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Bikes Vs Driverless Cars | The GCN Show Ep. 217

Bikes Vs Driverless Cars | The GCN Show Ep. 217

– From Nizza Monferrato, Italy. Welcome to the GCN Show. – From the National Championships
in Bogotá, Colombia. Welcome to the GCN Show. – From the World Cup Track Cycling in
Carson, California. Welcome to the GCN Show. (laughter) (intense music) – Welcome to the GCN Show. – On this week’s show, we discuss why cyclists might be the
downfall of driverless cars, and we talk through some
of the most exciting racing from this season so far. – And why, in the future, you
may well have to pay to watch from the roadside. But, we have all of our usual
regulars as well for you, right here, right now, including miniature bike tech, by the way. – Cars? Without drivers? (fast-beat music) Driverless cars. We’re on the cusp of possibly a new era in transport, but we, that’s
cyclists, not us here at GCN, are apparently holding it back. – Yeah, that’s right. Nissan made the headlines last week with their first publicised test of a driverless car in the UK, but the headlines were not all positive. The car made a seemingly
very close pass of a cyclist, despite there being another lane in which for it to make the pass. The car basically seems to ignore the fact that the bike is there, despite
the fact it’s tracking it with five radars, four
lasers, and 12 cameras. Now the website bikebiz have reported that the CEO of Nissan is
already on record as saying, “One of the biggest problems
is people with bicycles. “The car is confused by cyclists
because from time to time “they behave like pedestrians,
and from time to time “they behave like cars.” – Yeah, and he is also the guy that actually blames cyclists
as possibly being the reason why driverless car
technology will be delayed. The question is, though, is
that delay actually a good thing or a bad thing? As in, do we really want
that kind of technology on the roads? We’ve done a little bit of digging around, and we found a government
white paper which is called, I can’t remember it, Social and Behavioural Questions Associated with Automated
Vehicles, a Literature Review, which, if we’re honest, was even less interesting than it sounds, but it is pretty comprehensive about it. So they checked out
50,000 research papers, but out of those 50,000,
just 15 relate to bikes, which is a bit of a problem in itself, given that it suggests
that we’re pretty much being left out of the
conversation, but nevertheless, in those 15, there were
two really relevant points. – Yeah, firstly, AVs,
automated vehicles, they say, have the potential to improve
the confidence of cyclists and pedestrians. And furthermore, actually encourage cyclists
to ride their bikes and people to walk. – That’s a good thing. – Providing that the AV
is adequately programmed. – Yeah, you mean when
they’re not being buzzed or potentially run over
by driverless cars. – Well, that is one of the key features of automated vehicles, is safety. – Well, when they’re on the
road with other driverless cars. – Yeah. – Another thing that
made me chuckle was this. Traffic flow in urban areas
could be negatively affected by pedestrians’ and
cyclists’ behaviour change linked to the introduction of AVs. – So you mean, basically,
cyclists wouldn’t need to stop at junctions, because you could guarantee that the automated vehicle
would stop and give way, rather than run you over? – Can you imagine taking that risk? – I cannot imagine taking
that risk, actually, rather you than me, but nevertheless. – It’s painful if you’re
going for a record, isn’t it, through a junction? – Yeah, it would, you know, if you got used to them,
maybe it would be part of what you did. Hopefully not. Anyway, seriously though, what
do you guys actually think? Automated vehicles? – I think automated vehicles
as a technology is interesting, but I don’t think it’s quite
ready yet to share the road with anything else aside
from automated vehicles, like on a motorway.
– Yeah. – Clearly, the technology, the AI, the artificial intelligence,
isn’t right yet, and it’s not safe enough, is it? – No, the one thing is, I
don’t really want it, either, but the one thing I was thinking, was that big, heavy, goods vehicles, the kind that are causing
problem in big cities, if they were not controlled by humans, so there was no way for
human error to influence it, and they’re covered in radars
and laser beams and cameras, maybe that would actually
improve cyclist safety, if HTVs were controlled. – I tell you what, though, what I wouldn’t ever do as a cyclist. I wouldn’t go inside a vehicle anyway, but if one didn’t have a driver in it, I definitely wouldn’t
