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Doping & Drafting Problems In Triathlon! | The GTN Show Ep. 105

Doping & Drafting Problems In Triathlon! | The GTN Show Ep. 105


– This is the GTN show, welcome along. Now, there’ve been a couple
of notable stories this week which have prompted us to tackle the rather controversial
topic of cheating. But fear not, because
it’s not all negative, because we do have a
rather interesting story of a well-known pro who’s got some really impressive stats
from this past weekend. – We do. And we’ve also got some confirmations of some of the top pros
with some upcoming races. We’ll also be taking a look at some of our favorites
from the caption comp, as well as some roundups from
the weekend’s race results. And taking a look at some your photos too. (high energy music) – Right, we’re going to go straight in and attack the hard-hitting
subject of cheating. – Yeah, it is a rather negative
way to kick off our show, but unfortunately it is
just something becoming more and more prevalent in the wider sport of
triathlon in general. – Yeah, we’ve had a few big
headlines over the past week and actually the past
month in regards to doping. And we’re not just talking about
doping within the pro field in fact, these big
headlines have come from the amateur age group field. – So the first one we can talk about just got released last week. It was an Austrian athlete who not only failed the test once, but he actually failed the test twice. He raced twice within Austria,
local-ish, I guess, events, and I’m quite impressed actually
that both of these events they were close within
each other calendar-wise, both had testing, and that’s
how he’s been caught out. One was at the end of May
one was then two weeks later, following that. He tested positive at both of them because I guess the EPO
he tested positive for was still in his system. – Now that athlete’s
name is Florian Lienhart and actually, he had a coach at some point that was linked with Operation Anderlass, you may remember I was talking about. Which is with regards
to cross-country skiing (hosts speak over one another) – Yes, potentially even
a link to triathlon, at one point we thought, but. – Yes, obviously that’s very sad, but we’ve also had some
announce from the ITU. Now these events actually came about from a couple of months ago, but have only been
announced this past week. One of those was an Australian athlete and that was Steven Thompson. He was in the 35-39 age
group category at the, I think it was the ITU
World Triathlon Grand Final in the Gold Coast. I believe he was a runner-up and has since been proven to have been taking EPO during that. – But the sad thing about
this story in particular is he was actually also a guide for a visually impaired athlete. And I’m not sure how they
did as appearing to be fair, we haven’t seen the results
or didn’t go and find them. But regardless of that,
whatever result was standing is now being disqualified,
well he’s been banned, but his guided athlete
that he was guiding for has also been disqualified. Which is completely unfair
because it’s got nothing to do, well we assume it’s got
nothing to do with him, because– – Well you could say it aided in some way, as sad as it is. – Well I suppose what I mean is I can’t imagine he knew that
his guide was taking any – No, no. – That’s just not something
you expect to hear about. – Horrific, in a sense. We’ve also got Portugal’s
Nuno Jose Pereira Silva who’s also been suspended for two years based on positive tests from the 2019 Pontevedra ITU long-distance world champs. Also for EPO and he was within
the 40-44 age group category. – Which it just kind
of boggles my mind more because, I mean, of course people go to world age group champs
and you want to do well. But, to do that well and
want to get notoriety or increased social standing,
whatever you want to call it, to be drawn into the need
to dope, racing amateur– – [Mark] There’s no money at stake. – None whatsoever. And I just don’t understand,
coming from the way we think, why you’d want to do it. – There’s a sliding scale of cheating. I mean, cheating is always cheating, but doping is definitely seen at the very pinnacle of that pyramid. But you don’t have to come
much further down there to start seeing the wider problems of drafting within our sport. Now that too is cheating,
it’s against the rules. – It absolutely is and we
witnessed this first-hand at Ironman Frankfurt. We stood on the sidelines actually trying to film part of the show. Oh my God they were all drafting! Packs were going past literally
meters apart from each other and I know we don’t need to
remind most of you out there but within Ironman racing
there is a 12 meter draft rule. As soon as you step within that 12 meters you are essentially cheating. Now we understand that
a lot of people try to push the limits. If they see someone at ten meters they go, oh I’m going to go ten meters as well. You’re cheating. Do people just not understand
the rules in the first place? Are people just entering these events not actually realizing
there is a full 12 meter drafting distance? I mean, there are race
briefings explaining this. Are there just too many
people on the course? That is widely argued for Ironman Hawaii World Championships. Maybe there’s just too many
competitors on this course. Are the courses just too flat? Maybe they need to be hillier
