Show,
brought to you by Wiggle. – This week, ASO
announces a griding system for stage 17 of the Tour de France which is a 65 kilometer mountainous route. – And so we are discussing
if this is a glimpse into the future of pro racing. – We certainly are. Zip has some new wheels. – They do. There might be new ways to detect doping. – [Lasty] Look and SRM
have a new power meter. – And there’s the welcome return of the tenuous celebrity cycling link. (dramatic music) – This week in the world of cycling we learnt that bears, along with a certain enjoyment of
(bleep) in the woods, also quite like to devour
some healthy snacks. A family of bears in Lake Tahoe broke into Quickstep
floors accommodation there and nicked most of what
was in their fridge. – [Lasty] That’s a bit greedy. I would have thought they just
needed the bear necessities. Badum tish. – [Dan] First of the day. – We also learnt in cycling this week that not only will we
never be as good at cycling as Peter Sagan is, we’re
never gonna be as strong as he is either. – No. We also learnt this week in cycling that for the first time in its history the Tour de France is going
to introduce a griding system to one of its mass start stages. – Yeah, it certainly is. So this story was initially
picked up by Het Nieuwsblad and then the ever informed
Inner Ring on Twitter was there to expand our
knowledge of what’s going on and explain the exact rules. So stage 17 is 65 kilometers long but features three mountain passes and starts right at the foot
of the Col de Peyresourde. – And the yellow jersey
will be given permission to start right at the very front. There will then be offset rows with the rest of the
riders just behind him in the top 20 of GC and subsequently very quickly after that four separate groups,
the composition of which will also be governed
by an individual rider’s placing in the overall GC. – Now we are gonna
discuss exactly how this is going to affect this years race in our Racing News section later in the show, but did it get us thinking. Ah, is this the future of pro cycling, not necessarily the griding
but the shorter distances? – Shorter distances, yeah. Well there’s absolutely no
doubt that the general trend in grand tours has been for shorter stage and it’s really interesting prospect and I think that really was started by the organizer of the
of the Vuelta Espagna. They put plenty of short
explosive stages in the results of which was explosive racing wasn’t it, right from the very start, and I think it’s been a great thing for spectators on the roadside and also back at home especially. – Definitely, and then
if you think back to there was a fantastic stage
of the 2011 Tour de France just 109 kilometers long that
included three mountain passes and finished on Alpe D’Huez. Yeah, on that day
Contador attacked early on and while it wasn’t enough for him to take the overall victory it did tempt race leader at the time Thomas Voeckler into chasing
and subsequently blowing up which turned the overall on its head. That was just a fantastic day of racing. – It was. There’s no denying that that was a very exciting stage to watch on TV and there’s some very
pretty good counter examples of short explosive stages too for the example the Criterium du Dauphine which started on Sunday
has three back to back mountain days on Friday
Saturday and Sunday coming and all of them are less
than 135 kilometers in length and we’ve just had two round
of the Hammer series too. That is as you know a three day format. A chase on the last day, a
sprint the day before that, and starting with a climb. All those stages are
less than two hours long and it means we get action
right from the very start. – But on the other hand,
we’ve got the monuments, the five biggest and most historic one day races in our sport. They aren’t particularly
long but their length hasn’t actually changed
that much in recent years and they still never fail to
produce really exciting racing. – That is true. So are shorter races the way forward? Maybe not for the monuments,
you might be right there Lasty but I do think that for stage
racing they probably are. I mean this is 2018,
attention spans worldwide are at an all-time low and yet the desire for constant action and excitement are therefore
at an all-time high. So I think that if cycling really wants to grow its audience base,
shorter stages in grand tours are the way forward and I
think they will achieve that. I mean who isn’t looking forward to stage 17 of the Tour this year? I said I can’t wait. – Dan, I think you might upset
a few of the traditionalists. – Oh god, now I’ve got no doubt that I will be upsetting
a few people, sorry. – One thing that we can
do is look at other sports and see what they’ve done, with the sport of cricket
being a great example. – Yeah, don’t turn off. – Yeah yeah, if you don’t
know anything about cricket, don’t worry, we’ll be
brief because we do know that attention spans are getting shorter. Anyway, cricket used to be
in the form of test matches which are analogous to
stage races in cycling. So they take place over a number of days. There are long periods of
not very much happening and different cycling rains stopped play. – Yeah, and sometimes
didn’t even get a winner at the end of the test matches
because of rain et cetera and then along came
Twenty20, which is a format whereby the winner is
decided over the course of a maximum of two and half hours. What did the traditionalists
think about Twenty20? They hated it, of course they did. Where’s it at now? Well it is by far the most popular and lucrative side of cricket. And the examples don’t stop there. So tennis recently
experimented with a short form format over in Madrid
where the top 16 players in the world, men and
women, competed for the win over the course of just four hours. Or then there was the
golf sixes recently too. That is a PGA European Tour tournament with two man national
teams, whereby they play for the win over the
course of just six holes. – Yeah, so we saw a
lot of this information in an article by friend of the channel Andrew Croker on And in the article Andrew argues that perhaps sports could be
selling itself short. So you have examples like the NFL which is increasingly struggling
to hold viewer’s attention for the full three hours
that the game might take. Andrew also went on to say that perhaps permission is a factor, i.e. it’s getting increasingly harder to get permission from your partner to spend more than two hours either doing sport or watching a sport. – That is very true. Isn’t it? Trying to get permission to get out on your bike for three hours can be awful. My thing with that is that I