go up the inside of it. – (chuckles) Well, maybe you could. Anyway, let us know what you all think about driverless cars. Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? And would you be scared
to take to the roads? Make sure you let us know
in the comment section. – Please do. (energetic music) – Are you ready? It is time for hack, forwardslash, forwardslash, bodge. – Of the week
– Of the week. – We kick off with Matt Nowell who said, “I came home to this
bike stand being built. “It’s held up by a car jack
and a wedged tea towel. “It’s got to be a GCN hack.” – [Simon] Yeah, genius, a car jack. What a brilliant way. – What a space saver. If you could just get
the tension just right, but one tweak too much, it’s straight through to
the flat above, isn’t it? – How much, though, does a car jack cost? Is it gonna be cheaper than
buying a designated bike stand? – Hm, that’s a good point actually. – I think you can get car
jacks around 15 pounds. – Oh, maybe. – Just remember to replace the one that you just nicked
from your car, otherwise. – [Men] Yeah. – [Simon] Bodge? – A bodge, yeah.
– Yeah, for sure, a bodge. – [Simon] Right, this one I really like. From Mike Hare on Twitter,
who’s put his very inexpensive aero seatpost tail light mount. I think that looks quite neat, actually. – [Matt] It does look neat. – [Simon] ‘Cause aero seatposts
can be a pain in the bum. – [Matt] For mounting rear lights. – [Dan] I think he’s done
a cracking job there. – [Simon] Yeah, I like that. – [Dan] You would have
to bodge your saddle bag onto the front there, like we saw in last
week’s hacks and bodges. – [Matt] Or you could
always cut off a bottle. – [Simon] Yeah, you’d
have to then go thirsty. – Old school, old school.
– So many options. – Well, next up we have this. – Oh, sorry, can we say hack? Definitely a hack. – [Matt] This is from Brandon Burger. I always get the best names, don’t I? Brandon Burger, what a crackin’ name. BurgerBrandon9, I’ve made
a bike stand from a stool and a broom. Bit of poetry there as well. As a chain keeper. Look at that! – [Simon] I love the fact
that the fork dropouts fit perfectly onto the
footrest of that stool. – That’s really quite
something, well done. – [Simon] Good for,
but a bit of a bodge. – [Dan] Yeah, definitely bodgey. – [Dan] M_ochhh has made
these rather nice little rubber mounts for his speed plate cleats, which make them walkable. – [Matt] Like cafe covers, aren’t they? – [Dan] That’s a hack. – [Simon] This one, I think
we can safely say, is a bodge, and it’s a very fine one at that. Conor McKenna has just
ran into this, saying, “You see some strange things
working at a bike shop, “but this is a new low,
using an old inner tube “as a brake pad.” – [Matt] That is up there with the nails holding a brake pad on
from a few weeks back. – It’s inner tube. I mean, although maybe,
though, to somebody, imagine, like, you
know, what if it worked? – No. – Well, there we go. Yeah, that’s just a chain keeper. (Simon groans) – Thanks, Nick, for sending
the chain keeper in. I’ve put it in it. We’ve not had a chain keeper
for quite a few weeks, I don’t think. That does look like a good one by homemade chain keeper standards. – [Simon] Maybe because there’s
only so many chain keepers you can ever see in the world. – [Dan] Naw, keep ’em coming. Keep ’em coming. – Oh, this is right up my alley. It’s a coffee-based
hack, forwardslash bodge. This is from mankeewill. Small font, that’s why I’m straining here. DIY coffee cup holder for
those spring morning commutes. (men exclaim) – [Dan] Do you know what? I’d use that. – [Simon] I think it’s
manique, not mankee. – [Matt] The font’s too small. – [Simon] He needs to add
some insulation, I think. Probably next time. ‘Cause otherwise, if you ride
fast, you’d get a cold coffee. – [Matt] And a little bit
of tape over the spout. Otherwise it squirts out. – [Simon] Imagine riding down cobbles. – [Matt] You’ll own the place. – [Dan] Greg Lightfoot has used
the used the correct hashtag GCNhack for this. My mate Gary has four wheel holders on the roof of his car
made from old steel forks, #rustynail. I’m gonna say hack for that. That’s a very useful rig. – [Simon] What’s it for? – [Dan] Well, it’s to put spare wheels on, because he’s got the fork dropout style. – [Simon] Ah, so it’s like
adorning the roof of his car, looks like. – [Matt] This looks like a
graveyard for old bikes to me. Looks a bit dark. – [Simon] Yeah, can I say bodge? Sorry, Greg. – [Dan] Oh no, hack. – [Matt] Bodge. – [Dan] We’ll argue about this off air. – Yeah.