to break the groups up? – Definitely I can recall
hilly races, here in the UK our races are pretty
hilly, aren’t they Mark? And you definitely don’t see the same instances of drafting. You definitely, certainly,
haven’t got big packs that are forming because the terrain just doesn’t allow it and
it’s just too difficult to sit in a pack and
there’s actually no benefit from being in a pack. – And of course, we have the championship race in Sandbury which is trying to push the draft distance out to 20 meters to eliminate this. But, unfortunately, people are
still doing it at 12 meters so I don’t really see how
increasing that to 20 meters is actually going to stop
people from drafting. It’s going to, if you
are riding at 20 meters, reduce that drafting effect, but it’s not going to stop that need from some athletes to cheat. We’re going to throw
this to a poll now, so, what do you think we should do about drafting within triathlon? Do you think we should extend it to a 20 meter drafting rule? Should we reduce the amount of people on course during a race? Is it actually to
increase the understanding of the rules within races? Or is it actually to make courses hillier? And finally, other,
which you can select by clicking on the point just
above Fraser’s head up there. But now onto last week’s poll. We said, do you still train
indoors during your summer, even if it’s just for
one session per week. And 28% of you said no. – [Fraser] which means that
a whopping 72% said yes! I was quite surprised there if I’m honest. But I guess even if
that’s one session a week that’s still indoor training. – Yeah, I’m going to put my hand up. I’m still squeezing in
the odd session indoors. Once a week maybe – Yeah, so I guess that’s
the reason we’ve got such a, but I mean it surprises me still because I always think
summer means outdoors. (electric music riff) – So with the world 70.3 championships less than a month away in Nice now, then we’ve got the IUT
grand finals in Lausanne just the week before that, it really feels like we’re getting to the business end of the season. And with that, we’re starting to have various different athlete announcements in terms of them finalizing
their race plans, don’t we Mark? – We sure do, we’ve
got a very exciting one coming from Alistair Brownlee. Now we saw him racing Ironman Ireland over in Cork just over a month ago now, which he won in very impressive fashion. He’s now announced he’s going to be racing Ironman 70.3 Dun Laoghaire
back over in Ireland, which is a race we both have
experience on, very fond of, although on a slightly different
course than we’ve done. – Yes, we haven’t raced
it as its newest iteration which is which a really
difficult bike course. They’ve changed it since we did it. And we presume, partly the attraction for somebody like Alistair
especially in prep for Nice, because it’s a really
demanding bike course in Dun Laoghaire that they’ve now added, by all accounts one of the
toughest race courses in Europe, which sets athletes up really
well for preparation for Nice, which is also a very hilly
and demanding bike course. – Yep, which is only about
two weeks after, I believe. Talking of which, is,
we’ve had Sebastian Kienle announcing that he is
going to be racing at the Ironman 70.3 World Championships this year which is actually quite exciting because we haven’t seen him racing at the world champs 70.3 for a
good couple years now. – No, but he has got lots of
good form over the distance. World champion twice over, 2012, 2013, also couple silvers in 2015, 2016, but as Mark says I think
he probably watched the South African edition
last year and thought, “Hmmm, I wouldn’t have
minded being a part of that.” – It was quite exciting to watch them duking out the front there. So I’m sure he’s chomping
at the bit there. Now I’ve got some other pro news actually, and this is slightly different. Some are going out of
their comfort zone a bit. Now this is Joe Skipper who is well known for being an
absolute animal on the bike. Now, admittedly, he is out with a little bit of injury at the moment so he’s not fully running, or
running at all at the moment, but he decided to use this time to focus on his biking and, well, he seems to be doing a
pretty good job of it. – Yeah, hats off to you Joe, because he entered this weeked the UK National 12 Hour
time trial championship – Very difference between
12 mile and 12 hour. – Sorry for that Joe. And he went a lot, three
hundred and how many miles? – Twenty-four miles. Wait for it. Average power of 294 watts and an average speed of 43
kilometers per hour over 12 hours – [Fraser] Which is 27
miles an hour in old money, if that helps you. – That’s fast!
– That is going some! No surprise really he won
the national 12 hour– – In all seriousness it’s a
really incredible achievement. Totally out of his comfort zone. Of course as Ironman athletes
you’re used to time trialing for a long time, but
there’s a different between four, four and a half
hours and twelve hours. I’d be fascinated to know, as a little bit as a segway from us
doing extreme triathlons which require a support team, Joe is definitely going
to need a support team to get him through that race. So I’d love to know how he got, so if you’re watching Joe (laughs) – Someone actually sent me
a funny message on this. It says, that’s pretty much like three Ironman world championship best bike splits in one race. – Kind of, more or less. It’s incredible riding, just off the bat. – Yeah we should have