just say it’s part of my job. It’s kind of true, I’m very
lucky from that perspective. Regardless, it does kind of
feel that cycling has been stuck in the dark ages for long time, with little or nothing
changing in the sport. Until now, that is. – But what about the
other side of the coin, because I mean I think cycling has a lot going for it as it is. Take the grand tours for example. These are incredible
feats of human endurance. And if you were to run with shorter stages you might cut the distance from say, I think around 3500
kilometers over three weeks down to 2000 kilometers
or about 1200 miles over three weeks. And you take it from an
awesome feat of human endurance to something that I think realistically many if not most cyclists can achieve. Obviously you won’t be
doing it quite as fast as the professional cyclists do, but just gonna lose a bit
of its aura, or its shine. – Yeah, I would tend to agree. There’s always the fact that we probably wouldn’t have quite such
an exciting final week of the Geo recently
without those longer stages and then as you mentioned the monuments, kind of fine as they are, I can’t imagine Milan San Remo,
Roubaix, Flanders et cetera anything other than six to seven hours, I love them exactly the way they are. – Going back to the grand tours though. Part of the, I guess, job if you like of a grand tour is to showcase the culture that it’s taking place in. So if you go for shorter
stages you can showcase less of the country by bike. Less of the country on
TV, and the kilometers that may have taken place
on some of the longer transitional stages are just
gonna be done on the team bus. – Yeah, that’s very true. It’s not an easy subject is it, quite complicated in fact
deciding what the future of pro cycling might be,
but as the saying goes, you don’t know until you’ve tried. At least ASO are trying
something this year with that 65 kilometer griding experiment. We’ll just see how it goes
in a couple of weeks time, or a few weeks times,
however I think I know which stage this year most TV
viewers will be tuning in for. And it’s that one. – Yeah, stage 17, definitely. Now it’s time for you to have your say. We’ve got a poll on screen
now where you can let us know if you think that this
is the future of cycling and we’d also love for you
to expand your thoughts down in the comments, we do
read all of your comments and we’re gonna reply
to as many as we can. – Yeah, we will do indeed. Also, let us know if
you require permission from your partner to watch the GCN show. (bugle) – It’s now time for cycling shorts. – We shall start cycling
shorts this week with a new cycling jersey just
for the sheer fun of it. This is the jersey that
Team Sky’ll be using for the upcoming Tour de France and if you’re wondering why
there’s a whale on the back well the reason is that this
is the start of their campaign whereby they’re hoping
to completely eliminate the use of single use plastics within the team by the year 2020. – And it prompted team ride
Luke Rowe to come up with a pun that is possibly so bad
that even we here at GCN would not resort to using it. – Definitely. This is what he said. “I thought I only represent
my nation Team Whales “at the commonwealth games?” And with a very nice use
of emojis at the end. – Yeah, emojis very much on point there. But it is certainly a very
admirable aim from Team Sky and food for thought for all of us really. – Yeah, we could all do
with cutting down our use of single use plastics, couldn’t we? Also admirable is the fact
that Paris-Roubaix organizers are going to name a sector of Pavé after the late Michael Goolaerts who tragically lost his life
after the race this year where he suffered a cardiac arrest. It’s a three kilometer sector that runs from Viesly to Briastre and that is a very touching tribute. – Certainly, I think it’s a really really nice touch from the organizers. Something Dan, that I’ve
been reading this week was an abstract for an article
in Frontiers in Physiology. So, scientific journal, obviously, probably one of Dan’s favorites as well. And what this article is gonna set out is that there is perhaps a cheaper and possibly more
efficient way of catching and tracking dopers than the current biological testing that takes place. – Yeah, they’re basically
claiming that the way that drug testers have been
going about their business for the last few decades
has been completely wrong. Obviously traditionally and at the moment the way they try to catch cheaters is by looking for certain
chemical compounds in a rider’s system that
are against the rules. However what they say is
that it would be much better to track performance through
things such as power meters. – Yes, so what they argue is that by knowing a rider’s maximal power under any given circumstance, you can actually really quite accurately track whether a performance is out of line or might have been influenced by something that maybe the rider
shouldn’t have been doing. – This study though claims that you should be doing it by looking at
a rider’s performance data. – Yeah, so what it says is that a rider’s critical power curves, so
that’s the amount of power that you as a cyclist can put out for any given amount of time, is
particularly sensitive to ergogenic aids and other interventions. – Yeah, so they claim that they know how a rider’s critical
power curve might react given if they’ve taken
performance enhancing drugs. If that is true, well you’d imagine it is a pretty good way to combat doping and possibly cheaper than a
full drugs testing program too. – Certainly, although
presumably to actually get the accurate critical power curve, you’ve got to get all of the riders so a Peleton of world tour riders into a lab that is where
the testing takes place under the same conditions,
you can’t just rely on me going to my local climb and saying, “Hey, here’s my 20 minute
functional threshold.” And I think the other thing
that may raise concerns amongst the riders is,
as cyclists we’ve all been there and basically
forgotten to calibrate our power meters and thought, “Wow, I’m in excellent form today.” – I’ve always had concerns
with the measuring of doping through performance measured
by current power meters. In a lab, fine, outside in the open road, most power meters are only
accurate to plus or minus one and half percent at the very best but they can drift quite significantly if you don’t keep them calibrated. And I’m not just talking
about compensation for temperature change on
the ride, a lot of which, a lot of power meters
do that themselves now. I’m talking more about the changes of slope et cetera to power. Now of course if things go extremely wrong and one of the strain gauges breaks and all of a sudden