– Bodge. – Anyway, if you would like to continue sending us your hacks and bodges, we’d very much appreciate it if you’d use the #GCNhack
hashtag on Twitter or Instagram. We will find it this time next week. – And make sure your slash
is in the right place. – It’s now time for Cycling Shorts. – One of the best things about
our sport is that it’s free to watch the pros from
the side of the road, doing their thing. So, how would you feel if you were charged for the privilege? – Ooof. – Well, Het Nieuwsblad did a
survey of 22 race organisers, and over half said they were considering doing that very thing. – Yeah, well, one of them is
actually doing it this year. So, the Colorado Classic,
which debuts in August, will be charging people to
watch the start and finish of the stages that are in Denver. You have to pay between 25 and
45 dollars for the privilege. Although, there will be a music
and beer festival thrown in for good measure, so, you know. – I’d pay that for a beer festival alone. – Yeah, fully. – Thanks very much, dude. – I’m not entirely sure
what to think about this, because I think you are right,
Matt, it’s one of the things that separates cycling from
other professional sports, that you can watch it for free. But you know what, I think I’d be prepared to pay a few euros to stand
on the side of the road on something like the Kwaremont
at the Tour of Flanders, as long as I got a free
Kwaremont beer with it. – [Matt] Right, of course. – And in all seriousness,
the pros put on a fantastic and entertaining show,
and I don’t see any harm in charging that, especially if it means the
longtime security of bike races. – Yeah, that’s the clinch
point, I think, isn’t it? – I must say, I do tend
to agree with that, Dan, but we’d love to hear what you have to say on this rather thorny topic. Now, we’ve got a survey
you can click on there, and you can actually expand
upon your views as well. – Okay, get your diaries out everyone, a brand new event is coming in summer 2018 from the organiser of the Haute Route. It is gonna be a three day
event, three day Haute Route, in beautiful Norway. – [Matt] Oooh, Norway,
that’s quite good, isn’t it? – Thinking of Haute Routes, John, how is your training coming on? – [John] Oh, not too bad. I mean, week five of Sweet Spot Base. – Sweet Spot Base. – That sounds hard. – I’ll tell you what, he’s
looking lean, isn’t he? – I don’t know. Sweet Spot Base isn’t my
favourite type of base. – It’s one of my favourite
source of sweet spots. – Is it, yeah? – Mmm, yeah. – All right, once again
in the news this week were both Team Sky and British Cycling. The controversy of the Jiffy
bag continues to rumble on, and apparent lack of record
keeping from Dr. Freeman has raised even more questions. Some calls to the press are now saying that David Brailsford’s position
at Team Sky is untenable. No doubt this is not the last
we’ve heard from this story. – Now, we’ll end Cycling
Shorts this week with a story about cycling shorts or
rather a cycling shorts ban. Now, this is true although
I didn’t believe it when I first read it. A cycling club in our home
city has banned skintight Lycra from its ranks. So, no Lycra cycling shorts on the Weekend Wobblers
club run, I’m afraid. – Possibly a good idea. – Yeah, I was gonna say, Weekend Wobblers. – Yeah. (energetic music) – OPEN Cycles launched a
pretty ground-breaking bike last year, called the
UP, and it allowed you to use both mountain bike wheels
and tyres, size 27.5 ones, and road bike wheels and
tyres in the same frame, giving you a pretty versatile,
epic, enduro road bike. This year, they’ve announced another one, and this time called it the U.P.P.E.R., which is pretty much the
same, except lighter. Super light and fat, 870
grammes for size medium. – [Matt] It’s very light. – That is not bad at all. Interestingly, for technos
at least, Gérard Vroomen, who’s one of the founders of Cervélo, now one of the bosses at OPEN, has been quite open in his
dislike of 12mm through axles and flat mount brakes,
both of which are present on this new model, the U.P.P.E.R. However, he has responded
by saying that basically, he just doesn’t like set standards where they’re not particularly necessary, which is pretty hard to argue with. – Yeah, I’ll agree with that. – Yeah, and I think the result, in terms of the way this
bike looks, is pretty cool. – Hmm, well, sticking with
standards for a few more moments, a few more pros have been
seen sporting disc brakes over the weekend. So, at Strade Bianche, you had
the Cannondale Drapac pair of Toms Skujins and Alex Howes on them, and at Paris-Nice, we saw
Tony Martin of Katusha-Alpecin sporting the eTap HRD