actually figured that out, shouldn’t we, 43k an hours,
should have done the maths to figure out what that
is, it’s a fast time. – I mean, we’re excited to
watch Joe get back into running and see if he can carry his form through. (electronic music riff) – Now onto Race News. And not that busy a calendar this weekend. First up, an event here in Europe, it’s Ironman 70.3 Gdynia that
still had a very strong field. Most notable indeed because we had reigning Ironman 70.3 champion Jan Frodeno essentially blitzing the field. He led from gun to tape and absolutely destroyed
the existing course record, which was held by none other
than American Tim O’Donnell. So not a slouch an any way. Jan came home eight minutes
faster than that time to take the win in three
hours and 39 minutes which is very fast racing indeed. Second place went to Maurice Clavel and third place went to
Miki Taagholt from Denmark. – I almost wonder if Jan’s trying to scare a few competitors
ahead of 70.3 worlds. Over in the women’s race
it was Amelia Watkinson that, wow, she absolutely
dominated as well. Not far off lead in the swim, she wasn’t the first up
but very close to that, and then pretty much dominated the bike. She put in a big, big advantage over the rest of the competitors
during that bike phase. Although, she did crash
on one of the descents! So you will see finishing shots of her with blood coming down her nose. She then also posted
a very quick run split to take a win in, well, almost nine minutes clear of second place which went to Lisa Hutthaler and then third, good friend of
the channel, Susie Cheetham. – Now moving over to Asia, cause we had another big event there in the form of Ironman
70.3 Philippines in Cebu. This has been often well
attended by lots of top pros cause I think the organization
really does their best to treat them like kings over there so always got a good field and
this year it was no exception Now in the men’s race we
had a very dominating affair with former Ironman 70.3 world champion Tim Reed taking the win. But to do so he took an
enormous lead into T2 with a very strong bike
ride, six minute lead into T2 over a very well
established group of athletes like Terenzo Bozzone, Luke
McKenzie, Tim Burkell, even defending champion
Mauricio Mendez from Mexico, but he then then later
pulled out actually. But this paved the way for
Tim to essentially take his fourth victory in Cebu, he
likes those conditions a lot. But almost lost all that
six minute lead with hard-charging Mike Phillips
from New Zealand coming through with the fastest run split
of the day to take second and third place went to
fellow Aussie Tim Van Berkel. – Yeah, now over in the women’s race actually Caroline Steffen
was back at this race having won it fives times before and made it her sixth win there. Only taking a slight hiatus
for the birth of her son. Very impressive race from her and she was very dominating of the course. But, as you touched on with
the hot and humid conditions, just to put it all in perspective, Caroline Steffen had the
fastest run split of the day and ran a 1:34:55 half marathon. So really not that impressive, but she was still two minutes clear of the next fastest run of the day. Dimity Lee Duke came in in second and then Courtney Gilfillan rounded the podium out with third. (electronic music riff) – Well now a chance to take a look through all your lovely photos that you’ve been sending in to us, and to
start things off this week we have one from Ricardo sent
from Santa Cruz in California. – Nice place, I went there once. – Little bit jealous. Now he has got a very nice photo here. Stood with his Cervelo P3, 2019 edition on a very nice part of the coastline. – It’s cheers, it’s just a
great picture, full stop. Thanks for sending it Ricardo. I mean, I like this one I think because as you guys might have seen
in earlier videos this year I got to use one of the P3s
we had here at the channel and it’s a great bike! It’s just a really nice time trial bike and I can see why you’ve
decided to build one up as nicely as you’ve done. – Yeah, they seem incredibly proud of it. They’ve sent us through a few
modifications they made to it. So they’ve put the TriRig
handlebars on there with the breaks. They’ve got a bottle
holder, eTAP derailleurs, Envy wheels and,
interestingly, a Dash saddle. Now the Dash saddles we
don’t see all that often but they seem to be quite popular by the people that use them. Quite almost like a
minimalist design to them little bit of leather on the top but very interesting
design to them indeed. Yeah, as they said, pretty aero setup for
a non-integrated bike. – Yeah I think you’ve done
a really nice job there of making that, I hate
to use the term superbike but I’ve just used it. – Next photo comes from Jan Otto and this one’s from Norway! I just got back from
Norway, so I wonder where. Though we did seem to have a fair few Norwegian photos come through. – Yeah I think you’ve had a little bit of a trickle-down effect
on what’s happening in our uploads because you’re a Norseman. I think this is sunset that’s
happening in the background. Short evening ride with
a beautiful sunset. – And they said, I’m actually going to butcher
the pronunciation of this, but (stumbles over Norwegian city name). Anyway, I’ve whacked into Google and it’s just outside of Haugesund which is where I’ve raced before. It’s now the Ironman Haugesund I believe, it used to be Ironman 70.3 Haugesund, so now, it’s now just