you’re doing 2000 watts instead of 500, that’s very obvious, but sometimes things can happen where the power meter’s
off by four, five percent, less obvious, and I wonder
if that would raise eyebrows amongst the researchers and
testers and for no reason. – Personally, I would have
claimed the four or five percent drift and said I
was just having a great day. My best sprint power’s over 1700 watts and I still claim it as a great day not as a calibration error. – It’s not actually 1700 watts, that was an example of the
power meter getting it wrong. Right, moving on, I’m sure
that you’ll all be aware of what everesting is
by now, if you’re not, it’s basically where you
head to a local climb and ride up and down that same local climb enough times that you’ve
climbed the equivalent of Everest, which sounds
hard enough to me. Some people though want
to make it a bit harder. One of those is Berritxu,
who’s over on Strava, who didn’t think once was
hard enough, or even twice. He has everested three
times, the triple Everest. – [Lasty] Yeah, that sounds absolutely horrific to be honest. But anyway, like Dan said,
he did it on the same stretch of tarmac so that’s over 27,000 meters of vertical height gain, 567.81 kilometers all completed on the same
5 and a half kilometer stretch of road. – No! You are joke, the same
five and half kilometer section of road? – The same five and half
kilometer section of road? – Guys. Well you definitely wouldn’t
find me ever doing that. Road under you. Anyway, that is quite the video. – Like this video if you
think Dan should do that. 20,000 likes and it’ll happen. – No, no. Anyway, moving on. We’d like to offer up huge congratulations from us here at GCN to Natalie Wilson. Natalie is living with EDS
which is Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome which amongst other things
means that her joints can become very easily dislocated and it also severely
affects her internal organs. Remarkable then, that she has just become the first disabled female to
circumnavigate Great Britain, which she’s done so on a tricycle. – [Lasty] What an amazing achievement. Natalie start, began her journey at the end of February and arrived back at her start point in
Brighton just last week. And she was doing it to
raise awareness of EDS so if you’d like to find out more about Natalie’s record and also about EDS head over to – Yeah, well done to you Natalie. She really had to deal with some horrific weather conditions in that
time here in the UK too. Right, it’s the moment
you’ve all been waiting for, it’s time to bring back our
tenuous celebrity cycling link because apparently, in
London at the weekend Benedict Cumberbatch
saved a delivery rider from being beaten up. – Yeah, so Cumberbatch was in an Uber with his wife and saw a delivery cyclist who was being attacked by four people. Apparently he got out and with
the help of the Uber driver managed to fight off the attackers, perhaps saving the cyclist
from serious injury. – Wow. Imagine that. Imagine if you are that delivery cyclist lying on the ground, you look up and you see Sherlock Holmes
coming to the rescue. – I reckon it’d be scarier
if you were the attacker. You’d be like. – Yeah. – Bit flustered. – Right, to finish
cycling shorts this week, you might be wondering where Emma Pooley has been for the past few weeks, apart from doing some
of her stellar videos at the Tour d’Italia. Since then she has been
at Alta Badia in Italy and here’s an update from her. – Ciao from Alta Badia in the Dolomites. It’s my first time back in this area since I think 2012 when I
raced the Turo de Trantino. Anyway, I’ve really
enjoyed being out here. I don’t understand why Si
and Dan didn’t want to come. Apparently they were busy with
race coverage or something? Anyway, I feel extremely lucky because I’ve been staying at the wonderful hotel Melodia del Bosco which is where the guys stayed last year. It’s been wonderful. I’ve also met loads of GCN
fans; it’s been pretty exciting. Got to make some really
cool videos as well. I think my favorite was how to finally win the Strava segment you’ve been targeting. I’ve also done how to
climb out of the saddle, an experiment with tire pressure, some more course
diversity training videos, and what was the other one, oh yeah, an experiment with clip-on aero bars where I finally got to
use my GCN skin suit. While I’m out here I thought
I’d take a cheeky look at some of the climbs in
the Maratona Dolomite. So I’ve been up the
Pordoi, the Campolongo, the Gardena, the Falzarego,
and they are beautiful. Also, to be honest,
it’s a pretty good thing that I got to do some cycling because the food here is just amazing. So I need to do quite a lot of riding to burn off all those calories. I can’t wait to come
back for the Maratona, and watch out for that
content on the channel. – GCN Wiggle of Fortune
time now, your chance to win one of four Wiggle voucher prizes between 25 pounds and 150 pounds. Last week’s contestant was Neil Orr, he won the bottom prize
unfortunately for Neil, 25 pounds of Wiggle vouchers, but with that he managed to get an Altura airstream jersey
which is pretty cool. This week’s contestant Lasty? – Matt Dettman from the USA. – Okay, what you’re after Matt Dettman, is prize one, which you can see here, here, here, and here,
and that is 150 pounds worth of Wiggle vouchers,
which you can spend on anything you want over
on their online shop. So, without further ado,
you press the button Lasty, I’ll give you the countdown. – Count me down Dan. – Three, two, one. And we’re off. What’s it going to be today? – I think it’s probably sorted Dan, I’m optimistic for prize one. – As you’ve noticed, I haven’t
mentioned the other prize on the board, because it’s round here, I’m not moving it. Is it gonna be prize one? No, no, ah no! – That is the closet yet. – Just like Neil Orr, you
have won 25 pounds worth of Wiggle vouchers, like
Neil, if you could write in and let us know what you spend them on, that would be very much appreciated. And if you would like to be in with a chance of being
next week’s contestant, you know what you’ve got to do, you’ll find a link in
the description below, follow that, enter your details, and we’ll be selecting somebody next week. – Yeah, good luck. – Still haven’t got a beer. – Tech of the week now,
and Zip has announced, they’ve updated their
popular NSW line of wheels. So it’s the 303s, the 404s, and the 808s. They have changed the internal rim width, which means that it’s now 19 millimeters so it will work better
and be more aerodynamic with the wider tires so widely used now. 25 millimeters is apparently