System on his Canyon Aeroad. – Yeah, and the Quick-Step Floors guys, they are back on discs, aren’t they? Marcel Kittel using them again. Yeah, so, very interesting
indeed, seeing it being adopted. And to be fair, given the
conditions of Paris-Nice, I’d choose disc brakes. – [Dan] Well, Tony Martin
went on Twitter to say that he thought they were great, and that the braking was fantastic. – There we go. – It’s a touchy subject. – It is. – Right, last bit of
tech, this is very cool. Canyon have launched a
new bike range for kids. – Whoa. – Oh yeah, super trick kids’ bikes. They look amazing, actually. My particular favourite
is the smallest one, which has got a bigger
front wheel to back wheel to help it roll over bumps
better and two automatic gears. That’s right, SRAM Automatix. I didn’t even know they
existed, but they do. Automatic gears, no shifter, no nothing. – Are they too small for
us to take for a road test? – I think that one might be,
but they’ve got a bigger one that you could be like a BMX. – I just like the idea of automatic gears. – Yeah. – And a big front wheel
and a small back wheel. – Oh, they do automatic
gears for big bikes. – They’ve got flat pedals, too. – Figures, just right in my alley. (energetic music) Time now for Caption of the Week. Now, last week’s photo was
of a rather unfortunate Caleb Ewan losing a race to Marcel Kittel, actually a stage of the Abu Dhabi Tour, but for the first time ever,
we’re gonna award two prizes, because the entries are
of such a high standard, there are two, yes, two winners. Each winning one of these remarkable GCN Camelbak red bidons. Do you wanna read the winners? – Yeah, the first winner
is Niels Heldens, who said, caption, “Caleb Ewan doing
his most accurate reenactment “of the Oscars.” – He did that. Very, very intelligent answer, that one. – And secondly, Sean McNaughtan. He said, caption, “Ewan
some, ew-lose some.” – [Simon] That’s just
at our level. (laughter) – It’s very good. All right, this week’s photo
is, I think, from Paris-Nice. This is one of the Astana
riders at the side of the road with what looks like a bit
of red plastic or a red rag. Matt, you gonna get started
with it, or is it you, Simon? – You go first, Si. – Really?
– Yeah. – Rock, paper, scissors? All right. (clears throat) I don’t care if I’m gonna get dropped. I will not ride another
metre on a dirty bike. – Leave your better captions
in the comment section down below. – You’re not getting
a bottle no way, mate. – Oh, come on.
– No. – You can give away two again next week. – Nope. – Can’t we give away two again next week? – Probably not. – Only one, don’t get excited. – No. Although, they are available, aren’t they? In the shop. – Oh, yeah, yeah, they’re back in the GCN – So, I can buy one is what you’re saying? – You can buy one, yeah. – That’s the only way
you’re gonna get one, mate. – You probably could
save on the post, though. Just give us the money,
and I’ll give you one. (energetic music) – What a cracking
weekend of racing we had. Saturday marked Strade Bianche,
which was the first round of the UCI Women’s WorldTour. In the closing stages, we
had a slight group of five, they being Lizzie Deignan,
last year’s winner. We also had Elisa Longo
Borghini of Wiggle-High5. Last year’s runner-up,
Kasia Niewiadoma, and Orica-Scott pairing of Katrin Garfoot and also Annemiek van Vleuten. However, on the final descent, with a couple of k’s remaining, they started looking at each other, and that allowed Lucinda
Brand and also Shara Gillow to sail past. – Yeah, setting up possibly
the greatest final kilometre you could ever wish for. We had five riders,
pretty much neck and neck as they crested that final climb. Ultimately, it was Elisa
Longo Borghini, who took the win just from a very disappointed Niewiadoma, who was second the second year running, and then Lizzie Deignan was third. – Now, the men’s race was marred by several rather large crashes. It turned out to be,
though, an absolute epic. You gotta have a slug fest. I mean, you could just tell it by looking on the riders’
faces, their body language, and then throwing rain into the mix, well, it just made it amazingly epic. Anyway, in the closing stages of the race, and a lead group forming and containing a Grand Tour contender, Tom Dumoulin of Team Sunweb, former road champion Michał
Kwiatkowski of Team Sky. Also in the mix was former
world cyclo-cross champion Zdeněk Štybar as well as Greg
Van Avermaet, Olympic champion and also from Belgium,
Tim Wellens of Lotto. – Yeah, quite a good group, really. – Not bad, really, yeah,
not much selection. – There were attacks
left, right, and centre, but ultimately, Michał
Kwiatkowski of Team Sky managed to get a small gap