an age group only race but they used to have a pro race there. – In the Southwest, is that right? – Yeah, it’s quite south I guess. As Norwegian coastline goes. – Yeah, which is still pretty north for the vast majority
of us here in Europe. – But a lovely bike there. The next photo comes from Ahmed Sahid and this is their S Works share, this is in Langkawi in Malaysia and they’ve just been doing
their 70.3 simulation ride. – For the event coming up in October. So they’ve got little
bit of time to spare yet. – Yeah, love to know what
that simulation ride is, so do send that through. Then we’ve got another one from Briece, and this is their Canyon Speedmax CF SLX and this is from the middle
of nowhere, they say! It’s in Jepara Indonesia. – Basically he says all
my training indoors, six hour ride on Zwift and
three hour on the treadmill? I’m not sure if that’s you asking us whether you think that’s a good idea, or whether that’s what you’ve just done, but I’m pressed if you have done that. But that’s a really nice
looking setup to do it on, if that’s what you’re planning. – And they said they’re
prepping for Ironman Malaysia where they hope to get their Kona slot. And as you can see in front of them they have KONA KONA printed out and a nice picture of some palm trees and the nice coastline of Hawaii. – Yes, I do like that when
people to decide to have front and center, in
their training location, they decide to put their inspiration or their goal, or whatever it might be. It’s a nice idea. – Well we hope we see you out
there at some point, Briece. But do please keep
sending in all your photos using our photo upload, oh
apparently there’s one more. – We have got one more, yes,
we’ve got one from Rock. And Rock has been at the Super League Enduro event in Ottawa, which was a couple
weekends ago now, I think. A rather cool picture of
them just getting used to the swim, bike, run, swim, bike,
run format of an enduro. So practicing diving in
and out of a pontoon, presumably before the race started. Yeah, just thought that was
something a little bit different from our usual long course affairs. – Very exciting, very interesting. And as I was saying, please do send in all your lovely photos. Pain caves, diving in,
racing shots, whatever it is. Using our photo upload,
the link’s just below. (electronic music riff) – Well now time for the
GTN caption competition, your chance to win one of these caps. Now last week’s photo was
from one of the XTERRA races, I think it was the European championships. – [Fraser] It was the
Czech Republic, uh-huh. – [Mark] We had, I’ve forgotten
the athlete’s name now, it was one of the brothers. – Brothers
(struggles with name) – Let’s start this again. (beep) we got loads of great captions but particularly amazing caption
came in from Savage Poet, “Preparing for a Jaw-dropping
Personal Best… Yawwwwnnn!” Brilliant – Yeah good one, good one. But second up here we’ve got
bikeanddogtrips has said, just catching some flies for race protein. – But the winner of
this week’s caption comp comes in from Andy Turnbull, and he says, “Yawn… I could beat
these guys in my sleep!” So yeah, you are the winner. Get in touch with us on
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, whatever, and we’ll ping one
of these caps over to you. But for this week’s caption comp photo, it is of Grajales, is
that how you say his name? – Grajales, I think. Cristiano Grajales. – [Mark] Now he’s a bit
of a celeb over in Mexico. – Yeah, triathlon is a big sport in Mexico (stutters and stumbles) But yeah, it is definitely a country that takes their triathlon very seriously. This is the Pan Am Games, which was a couple
weeks ago in Lima, Peru. – That’s where Heather’s
on holiday, isn’t it? – Ah, so it is! – I wonder if she caught any of this race. – Well Cristiano, he won this event. So if she spotted him doing that then that would have been
a good race to watch. – Ah, yeah. He’s obviously got a very enthusiastic transition style going on. – I mean, I don’t know how he’s going to, if that’s him mounting his bike then that is some serious
gym work he’s been doing. – Please do drop your captions
in the comments section below That’s it for the show this week, don’t forget to enter the poll and let us know what you think
on the whole cheating topic. We’ve got loads of stuff coming
up on the channel this week, we’ve got a fantastic comparison
between the two bikes of Cameron Wurf and Andy
Bocherer two of the, well, best cyclists in the long
distance realm of triathlon. So really looking forward
to seeing that one from you. – Yeah, they were, I’m not
going to lie, rather nice bikes the pair of them, Mark. It was an interesting week in Roth and another video that I
filmed when we were out there was some race week run workouts. So did that down there on the famous canal that is run course in Roth, so
keep an eye out for that one. – If you did like today’s show do hit that thumbs up button. If you’d like to see more GTN
you can click on the globe and subscribe to the channel. We’ve also got a great
video on how to prevent plantar fasciitis and all about that unfortunate foot injury. So you can see that by
clicking just down here. – Yeah, and then another really good video in our open water swim series, just an open water swim session, you can find that here.