the optimum tire width to this new range. They’ve also done a big update. So carbon tubeless wheels are actually quite hard to come by. They’re still really quite uncommon and these wheels are fully carbon and compatible with
tubeless or tube tires, whichever you’d prefer. – Yeah, good news for Zip fans. There’s also a new power
meter on the market. Yet another one. This one comes from the
French manufacturer Look but it’s been done in
conjunction with kind of the original power meter
production people, SRM. And to the best of our
knowledge it’s the first time that SRM have deviated away
from a crank based power meter. So these pedals use two pairs
of opposing strain gauge which you can find at
either end of the axel to give a claimed
accuracy of plus or minus one and a half percent, which is up there with the best on the market, isn’t it, whether that’s pedal based, crank based, or anywhere else based. – Yeah, definitely, and
Look is also moving away from an accelerometer to measure cadence so it measures max sensors and magnets which they say is a more
accurate way of doing this and despite all the tech the
stack height of the pedal actually isn’t changed that much which means that you’re not
going to ground your pedals in corners if you’re doing crits. – Yeah, very true. They don’t add much weight either, just 25 grams extra on each side, even with all those electronics. And then you have to say that all the power based
pedal meters out there, it probably does look
the neatest, doesn’t it? Comes in at 800 euros if you just opt for a single sided pedal
which is the right side, or 1400 euros if you go
for the dual sided version. – And if you buy the
right side of the pedal you of course get a left pedal too, it just doesn’t do anything. – Yeah, you get a left pedal. Yeah, doesn’t measure anything. – Exciting news for Swift users now. Much like they did
three years ago with the Richmond World Championships,
Swift has partnered up with the Innsbruck World
Championships this year so you will be able to ride the Innsbruck World
Championship course on Swift. – You will be able to,
but a word of warning, that course is. – It’s quite hard. – It’s brutal. It’s not quite hard, it’s brutal. 24 kilometers long, but
there’s an 8 kilometer climb in each and every lap. I think I’ll stick to, this seems like one for Emma Pooley to me. I’m going to stick to the
Richmond Worlds course, which was, just undulating
without being mountainous. – Is there an 8 kilometer descent? – Well, you’d imagine so, yeah, so a lap. – Racing news now, and
for all of the results and happenings from the
last week in bike racing make sure you check out the
GCN cycling race news show. We’re gonna start the
racing news section with something slightly different ’cause we’re gonna discuss
the potential impact of the 65 kilometer stage on
this year’s Tour de France. – We are. So to remind you from
earlier in this show, on that stage, the yellow
jersey will start at the front in the group of the top 20 GC riders and there’ll be four subsequent groups determined by their position
on the general classification. So it’s going to be really interesting. On top of that, we do understand there will be no meaningful
time gaps by the way between those groups, but on top of that they have moved the start of the stage to outside Bagnères-de-Luchon
and to the foot of the Col de Peyresourdes
so there will be no neutralized zone,
it’ll be just bang, go, like a cyclist race. It could be the first time
in pro road cycling history where the ability to
clip in quickly could be a significant advantage. – It certainly could. That just sounds incredibly painful. Another thing that it could
change is team strategies in the run up to the race. So if you imagine Movistar
with their possibly four pronged attack, Alejandro
Valverde, Mikel Landon, Nairo Quintana, Marc
Soler, all in the top 10, they could feasibly have a huge advantage over Team Sky, who maybe
will only have Chris Froome. – Very true. Well Team Sky are
amongst a couple of teams who have over recent
years experimented with giving their domestics a day off almost. So giving them an easier
day on a mountain day so that they’re fresher the following day to do more work and you
wonder if that strategy might now, well, come to a finish. – I imagine, possibly some
of the sprinters must be breaking it, because the
mountain stages are already dangerous for them, but
on the shorter stages not only will they
potentially be at risk of kind of falling outside of the time cut, on this stage they’re gonna
start already dropped. – They will, won’t they,
they’ll be right at the back. Normally the sprinters would try to give themselves some slipping room wouldn’t they, by starting near the front, but they won’t be able to that day. Very interesting indeed. Okay, moving on to other matters, Ben O’Connor who was one of
the sensations of the recent Turo de Italia has just signed a contract extension with Team Dimension Data. And you would imagine that
his salary expectation must have skyrocketed
after he was named as GCN’s rider of the week on
last week’s racing news show. And you’d sort of think that we would get some sort of commission for that. – We were talking about five
percent before the show. – Yeah, we’d be happy
with five percent Ben, thank you very much indeed. Other news, Jack Haig, who
was of course incredible for Mitchelton Scott
throughout the Tour d’Italia, will be their GC leader at
the upcoming Tour de Swiss. He has been a GC leader
for the team in the past but you’ve got to say
that the Tour de Swiss is step up for him because well first, it is a huge race in terms
of it’s ranking under the UCI but also this year
there are whole hosts of Tour de France favorites taking part. – It’s a deserved step up for Jack Haig. He had a fantastic Euro. – He did. – One rider who may be taking the start of the Tour de France, yet to be confirmed is of course Team Sky’s Eagan Bernal, and he has been putting
the hours in in Columbia training seven hours, 5000
vertical meters, 193 kilometers. – Wow. Traditionalist, probably not
somebody who’s looking forward to pro cycling when it
gets much shorter stages or at least he’ll adapt his training. Another rider who we’re
expecting to shortly confirm his participation at
this year’s Tour de France is the runner-up at the
Tour d’Italia, Tom Dumoulin. Now we don’t know as yet
whether he’ll be targeting just stage wins, just
stage wins, or indeed the overall classification, but regardless I’ve very happy in the start line. I think that’s great for the race. – Yeah, it certainly is. Now the Dirty Kansas 200