which he held to the finish in Siena, taking his
second victory at the race. Another absolutely
brilliant race to watch. I do like Strade Bianche, I must admit. – Stealth manoeuvre, wasn’t it? – Yeah, you know what, I
couldn’t help but notice, crackin’ ride by Scott Thwaites. – [Dan] Yeah. – But not the greatest ride by a Brit ever in Strade Bianche. – No, definitely not. There’ve been two Brits
to have come top 10 in the Strade Bianche. – Thwaites? – Scott Thwaites, he’s
got 10th, and me, ninth. – Ninth?
– 2009. – Fist bump. – I did notice, Dan, that
you lost your KOM there, unfortunately, in Strade Bianche. – Ah, I thought I had. In fact, I put it on Twitter
and said, should I flag this, ’cause Sean De Bie of
Lotto-Soudal took it, and Sean wrote back. – [Simon] Just say it, smashed it. – [Dan] Yeah, he did smash it. Just a bit suspicious. And he wrote back to me,
saying, yeah, flag it. I was in the teamcar when I pulled out. – That’s genius. Fair play, Dan. – Yeah. Have you got the KOM on your last climb? – No, I was still top 10. – Still top 10. – Yeah, some way behind Greg Van Avermaet, although I was quicker
than Kwiatkowski this year. – Greg Van Avermaet is a
tough man to beat on Strava. Even I couldn’t do it. – [Dan] You couldn’t, could you? – I’ve not even tried. Now, equally as exciting were
the first two opening stages of Paris-Nice. – Oh, yeah. – Windswept, rain-swept,
cold-swept, all of the swepts. Absolutely epic. Now, the first stage was actually taken by Arnaud Demare of France, who out-sprinted Julian
Alaphilippe in a very close finish, in fact. In stage two, which was won in
equally atrocious conditions by Sonny Colbrelli,
arguably the biggest victory of his career. Now, the other two big stories of the opening two stages was stage two. Richie Porte lost 14 minutes, and with it any chance of the overall victory, and the previous stage
with a disqualification of Romain Bardet of France,
one of the previous favourites. He held onto a teamcar. – Yeah, he did issue an
apology later on, didn’t he? – Fair enough, but. – Yeah, I doubt he would
have issued an apology had he not been caught for
holding onto his team car at high speeds, but nonetheless,
he took it on the chin, and said he would never do it again. – Haven’t you got the time? – Oh. – It’s time for GCN’s Wattage Bazooka. (energetic music) – Well, we kick off with the
pro Wattage Bazooka show. We’ve loads of contenders
for the prize this week. Arnaud Démare. – [Simon] Yeah. – [Dan] Sonny Cobrelli. – [Simon] Bazooka. – [Dan] The AG2R teamcar. – [Simon] Oh, that was seriously
a contender, a contender. – But the award this week goes to… – Elisa Longo Borghini. – [Simon] Oh, well deserved. – [Dan] For unleashing a Wattage
Bazooka up that final climb up to the Piazza del Campo in
Siena to take a first victory at the Strade Bianche. Very, very well-deserved. – She’s gonna be chuffed to bits. The victory at Strade Bianche
and a Wattage Bazooka. – And the jersey for leading
the UCI Women’s WorldTour. – Of course.
– It was a great week. – Anybody from Wiggle-High5,
please get in contact. We’ll send you a T-shirt. – Yeah, make sure it goes to
Elisa Longo Borghini, though. – Yeah, definitely. – Well, okay, it’s GCN
viewer Wattage Bazooka time, and this one, it’s almost
like a pro Wattage Bazooka all rolled into one. – Stats are nuts, mate. – Yeah, now to Chris Tolley,
congratulations to you. You got second place in
your first ever Cat 1 race. Despite not being the team leader, you unleashed a Wattage
Bazooka by all accounts. 18 hundred watts of power
to take second place. It looks pretty impressive. – [Matt] You could feel
the tremors on both sides of the states, apparently. – [Dan] Yeah. – [Simon] I’m not surprised. If you’d left a little bit later to go, the victory would have been yours. – [Matt] Yeah, sure. – [Dan] 13 hundred watts for 15 seconds. That was quite impressive. – [Matt] No doubt, it’s very impressive. – [Simon] I can only dream. – If you’ve got any
suggestions for Wattage Bazooka over the next seven days,
make sure you let us know by using social media and #wattagebazooka. Could have been the first
place winner from that race that got it this week, but
they weren’t nominated. – They didn’t contact, did they? – No. In Tweet of the Week this
week, Dom has chosen one Tweet and two Instagram posts. I don’t know what about that. First up, we’re gonna start
with this one, the Tweet, which is from Tom Dumoulin. “I raced Strade Bianche twice
now, and I can tell you, “in real life it’s even more
beautiful than it looks on TV “or on pictures.” – [Matt] This was before Saturday. – Yeah. Tim De Waele, the legendary photographer, has done his best for you, Tom. It looks this beautiful. – [Matt] I think he’s captured