100 comments on “Doping & Drafting Problems In Triathlon! | The GTN Show Ep. 105

  1. What do you think should be done about drafting in triathlon? Don't forget to enter the poll and leave us a comment!

  2. Solve it using tech (example: GPS or RFIDs), if people keep passing “checkpoints” within 12m of each other then you could argue for drafting. If you increase the risk of being caught people will be more careful. If it’s too busy for non-drafting then that’s a totally other issue altogether.

  3. Not drafting is not always easy. Some Americans ride their tri-bikes as bad as they drive their cars. They work their butts off, pass me, get in front of me, and then SLOW DOWN. I am not intentionally drafting, but there I am, in the draft zone of an idiot that passed me, then got 1 bike length in front of me and ran out of gas (figuratively). I am trying to maintain a constant speed, but I can't because I get stuck in a game of leap frog. I am picking on my fellow Americans, But if that happens here, then it probably happens everywhere. Increasing the draft zone will not solve that problem. Reducing the field size might help, but with triathlon participation going down, that will only make races more expensive. A better solution is to increase the time gap in swim starts. Most of the races that I am in do not have mass starts. They start athletes at 5 or 6 second intervals. Maybe they should increase that to 10 seconds.

  4. joe skipper is a monster – congrats to him on that feat.

    re: the drafting – they should space out the start waves more than they do. passing dozens of people going just a little bit slower than you gets exhausting and taxing.

  5. I would never intentionally draft and I have to admit it was one of my main worries going into my last 70.3 (still a newbie) – what if I couldn't avoid it? Sure enough it was bloody tough to avoid, I did my best but that sometimes meant having to do a big effort to overtake a number of bunched up people – and then there was a substantial amount of blocking on narrow parts making that hard too.
    Wave starts are good and bad. Often (not always) uber bikers are not so good at the swim and vice versa – uber swimmers not as good on the bike so you definitely end up with bunching using this method. But then as a newbie I found it a much better way to safely swim – and I guess safety is the main priority anyway.

  6. Regarding drafting, if you have too many people on the course what to do? You hold back and surely you get caught by people behind you?

  7. A competition with 3000 participants (like Ironman Copenhagen), who all have to ride with the 12 m apart, gives a distance spread of 36 km!!! The course round is about 78 km plus a distance at the beginning and a distance after. It is almost impossible to not run into a drafting problem due to congestions – fast riders catching up to slower riders on round two. Given most athletes come out of the water within a limited time period, there will be congestions out on the bike route. So question is, if it would be more reasonable to make the events draft legal. Else they have to limit the events to around 1000 participants. But then permits will probably not be given, by authorities, to have the event, since a lot of roads are affected and closed.

  8. Drafting – I did IM Mont Tremblant 2018 were you saw several referees on bikes and in every penalty tent. On the other 3 70.3 and IM Lake Placid I did since I actually didn't see any referee.
    Needless to say, that drafting at Mont Tremblant wasn't a big problem and everywhere else it felt like participating in a Grand Fondo. This is particularly pretty annoying when you need to takeover whole groups makes is harder if you are a bit behind on the swim.

  9. #caption The moment you forgot if you are at a Brazilian Jiu-jitsu training or a triathlon transition 🙄🤷‍♂️

  10. To much cheating going on. Just need to rest the top 20% more so athletes know it is coming, additionally enforce time penalties for drafting, which will discourage it.

  11. I do most of my bike riding indoors during the summer mostly for safety, but also because I only have so much time before work and a bike trainer session is much more efficient.

  12. drafting sometimes it cant be not done . like for example :
    i did a triathlon this year wich had a 10k bike loop with 600 + entries x 12,5M is 7,5km of long string of riders
    so wich going to mean
    u basicly cant over take or when you do u have to keep over taking and other people couldnt over take because you was over taking. wich ended up in 1 big cluster fuk as every year and they did give penalties for drafting . but its basicly impossible to not draft in those conditions.
    so either they have to have a minum distance loop and or max entries so they multiplie the entries by 12,5 and have to come to max of 50% of the loop distance bike course so there is plenty of room to wiggle over take and settle back in when done over taking some1

  13. wrt drafting, on climbs spacing is often even worse, at what minimum speeds does the none drafting rule even apply, check out some of the IM Wales footage of the steeper climbs? Most age groupers are simply blissfully unaware suffering away in their own little bubble..