mile gravel race took place in Kansas over the weekend. You might be wondering
exactly how hard is it and what does it take to win it. Well, women’s winner
and world class cycler cross-rider Kaitie Keough
had quite the story. – She did, she posted a lengthy report on her Instagram after the event. Standout parts of that report for me and probably most people that read it were the facts that to win
she was sick in her mouth three times, or at least
on her way to the win, that was not a requirement of winning, but also she, well she peed in her chamois so that she didn’t lose
contact with the front group that she was in, through to the first feed station of the day. Worked though, didn’t it? She won. Right then. What do you do, Lasty, if
you win the Hammer Series, what do you do with your trophy? – I think you hammer it
into the ground, don’t you? – Well, you do if you’re Quickstep. Let’s take a look at
them doing exactly that. (music) – That didn’t quite go as planned, did it. – I don’t know. Well, I don’t know what the plan was, but no, I don’t think
it did go as planned. – It’s time for a couple of giveaways and we’ve got some very very
exciting ones this week. – We have, indeed. We are going to start
with the Tour de France Les Cadets Juniors Ride, Les
Cadets Juniors Ride basically. This is open to riders
aged between 15 and 18 and wow, let me tell you
what an opportunity this is, because you will get to
ride part of the final stage of the Tour de France, up
and down the Champs Elysee, which is quite frankly the
best prize for a cycling fan of 15 to 18 years old,
or any age, isn’t it? – I’d be amazed, I would
have loved to have done that. – Yeah, that would be
absolutely incredible. – So before you do
enter, please please read all the terms and conditions
which will be on the giveaway page which we’ll link
down in the description below ’cause there are a few extra things with it being a bike ride. But yeah, if you’re entering, good luck. – Yes, good luck indeed. And we know that unfortunately
many of you watching this will not be young enough to enter for that particular giveaway so we’ve got two more for you. One of which is VIP, the
other one, well it’s VVIP. So let’s start with the
latter, the VVIP prize is a trip down including a private flight to stage 14 of the Tour de France. The VIP package is to the last stage, stage 21 of the Tour de France. In both of those instances
though you will also get a ride in the official Tour de France car. How amazing is that? I’m actually considering
handing my notice in at GCN so that I can enter this giveaway. – Yeah, that is utterly,
another utterly amazing prize. If you do want to enter, we will of course have all the full terms and conditions on the giveaway page, sort
of let you know everything that you might need to know about this one because again, there’s travel involved so there are a few extra things. The link is down in the description. – Yeah, good luck to all of you who enter. – And you entered last
week’s Topeak giveaway, you may well be wondering if you’ve won. We’ll have the 10 very lucky winners from all around the world
names on screen now. – It’s time now for another
update on the GCN cycling club. Last week we mentioned to
you that we had appointed a brand new GCN cycling
club community president and as promised this is the moment that we told them of their honor. – Hey Boris, thanks for joining. And thanks for some of your
amazing Instagram posts as well. We’ve definitely really
really enjoyed those. So what we’d like to do
is, if it’s okay with you, we would like to make
you the GCN cycling club community president for
the first three months. – What an honor. – Thanks. So what that’s gonna
mean, is we’ll send you a bunch more founder’s socks, 001 socks. – I didn’t see blue and white ones. – Yeah, we’ll get you set up with the GCN club president t-shirt. Bunch of GCN ASO cycling kit as well. – Okay. – We want you to be really involved for the next quarter on helping us shape the direction of the club
and just make it even better for more cyclists around the world. – Sounds perfect to me. – Are you happy to accept? – I’m very happy to accept. I’m speechless. – Awesome. Yeah, Boris was certainly
very happy to get involved and as club president we kind of thought he needed to look the part so we sent him a bit of kit and here’s
a video he put together and posted on Instagram of the unboxing of the GCN official
president’s kit supply. Swag. – If only we were capable of
producing videos that good. Be helpful for us wouldn’t it. We spotted Boris because he was producing some pretty cool content over on Instagram before that post that you just saw, but this role will not
just be confined to Boris in the future and we will be appointing another GCN cycling
club community president at some point, so if
that role is something that you might want to do, make sure that as a member
you head over to our website the GCN cycling club, and get involved. – Yeah, definitely, we
really love checking out your GCNCC photos which you
can hashtag using #GCNCC. We do check them all out. Let us know your views too as well, what do you want from the club? Make sure you tell us that. More news very soon. – Hack forward slash
bodge of the week now. The hashtag to remind you is #GCNhack, use that on Twitter or Instagram or send the photo in as
a message on Facebook and we should see it there. Starting things off for us
this week is Brooklynbeard who had a new bike day but
didn’t check all his bolts and so subsequently
had to use an innertube to tie a saddle onto his seat
post by the looks of things. – [Lasty] That’s, how would that work? – [Dan] I can’t imagine
it’s particularly stable, so it’s a definite bodge, either way. – [Lasty] Yeah, bodge. Okay, The Fanclub Guy, on Twitter. “Is your cable housing too short? “Just use two.” It’s two metal ferrules meeting quite early on in the cable there. Yeah, bodge. – [Dan] Bodge again. – [Lasty] Certified bodge. We haven’t had a hack yet. – Well, no, no. I doubt we’re going to
have one here either. This is from Jesse van Hulst. “Delivering parcels on the bicycle “in Nijmegen in the Netherlands. “This one didn’t fit in
any of our cargo bikes “so I strapped it on my backpack.” You’ve got to be careful with low bridges. Well that on your back, that’s huge. – [Lasty] Yeah, imagine if
you touched a bit too much front brake, you’re so front heavy you don’t stand a chance, do you? Bodge. – [Dan] No, but that might hit the ground and prop you up so that
you don’t hit the ground. – [Lasty] Just be stuck,
floating in the air. – But still, it is kind of a bodge because you know it’s just