the beauty perfectly there, hasn’t he? – [Dan] Yeah, pretty much. – [Simon] It’s epic. – [Matt] There’s your nemesis there. He nicked your Strava then got in the car? – No, no, he got in the
car, then nicked my Strava. – Oh. (laughter) – Make sure you get it right. – Oh, okay. – The next one is from Instagram. This is from Kasia Niewiadoma. She’s just put this photo,
which incidentally was taken by Tim De Waele as well, and
that is a spectacular photo. – [Simon] That is good. – [Dan] Elisa Longo Borghini
with Kasia Niewiadoma, Lucinda Brand, and Lizzie
Deignan in the background. – I don’t do this very often. Shall we just give that photo
just two seconds of silence? – No, I think we should
click on the next one. – Oh, cheers. All right, this is from
a certain Lance Armstrong from Austin in Texas, USA. Lance Armstrong, “That
moment when you realise “that the US Postal Service
wants 100 million plus a dollar “and nine cents from you.” Whatever your views on
Mr. Lance Armstrong, that is quite funny. – [Simon] That is a good Tweet. – No, Instagram. – InstaTweet. – Instagram. – Twinstagram? – The section’s called
something different, isn’t it? – Twinstweet? (energetic music) Comment of the Week now, and as ever, you have all been leaving
some amazing stuff underneath our videos, which makes us laugh and also
gives us reason to think. Anyway, this one really jumped out for me. This is from SantiagoBenites, under Matt’s Ask GCN Anything
with Alberto Contador. He said, “Come to think of it, “Matt’s looking very lean and fit lately.” It might be the haircut, but he says, “There’s hope and a very good
example for us old guys.” (chuckling) – [Matt] Oh yeah, cheers,
thank you very much. – I love the compliments, though, that are immediately followed
by pulling the rug out from underneath his feet. – Took my legs away. Anyway, moving on rather
swiftly to this one, which is underneath our
Deliveroo bike courier video, which was good fun to make, wasn’t it? This is from TurtleRC. “Si did really well as a bike CURRYer.” – [Dan] Nice work. – [Simon] Apparently It’s not called a katsu curry. – [Dan] No, it’s not,
it’s a very rude word in Italian. – Is it?
– Yeah. – 75 likes. – Yeah. – What’s it called? – I don’t know, what is it? – I still don’t know what it was called. – Katsu? – Katsu curry. – Katsu curry, yeah. – Katsu chicken curry. – Right, underneath indoor
versus outdoor training, which one is best, a couple
of great comments here. Joe Lewis put, “Si, Kojak rang,
he wants his glasses back!” And Chris Brunkhill,
Brunskill, should I say, “Bono makes some good points. “And you don’t need your
glasses to ride indoors either.” Now, Si did have some
rather controversial glasses and shade on that day,
which got a lot of comments underneath that video,
so I thought it was best if we wrote to our head
of fashion Adam Blythe. – Oh, what does Blythe
say, our head of fashion? – Blythe says, “They
would have looked good “in the early 90s “if Si had no helmet, no
cotton cap and mad-colored kit, “but not now.” “They looked like he’s
forgotten his glasses “and borrowed some from an uncle of his “that he thinks is cool.” – [Matt] Fair play, yeah,
from the arbiter of fashion. He’s on the button again. – [Simon] He probably is, isn’t he? – Disgusting. (energetic music) – On the channel this week on
Wednesday, Climbing Made Easy. On Thursday, it’s Five
Life-Changing Gadgets for Your Bike. – Yes, Friday is Ask GCN Anything, no high-profile
professional riders this week. I’m afraid it’s just Matt, but nevertheless, watch it anyway. And then on Saturday, we’ve got a pro bike in the form of Dylan
Groenewegn’s Bianchi Oltre XR4. – [Matt] Well pronounced. – Yeah. Sunday, we have Graham Watson, legendary cycle
photographer’s top 10 images from a pretty prolific career. Pretty being an understatement. And then on Monday, we
have a Maintenance video. Saddle bag, jersey pocket, or fanny pack? Which is the best way to take stuff? – Fanny pack? – Or not fanny pack. Saddle bag or jersey pocket? What’s the best way to take
stuff with you on your ride? – Not fanny pack. – Come on, everyone loves a bum bag. – And then on Tuesday. – They’re coming back. – And on Tuesday, it is. – From Belchertown, Massachusetts,
welcome to the GCN Show. – Well, that brings this
week’s GCN Show to a close, I’m afraid. Make sure you subscribe to the channel, if you haven’t already done
so, by clicking on the globe. – Yeah, and if you’re after
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100 comments on “Bikes Vs Driverless Cars | The GCN Show Ep. 217