  14. Howsabout you either start enforcing that drafting rule or drop it. No sense in making rules if you arn't enforcing them…

  15. How about just increase enforcement. If riders think that they might get caught they will stop the behavior. If some people think there are few officials then many will try to get away with it.

  16. I think we can all speak from experience within racing that not a lot of people follow the non drafting rules within the amateur ranks and unfortunately people rarely change the error of their ways… I personally don’t think anything can be done to change the game

  17. GPS follow up and "big data" management is coming, so then big brother will tell when you (not me) stay to long in wheels.

  18. Drafting rules don’t work when there are too many people on the course. Event organisers get greedy with large start waves and little gap in between start waves. I overtake him and then he puts the power on (beyond what’s sustainable) overtakes me and of course i over take him back shortly after, everybody does the same. Before you know it you’re in a group, despite trying to follow the rules. Take the UK national championships at Leeds for example, they basically don’t enforce the drafting rules because it’s practically impossible. Am i going to follow the rules to the letter and ruin my chance of a decent result? Obviously not, i’ll just ride my own race and do what i can. Triathlon is a broken sport. The way to fix this is to make more age group races draft legal. The only problem is…some people don’t like the idea, because they want to use their £Xk TT bike, instead of their draft legal road bike. The sport needs fixing, draft legal races are more fun and there should be more of them, including standard distance, where appropriate such as Leeds.

  19. Come over to CEbu or Subic or Davao next year we now have three Ironman location here. There different location and three different dates but the one constant it will always be hot

  20. ya you should have seen how bad it was in IMTX 2018, it looked like the TDF…. Ironman has gotten so greedy packing the courses with 3500 people in a half and even in a course with loops, reducing the entry numbers will help a lot but it ultimately comes down to not having terrible people who are going to cheat, regardless of what is at stake, money, status, notoriety, what ever, But half courses should not have more then 1000-1500 on loop courses, maybe 2000 max for out and back or 1 loop course, maybe 2500 for full , but you wont see IM wanting to give up money now bad how the event is effected unfortunately.

  21. I like the USAT triathlons in the United States, because they seem to have some extra race officials watching for cheating. Cheating or inadvertent drafting still happens, but is limited.

    Heck, I’ve been penalized for drafting and didn’t know where I did it on the course. Maybe it was a failed pass on my part.

  22. 2,400 athletes spaced by 12 meters will cover a line of 29km, most IM are 2 loops of 90km, to pretend go on the course and not being in the draft zone at all is absurd. What needs to be observed is if the groups remain solid, cyclists are taking turns on the lead of the group etc. Too many bucket list participants in IM in the past years, the course is over crowded. Maybe just monitor the lead of the age groups, there are 2-3 spot to go to Kona, everybody else is not on the race, so if you are 20-50 or 120 on your age group is up to your own conscience if you put ethics within your effort. At the end of the day everybody is back at work on Tuesday and your boss wont give a flying f ck if you were 33 or 65 in your age group as long as you keep delivering your work goals, your hobby is just that

  23. One of the problems with drafting is the way bike courses are planned.. with less laps theres less drafting.. also there is less "show"… With more laps you have more riders in less space.. Also triathletes who want to draft will do it anyway…

  24. I was at an event in May this year I was one of the first out of the swim and was well ahead on the bike until the last 2 miles… then a pack of six guys drafting like Ineons flew by me like they were in a team time trial. I was not pleased. I didn't say anything to the organizers but I was not happy to say the least. It is just not a team sport.

  25. I think that is almost impossible to control drafting, even with the 20 meter rule. What about turning all races draft legal?

  26. Can you guys talk about renting bikes at the different Ironman locations. I have one coming up and I’m thinking about renting one Vs traveling in a airplane with mine Please!!

  27. I wonder if Mr. Thompson, busted for doping while guiding the visually impaired athlete, was feeling the pressure of affecting that athletes race🤷🏽‍♂️especially in a long course race, guiding someone very strong and you have a bad day….it seems like a ton of pressure. Maybe he didnt have a great prep and just wanted some insurance. Just a thought

  28. Drafting is endemic in triathlon unfortunately, when Ironman races allow anywhere up to 2000 athletes on to the same course then you cant do anything but draft. I've seen some horrendous cases of drafting in various IM branded races, the flatter courses lend themselves more to drafting than hillier courses also. Various ways to possibly combat this is to reduce the number of people on the course and suffer a loss of income. Increase the time between waves on the swim to spread out the field more or issue each athlete with a GPS receiver that can track each athlete and automatically apply a penalty when you spend too long in the draft zone.