propped in the backpack there. – Yep. Surely this one’s gonna be a hack. – [Dan] Yes it is! – Oh, David Gordan! @gordannortho on Twitter
sent in the GCN hack, “When there’s nowhere to rest your bike “on your coffee stop.” Now Dan, we checked this out, didn’t we? ‘Cause we’ve seen the bike-bike lean. But we think this might be a first. – Well we did top 8 ways to lean your bike a couple of years ago
and we had like you said the bike-bike lean. First time we’ve ever seen
the bike-bike-bike lean. If any of you out there can do
the bike-bike-bike-bike lean try it out at home and let us know. Maybe try it on grass just in case. – [Lasty] David, you’re
an innovator I think. Hack. – Somebody’s going to send in
the bike-bike-bike-bike lean this time next week. – What about the
bike-bike-bike-bike-bike lean? – Well it could always
go one step further. – Yeah. – One step at a time, Lasty. – Just don’t damage your
bikes, it’s not worth it. Caption of the week, and last
week’s photo was this one of Tom Dumoulin and a fan in a pig suit. – Yes, and I’m gonna
give a special mention before we tell you who’s won the GCN Camelbak water bottle this week. This one did make me chuckle
from Joel Klingenberg. “Roses are red. “The rosa is pink. “Pigs are also pink. “Poems are hard. “Bacon.” Did have a little chuckle at that. But this week’s winner is Ed
Markey who wrote in saying, “The moment Tom Dumoulin realizes he would swine-d up in second.” – They’re both very good,
it was very difficult. – There were a lot of good ones last week. In between all of the
comments about Chris Froome and the Tour D’Italia
and what a tiger slam is which we should get onto later on. This week’s photo comes from Alta Badia where as we mentioned Emma Pooley is busy at points doing some
filming for us over there. At other points she’s at
the top of an enormous bike. I’ll get you started. Emma, proving once and for all that descending on your
top tube is very dangerous. Don’t try this at home! – That’s a solid caption. I very much look forward to reading your much better efforts. Don’t forget you can win a
GCN Camelbak water bottle. – Yeah, get stuck into the comments and we’ll choose our
favorite this time next week. Before we let you know what’s
coming up on the channel over the next seven days a quick look back at some of our favorite
comments from the previous seven starting with this one
on the last week’s show. As we mentioned we didn’t
know what the tiger slam was. Hundreds of comments came in explaining exactly what the tiger slam is. Including this one from David Shields, which is probably the funniest. “Hey guys, you know your love
of cycling has gone too far “when you don’t know about anything else “going on in the world
unless it’s cycling related!” Yeah, apparently this
relates to Tiger Woods holding all four of the Grand Slams in golf at the same time. – Yeah, I should really
take the fall for that. It’s probably my sheltered life. Also, I didn’t realize that it
was anything to do with golf. – No. Well I had no idea. – Yeah. – I only know about cycling. – Underneath How to Ride a Loaded Bike, which is one of Si’s videos, Michael Burgess commented, “So, will Dan be doing
the companion video, Riding a Bike Loaded?” – Yeah, coming to you soon on GCN Tech. Underneath last week’s live stream. – No, last year’s live stream. – Last year’s. Yeah, very important to point out. So last week of course, we
did the Hammer Limburg live and Jay Shockey chose the wrong video. Firstly he said, “I thought
Viviani was with Quickstep?” As he saw him in Team Sky colors. And then next up, “This is awesome and
you guys make it better! “Keep up the great work!” Yeah, that was underneath
last year’s Hammer Limburg so unfortunately Jay, you
watched the wrong one. – Glad you enjoyed it though. And then underneath Blake’s FTP test Real Cider Reviews, so that’s
a channel worth checking out, commented, “I feel sorry for that bike “when Blake was wrestling it. “Does FTP equal fiber tearing point?” – Yeah. Well, he’s a beast. Well he’s a beast
compared to Si, isn’t he. Or us. – Yeah, definitely compared to us. – Right then, coming up
on the channel this week on Wednesday we have got some bike packing nutritional tips coming up for you. On Thursday we are going
to show you how to turn your standard road bike into a gravel bike and on Friday we’re back as
ever with ask GCN anything. – On Saturday we’ve got
a two video day for you. We’ve got oat cuisine with Emma. – Oat cuisine? Did you make that up? – I’m afraid I didn’t. But I’m very proud of having said it. And also we’re going to
have Catherine’s pro bike from the dirty Kansas. – Great. And Sunday, sorry, Monday,
we’re on to the race news show. Tuesday we’re back in the
set here for the GCN Show. But a quick reminder that along with all of our normal content,
great normal content, said that wrong, we’ll
also have daily highlights coming from the Criterium du
Dauphine on our Facebook page so make sure you stay tuned for them. We’re getting them up as quickly as we can after each and every stage. – And these are not
actually only in English. So we’ve got the English version and we’re also going to have a
Spanish language version too. So we shall link the latest one of those down in the description and
we’ll also link you to the page. – Yeah. And not just any Spanish speaker. Legend of cycling Juan Antonio Fleischer, winner of of Tour de France stages, and Het Nieuwsblad and a
whole host of other big races. So if you’re Spanish speaking, or you just don’t like
the sound of our voices head over to that one. Almost to the end of the
show and you know what that means, at least this week after a couple of weeks of
absence, it is Extreme Corner which this week comes from
an Extreme Corner favorite, Brandon Seminoke. (rock music) Great use of lighting. – See, we’d look cooler with red lights. – No. I don’t think we would. But we can give it a go
sometime Lasty, you never know. Right, that is almost
it for this week’s show but we have got a very
quick update for you from the GCN shop. – We certainly do. So expanding our range of fan kit we’ve our new black fan kit jersey. So it’s made of the same
great Italian fabric, it’s breathable, at an
affordable price point, and we’ll link it down
in the description below. – Yeah, if you fancy owning
one of these GCN tops head over to that link and you’ll be able to
find it there on our shop. And that really is it
for this week’s show. If you haven’t already
done so give us a thumbs up down below if you’ve enjoyed
the GCN Show this time around and if you would like some more content make sure you watch this
video with Si, is FTP dead? You can find it just down here. (engine)