  1. Let us know your thoughts on bikes vs driverless cars and don't forget to beat Simon's caption competition effort 👇

  2. I hope the first death of a cyclist by drive less car results in a millions and millions of pounds law suit, but wer're just road clutter so maybe not

  3. Uber tried driverless cars here in the US.  It seems their record is not that good. They have been banned here in San Francisco. Personally, I think, it is a great idea, but, it is still too early and the technology still. has a lot of  problems.

  4. Regarding the paying for cycling section its a difficult one. When you pay for other sports (football/rugby/tennis) you are watching for at least 90 minutes….. however, when the Peloton races past its all gone in the blink of an eye. I'd happily pay for a big race or particularly one where there are laps so you get to see the riders more than once. It cant be fair thought expecting people to pay upwards of £15-£20 to watch their heroes for 3 seconds

  5. Sorry to sound like a nerd…but AV means "Autonomous Vehicles" (as in self-driving), not "Automated". Plenty of vehicles are already automated – e.g. cars with cruise control, assisted parking, brake sensors…oh…and automatic gearboxes that have been around for…ever.

  6. Id still rather a automated vehicle than
    a driver with a coffee in one hand, mobile in the other with a car full of kids already 20 minutes late for school.

  7. Interesting topic and a bit scary to find that driver-less cars can't quite discern between pedestrians and cyclists. Even more scary to find that it probably shouldn't matter what is in front of a driver-less car, the car should see it and adjust to either avoid hitting the object or just stopping. Thanks for covering this interesting topic.

  8. I would 100% make the assumption that an AV would obey the rules and would ride my bike accordingly. I also think the biggest benefit of AVs are that you'll need a fraction of the amount of vehicles on the road at a given time, and eventually there will be no need for parking, since cars will just continuously driving people around, safely and efficiently.

  9. I will ride the roads less traveled especially not those used my automated or driverless cars. Also, I would pay a reasonable fee to see the finish of a pro race if it meant good viewing and at least some food and drinks were included. A cool beer would be nice but not necessary.

  10. Greetings from Chandler, Arizona, U.S.A. Why is that significant? Because Chandler is one of Waymo's (Google) development cities for their AV technology. As a motorcyclist I share the road with Waymo's vehicles every day and in the past few months I have encountered a Waymo car at least twice, while I was riding my bicycle. I can tell you that the Waymo vehicles are far more predictable and far, far, more courteous drivers than their human counterparts.

  11. Totally-not-awkward-moment between Si and Matt @ 10:06 –10:09, just thinking about their favourite sweet spot… 😐

  12. #Caption: I better clean up this blood of my disk break before someone thinks they're dangerous
    PS: I know that the disc brakes go on the other side of the wheel 🙂

  13. With the new generation of young drivers, I think this technology will be commonplace in the next three to four years. Between work and social media, I don't think people focus on actually driving anymore.

  14. Watching races is not something you pay for. Last year in the Giro we rode, ran, manipulated, evaded, navigated and met Mario Cipollini eating ice cream. Cycling races is not a spectator sport – spectating races is a sport in itself.

  15. Did anyone else look up the kids Canyon bikes? I have no idea who would buy one £449 for a bike that might last a year or two at most sadly ridiculous!

  16. I ride with Google driverless cars each day on the way to work. Have no fear of them. It's the drivers that scare me

  17. I cant wait for a driver less van to follow or arrive ahead of me. Long rides, supported. I know its a long way off. I live in the Rocky Mountains US and it would be great to tour with the idea of my camper loaded with supplies would meet me if I need it. On the downside,,, I could be hit by my own car!!

  18. Charging to watch bike racing how ridiculous is that. Of cause it isn't free the towns that are used for the stages have to pay for the privilege. Those vendors at these stages and along the route clearly place a surcharge on their goods.
    I visit the IOM TT most years and all along the majority of the race circuit it is free viewing.
    However what does happen is that at good viewing places Bradden Bridge being one of them churches and charities raise funds for their causes by charging people for viewing and offer catering which I do not have a problem with.

  19. Can not wait 4 driverless cars. Imagine Being drunk or got a puncture. with a whiff of you phone you summon your ride. Then on your way home you may take a nap. You get off n let the car go and park itself.

  20. I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, home of Uber driverless cars.  Since last September, these vehicles have been operating under automated control with a driver and an observer.  As a cyclist, I regularly see these vehicles on my daily commute and the vehicles making erratic movements at traffic junctions.  In Pittsburgh, vehicles are supposed to give bicycles a four-feet berth when they pass the bike; most drivers are courteous about this.  On only one occasion I was passed by an automated Uber vehicle.  This vehicle passed within two-feet of me at about 25 mile per hour.  I caught up to it at a light and tapped on the passengers window to get the attention of the observer.  He rolled down the window and I asked if the car was under automated control when it passed me in the previous block.  The driver said that it was not.  When I mentioned that he was too close to me when he overtook me, he apologized and the observer rolled up the window.  I have no way of knowing if he was being truthful, and I am genuinely skeptical about the ability of these cars to give the right-of-way to cyclists.  So far, they are 0 for 1.

  21. Look cars with no drivers in………… it's the same as letting a woman behind the wheel 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  22. CAPTION:  Aero Frame: $9000, Aero Wheel-set: $1500, Aero Helmet: $200, Aero Kit: $300,  $11000 of Aero spoiled by $0.10 of road debris…. Priceless.