  29. You have 25s to pass and 25s to drop back when someone passes you. Although there is drafting, these 5s clips don't show anything illegal – same as still photos, they lack context and don't prove anything. > 25s in the draft zone is illegal.

  30. Why not allow drafting in triathlon ?
    Let the athletes fight it out strategically on the course instead of trying to apply rules that you can’t control. Food for thought…

  31. Spread out the waves +/- reduce the number on crowded races, then use handle bar based sensor to determine draft distance and feedback to competitor. If within draft distance for over time limit the device records – 3 strikes and you're out! Shouldn't be that hard for the big races to implement as this is where it seems to matter most.

  32. Okay … here's my opinion, & nobody will sway me from it. Caught doping … banned for life! There is absolutely NO excuse for doping.
    As far as 'drafting' being classified as cheating is concerned … what the hell else can you expect when so many riders are exiting T1 at the same time (as Robin stated @ 18 hours ago). Yes, you can sometimes gain an advantage by drafting but, I think, that has to be balanced against the safety & smooth running of an event. Have an epic rest of 2019, & an even more epic 2020, everyone 😉

  33. A question has just crossed my mind … how come drafting is allowed in the swim, but not on the bike? Surely it's the same principle of gaining an advantage?

  34. Too many participants, simple math. Assume you ride 36km/h on your bike, then it takes one second to travel 10 meter. In theory (!!) 60 people can therefore start the bike course within one minute without drafting. I have been in a race where 100 people finished the swim within one particular minute and there where 14 minutes in a rowe with more than 60 people finishing the swim per minute.

  35. I've got the perfect solution. 

    Strava already has the ability to compare riders speed and time on the course, so it would be easy to see who is drafting. Check the "Flyby" section of Strava, and also check the "Compare" section.

    Instead of setting a physical distance such as 12m between riders, set a time limit such as 2 seconds. If Strava shows that 1 rider is consistently within the time gap of any or multiple riders, DQ him or her.

    You wouldn't need marshalls on the course, and you could probably set up a program to flag athletes who are consistently drafting within the time limit.

  36. There is an easier way to end this, time delay starts. Every 30 seconds a rider goes. So when they arrive at the bike racks they are timed to leave every 20 or 30 seconds based on arrival position to the bike racks. This way they will push harder to get to the bike rack to get the first start. However since it is based on time differences of 20 seconds, no one will know who is where on standings so they can't bunch up or draft at all since this won't win the race.

  37. HATE DRAFTING. I just competed in AGN in Cleveland this past weekend and watched 3 guys in my age group and 1 with the Team USA kit on all happily just dragging each other along. I cussed them out as I passed them but they all happily passed me on the run because I'm sure they had a little more energy available on the run. It's a joke.

  38. Imagine, if you just lifted all controls and allowed everything. The sport would die. It seems to me that any punishments distributed for doping, should be commensurate with the damage it would do to the sport at large

  39. You guys clearly have no idea what it means to compete as an amateur, or at least you've forgotten. I raced IM 70.3 which is a 2.5x loop bike course and 2500 athletes. Do the maths – strung out at 12m distance that's a line ~ 34km long if we ride in formation. Take passing and racing in consideration, and you are basically behind a rider all day, except for those at the very front. You seem to have forgotten what it means to be an amateur…in many respects.

  40. While drafters are a side effect of too many competitors on one course at once, there are still drafters who are just cheating. The only way to discourage such cheaters would be more than mere 2 minute penalties. There should be more on-course officials, so that drafters wouldn’t go unnoticed. Also, each drafter should automatically get pushed to the last place.

  41. I'm confused…If you can't get closer than 12 meters how do you get ahead, ahead? Is that how do you say it in English?

  42. During the American age group nationals I moved up 3 spots due to athletes who finished ahead of me drafting, and one extra spot because someone passed me on the right and got DQ'd. We just need more officials on the course to catch drafters. I wouldn't mind officials riding along on motorbikes or e-bikes either.

  43. Drafting and Blocking in these 70.3's has become so pervasive. I have to agree with Robin, too many racers on these courses. For the most part I don't think they know or understand the rules or how to be overtaken when passed. It's a bit frustrating to where I care less and less about maintaining the distance gap and just overtake.