100 comments on “Are Shorter Races The Future Of Professional Cycling? | The GCN Show Ep. 282

  1. Caption: Bike shop owner: “I do apologise Emma… it seems I ordered you a 500” frame… instead of the 50” you requested… no refunds.”

  2. Wow! Natalie! You are an inspiration! I've never hear of your affliction and hope one finds a cure. My best to you and yours. Jim

  3. Hi guys, I can't enter the contest from the USA. Can you assist? Thanks, love your videos, good to see you Lasty.

  4. I think that the Hammer Series is exceptional. The short format, team work of the small teams and points race system all make for wide open, fast and competitive racing. I usually 'watch' cycling races while working on my lap top and usually just listening to the race commentary in the back ground until the last few Km to go. With the Hammer Series I watch all three stages from the start to the finish. I find it riveting and am hoping for more Hammer Races in 2019

  5. Caption contest: Emma again extols the virtues of shorter cranks, using a somewhat exaggerated model.

  6. Shorter stages definitely would be a good thing but just as a piece of the larger story. I don’t know if this is lost with people who didn’t know what the Tiger Slam was but take it from the PGA where some of the most exciting and fun to watch holes are the “reachable” par 4s. Short can really bring the drama!

  7. I’m not sure shorter stages are the future. Here and there they are very exciting, but the giro was an amazing race without relying on aggressively short stages. I think what needs to change is the coverage! Where is a live-ish one hour recap show? We can get the excitement of a five hour stage or a 6 hour monument in an hour and that is far easier to watch (especially for three weeks straight 3 times a summer!)

  8. That black kit is sick! As for the short stage 17, I'm just gonna come right out and say it. The TDF is flirting with shorter stages to cope with the fact that all the doping has been almost halted and professional cycling. With all the super Juice gone, nobody wants to see a huge Peloton of cyclist languishing to get to the end of 150 mile stage.

  9. Grid system – right – why not let Froome start 2 minutes ahead of the pack – maybe then he would not have to depend on his Salbutamol…..