  23. I don't believe driverless cars will exist until more structural elements are introduced into the roads and transit system itself. Cameras, radars, lasers, etc are all fine and dandy but anyone who has used any of those technologies knows they can be blocked or distorted. Cameras and lasers can get dirty and radar can be jammed or hit interference. Where I can see driverless cars being a primary benefit would be on freeway/interstate travel. An "auto" mode once you are on a freeway, and a "manual" mode is required for everywhere else. Too many factors that technology isn't advanced enough yet to overcome when it comes to inner city driving.

    When all cars are made this way, when streets are made with uniform widths, when parking isn't allowed on the street, when all cross walks are elevated or under the road, etc. Those are all major changes that would need to be fixed before automation is even remotely possible. I would bet they would start this method using either elevated or subterranean systems and leaving the current roads for more "manual" or current methods…

  24. Guys, as a cyclist who was hit by a car two weeks ago and who escaped death for the second time in my 30 year cycling career I'm not sure Driverless cars are any more dangerous than the folks on the roads with their texting, phones and other distractions. I was hit head on by a person driving south in the northbound lane of a major road in my neighborhood. Can a computer/AI do any worse than that? One last thought, please don't put people on the site that ride while doing a selfie while they are moving with headphones in their ears… This is about an unsafe as it gets… Our ears are our best friends… riding with music or phone calls in years is just dumb and could be deadly… Let's do what's right for the sport now gentlemen…

  25. I feel like very soon AV will be much safer than human drivers. The shift is also inevitable in most countries because companies will look forward to it – more predictability, less cost. I was quite surprised to see how you reacted on the topic but the point about it not being safe enough with regards to cyclists is fair.

  26. #WattageBazooka 13yr old Josh Tarling (and Dad) post a 25 mile TT time of 54:29 in the Port Talbot Wheelers event on Sunday.

  27. I haven't really been researching driver-less cars, so I want to pose the question "if a cyclist does get hit by an AV, who is the one at fault.  Since there is no human error for the car, how can blame be placed on them?"  If anyone knows or has a link, it would be appreciated.  It is a very curious question.  But in all honesty, I don't think it would be much different in terms of riding with a driver-less car vs. a human controlled car since nothing is 100%, you never know what can happen.  Just have to be safe on the roads as always since both are unpredictable as of right now.

  28. I reckon AVs will make the roads busier, all those journeys that parents currently say no to will now be possible for unaccompanied kids, plus people who have been drinking and those that can't drive will now be getting AV's round the country. And don't forget if they are electric vehicles, all the guilt of short journeys will have gone. Prepare for busy roads!

  29. Thanks for the info. I am working on a novel placed about 20 years in the future and I haven't yet decided if these driverless cars will really become utilized.

  30. Hi GCN Guys, we have a small problem and a dispute you will need to settle please, is my mate Gary's wheel holder on the roof of his car a Bodge or Hack?

  31. my opinion on AV's is that there more of a novelty then a necessity for city driving. Google has so money they can make novelties like this come true. However for highway driving this could help solve the problem of the stop and go phenomenon if majority of cars were automated…but that would take some time to achieve.

  32. Here is the issue – Bikes are SUPPOSED to act like cars. Sadly, there are many bad cyclist out there who do not follow the laws. Crossing the road on a red, riding on the sidewalk, going the wrong way on a road. I have seen it all.

    If cyclist followed the rules, I would bet that it would be much easier for AVs to work with them.

  33. I live in Pittsburgh where we've had automated Uber vehicles on the road for almost a year. I've passed them many times as a driver, a walker, and a cyclist. I've not noticed any poor behavior on their part and I am not concerned about being on the road with them. Relax and embrace the future.

  34. I am a cyclist who thinks that driverless car makers should just do their thing, build a car that follows the rules of the road. After a few cyclists who won't make up their mind about whether they are a vehicle(right answer) or pedestrian get run over all will be good. My pet peeve with cars is that they assume the cyclist is going to do something stupid so they slow down to allow for said stupid move to be made.

  35. Why does no one ever think about when driverless cars get old and start to malfunction? Imagine an old beat up driverless car with tons of computer glitches. BODGE!

  36. Regardless if it is a pedestrian or a cyclist that the vehicle is passing, it should give plenty of room to pass. Not just skim by. That's not a valid excuse.

  37. To the Three Stooges! Get off the road u crazy cyclists. Didn’t your mom teach not to play in traffic. Best wishes love the show

  38. I think it's good to let pay people for certain spots to watch a cycle race, would prevent idiots that rather wave at a camera then looking at oncoming cyclists.

  39. My question about driverless cars, is who is responsible for the updates? The manufacturer or the owner/lease holder? As well as who is responsible when/if it's computer(s) get hacked?

  40. The driverless cars are only as good as their programing. What kind of driver is the programmer? At least it would eliminate human emotion.

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