  44. I am a strong cyclist, but weaker swimmer. At IM 70.3 Elsinore people were latching onto my wheel as I passed them. At one point I was towing a draft pack of around 30 riders. It was a flat course, so every time I pulled away on any short incline, the pack would d catch up again on the flat. Eventually there was a Hill followed by a narrow section and I was able to break away. Contrast this to IM Hamburg, also a flat course, I have never seen so many Marshals motorbikes, there was almost no drafting and hardly anyone in penalty tents…. Admittedly the marshals bikes did get in the way on occasions. The only way forward is better enforcement

  45. As an amateur speaking, i have no intrest in big enforcement to prevent drafting. I understand that in pro/elite races and in the top 100 of any race there must be a check/penalty on cheating. That said, i am an amateur, enjoying the sport for myself, and not caring about ranking. If someone ( who is not top ranking ) decides to draft, this is influencing his own result and i do not care.
    I would enjoy it more if there is more positive approach towards non-competitive athletes by officials instead of a strict attitude to punish.
    F.ex. i was finishing middle ranking on a 111 triatlon, lots of space between athletes finishing, and my kids ( 4-6 yrs ) jumped in to finish together. I was stopped at the line to prevent finishing or it would turn in DSQ. Anti climax for an amateur who is just happy to perform the sport and reach the finish line.
    I 'ld like to think there is more to the sport than rules and ranking.

  46. Regarding the drafting rule… I think they should add small sensors to the front and back of bikes, if they come within 12 metres (with a different pair of sensors) then they will send an alert to some referees and then they can give a 10-15 second deficit to the rider that came within 12 metres

  47. Hey GTN, Since Triathlon is multi-sport have you ever consider covering other multi-sport in a 'one-shot showcase' maybe as a little series and see how it could improve your triathlon training, such as; Duathlon, Biathlon, Quadrathlon, run and swim, aquathlon maybe get one of the lovely presenter to take part for science!

  48. No s…Sherlock…want to investigate Nicola Spirog/Daniella Ryf/Joao Perrera/The Norwegians..
    Come on guys…wake up!!!

  49. Take a look at the demographics of triathletes with the mind frame of the majority, and you will find the answer to why age groupers dope. Most are aging athletes from multiple backgrounds looking to fight father time, continue to compete at a high level relatively speaking, and triathlon is a great medium to do it. You think the majority of $15000 super bikes and $250 vaporfly's are being used by the pros or elites? Why does the "Average Joe or Jane" pay hundreds of dollars a month to break 12 hours? Doping is a continuum of the first listed motives, therefore, money is not the driving motive for 99.9% of us out there. I do not dope, nor do I condone it but I understand the allure of feeling younger and faster. Maybe instead of calling everyone cheaters, we start to look at what aspects of the doping lifestyle is detrimental to our bodies, and which aspects continue to improve the quality of life as we get older.

  50. #gtntraining question: Will cold water swimming improve my performance? I’m thinking that getting out wet through T1 on the bike with the chill factor cools the body too much for optimal performance, being adapted to perform in cold conditions could help perform on the bike.

  51. For a race like Ironman Copenhagen, roughly 2500 athletes are crammed into a 90 km loop. That leaves 36 meters per athlete. Even if people try to keep their distance on the flat and straight, the field will compress when the front riders slow down at a hill or a bend.

  52. I pressed other:- I race here in Germany and it's become a big problem with Drating rules.
    Everyone in my opinion have upped there swim training so a bigger pack comes out the water and there takes a time before the stronger riders shoot of the front.
    Also if the course becomes technical , with corners or small wining roads you see the less experience braking early or sitting up. Which courses a bunching up of the pack
    There tends to be very few officials/referees on the route and most of the time we tend to know on which part of the course they are hiding.
    It's going to be more difficult to control the athletes because everyone is improving
    Sending of waves of age group catergories maybe one way. Done some times in the sprint races here

  53. Do the bike race portion of the full Ironman on Kreitler 2.25 inch rollers with the headwind fan cranked up full blast!!! Find some way to use a laser based speed sensor on the 2.25 inch drums. I understand this probably isn't practical logistically and calibration wise, but it would stop drafting 😀. Update everyone's position during the race on Strava so they can see who is ahead or behind.

  54. To reduce drafting, ban aero-bars and redefine the Ironman. Make the second world championship event the marathon and the final event a 40 mile climb up Mauna Kea. Sure 40 miles is less than 112, but 40 miles uphill would be more "interesting" from a pure physical fitness standpoint.

  55. Can Ricardo from santa Cruz please let me know what he is using as his storage box over the bottom bracket. Thanks

  56. First off, I love this channel! I'm new to triathlon and just signed up for my first Sprint triathlon in about a month. I'm still learning a lot about the sport. This is probably a stupid question. Can someone clarify the difference between drafting and working to pass someone on the course? Is drafting where you just intentionally stay behind the person in front of you? Is there a time limit type of thing or do you have to be visibly gaining on someone to pass them for it not to be considered drafting? It probably won't matter much in my upcoming race…but for future reference.

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