  10. @Global Cycling Network your cameras are out of focus for some shows now. Can you please fix it? The content is pristine as always 😉

  11. Caption: Emma says, 'I'm glad that I had them build this up with 650b wheels. 700c would make it look too tall.'

  12. I think short stages in the long races is a great way of mixing it up. The Classics and such though are awesome because they're exactly that. Just because iPads and social media are turning us into zombies I don't think we should panic. You never know we may just end up with a smarter audience. I watch the GCN show on my lunch break at work so no permission required. I do need permission however when a day pass is needed for a long bike ride.

  13. Also infuriates me why cyclist have to throw away there bidons and gels Into the country side, even when there along side there team cars! If they have to throw them better to throw them to the fans for souvenirs then into Verges woods fields etc even seen em throw them off bridges onto motorways below! They need to be fined if not drop in litter zones!
    Single uses plastic 👎

  14. Caption: The moment you realize your European bike builder has trouble converting from imperial to metric.

  15. A very rare photo of her majesty Emma of the noble house Targarean, first of her name, protector of the realm, riding Cyclogon the Black Dread into battle

  16. In my early days at about mile 45, when the snap was gone and the sprint was KA-PUT, I felt that the races were definitely to long! Really, cycling is a demanding sport forcing one to put in the hours or watch the group ride off as one hit their limit due to the lack of miles. Would shorter races change the sport, sure. Would it make for better viewing, maybe!

  17. Related to critical power for catching cheating.. No, But Jonathan Vaughters did previously calculate a V02 max for lance based of his weight climbing speed, weight of bike long before Lance was busted that showed v02 in the high 80's I recall. with a power meter file, the slope could just be adjusted for the riders to no that they were running 30 or 40 below, or more, but the back calculations for actual race performance. But analysing actual performance achieved and working the calculation back would be a good indicator. the UCI weight the bike and rider, you can see the exact gradient of a climb, you can calculate drag and effeciency of the bike. But at the end of the day, any legal substance abused under a TUE by the team's doctor could produce a benefit. The game now seems to be not increasing a natural occurring hormone, but shutting of the counter hormone. It seems that if there is a way to find a loop hole, to do something, then some see this as a way to take an advantage .. a marginal gain per'se. Is this in the spirit of "Sport" ? it's now so complicated from a standpoint to define cheating, that it is putting people off. The true definition of killing the golden goose. So in summary get JW on the GCN show for an interview and ask him about how to calculate who has what V02 max and his thoughts on it all.

  18. Caption: "We at GCN are very grateful for the offer but sorry Conor Dunne, we weren't able to review your bike"

  19. I have been a long-time follower of the channel, since the old days when the boys rode relatively modest bikes and every moment of the show was not a plug by a partner. I enjoy this new format less, although I do understand that this is how things work and that’s ok. One thing I cannot stand, however, is the double standard when it comes to how the channel constantly, intentionally, purposefully tries to disregard the fact that Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins and Lizzie Armitstead (not sure if I spelled the name right), all British riders, were at the center of the doping scandals over the last years, and every time there is a mention of doping, it is still Lance Armstrong’s photo. Yes, he was the biggest cheat, but enough of this special babycaring attitude towards team Sky and British riders in general. Be consistent. Be delicate or not, that’s up to you, but please be consistent

  20. Caption: Confusion at GCN was evident after presenters were asked to develop new E-bike ideas that would appeal to the largest portion of their audience.

  21. Will at least one of you ride in l’Etape du Tour this year? I’d like to see Si’s gravel abilities on top of Plateau des Glières!

  22. I'm curious what the perspective is from the riders (or former). A little less time in the rain is surely welcome, but is 2-3h flat out, nowhere to hide, racing harder or easier on the body over a season? Or is it already flat out and we just don't see it?

  23. shorter stages, yes yes yes, the transition. and spinter stages are mega dull, explosive shorter stages are the way forward.

  24. Short stages will add variety to a grand tour.. great idea, and as I mentioned in my comment on the Tech Channel, having a Prologue or TTT where all riders get the same equipment would also add the 20-20 Cricket spectator appeal. Wouldn’t like to see it used any more than once in a tour though..

  25. Totally agree! Shorter stage races in terms of kilometers and hours, would help fan engagement. When watching cycling on TV, the vast majorly of race coverage begins hours after the race has begun…and still, the TV event last for 4+ hours. Many of the flatter stages, are often carbon copies, meaning fairly predictable: A break away; 5 or 6 hours of wondering when the peloton is going to inevitably catch the break away, or if they will stay away; catching the remnants of the break away in the last kilometers; and a bunch sprint lasting a minute or so, resulting in 95% of the excitement of the whole affair. Do we need 6 or 7 hours to get to that conclusion? I would say the organizers to shoot for 4 hour stages, as average, that could always be broadcast in total on TV. Probably not an opinion shared by the traditionalists, but might attract more viewership and sponsorship on television. Still, the best athletes will win!

  26. Permission? I’ve got two kids so it is pretty awkward getting out on the bike. But the secret is to marry another cyclist and get your kids cycling too!

  27. The Race Across America hardly ever has a sprint finish. Maybe if they reduced the distance to something like 100 miles the end of the race would be more exciting.

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