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Fixing a Buggy Wheel to Git ‘er Done – The Cowboy Way | Engels Coach Shop

Fixing a Buggy Wheel to Git ‘er Done – The Cowboy Way | Engels Coach Shop


Welcome back once again as we continue
on in our pile wheels that we need to fix. Last week we did a rotted out wheel
that had been left outside way too many years. This week we have a wheel to fix
that went through a wreck we started to show you that last week. This is a wheel
that we were working on, so I’m gonna go ahead and get this wheel taken apart
we’ll get into this and then part way through I’m going to stop and kind of
address a little topic that shows up. So here we go. Well, you remember a while back, when I
turned a new hub core for a sarven flange? Remember just how I fitted those
flanges to the core? Well, this is what I looked for. So, this is the sarven flange style. You remember in that video, I’m looking for contact at this shoulder, right here, to this shoulder on the core and then at this point here, on the
outside end of this flange, is where I want contact. This part, in between, there’s an open cavity there.. There isn’t contact contact with the flange. And the same thing goes with the back end. This part of the flange has contact here. This part of the flange has contact here, but this cavity between the two is an open
cavity and when you drill a hole straight through, and this part of the
flange you’re drilling right through this open cavity, and you put a grease
zerk here, well this whole cavity begins to fill up with grease. Well this boxing is pressed in. There’s two points of contact also. The point of contact on the bell, and then it is, there’s fairly decent contact
here where the fins are, but where the spokes come in, there’s an open cavity
and then there’s contact for the last inch inch and a quarter on the small end
of the boxing. Well this inside is opened up, and there’s a cavity there, so that when the spokes come in to the core, that they don’t come in and hammer on this boxing and could possibly break the boxing. So this is left open on purpose. Well, when this boxing is bored straight through it allows this cavity here also
to fill up with grease Well, this grease begins to permeate this whole inside
core as you saw on this wheel, how full of grease it was? Well, when this becomes permeated it loosens the bond on this Well, when this becomes permeated, it loosens the bond on this boxing and it loosens the bond on the
flanges. Well the flanges stay intact because they’re riveted, but did you notice on this hub, when I took it apart? There was no boxing. It was so full of grease, permeated between the boxing and the hub core that it allowed this boxing to
back out. so that boxing was not in this So that boxing was not in this hub. It’s still on the axle of that buggy. So the question kind of remains as you
watch this, probably thinking, Why in the world that I do,
leaving that hub, in all those different pieces in that hub core? Well, the main reason is, actually there’s two kind of reasons. One is my assessment of the customer that owns this buggy wheel, and the fact that there
was no boxing. See this boxing is already see, this boxing is already predrilled, so when this owner comes, if
he calls ahead of time, he hasn’t come yet to pick up this wheel, I’m gonna make
sure that he goes to his axle and finds that boxing. I don’t think he knows that
it’s still there yet, so I can build this wheel, put that hub core back in those flanges like you watched me do, and I can take this boxing and I can rotate
it 90 degrees and put those fins into fresh wood in that core. That inside core is still machined to fit this boxing and it will take a tight fit. Now, where this
has already been drilled for that hole for the grease fitting, it’s going to be
90 degrees off, which is actually a good which is actually a good thing, because I’m going to talk to him
about this. Get rid of those grease fittings. It’s not that difficult to jack
up the wheel, slide it out, put your grease on put it back in. This grease
zerk fitting idea really is not the best idea. As I just explained, your filling
areas in that hub that should not be that should not be filled with grease. So I mentioned that I took into account the, what I assess to be what I assess to be the character of the customer. He is what I would say is, an old-school cowboy type of guy. Now a number of years ago, back in
the 90s we ranched for a while and leased a place of a rancher who had died,
and we leased it from his sister, and as I got to know that place, I got to know the original owner of that ranch. He was an old-school old-time cowboy type of guy. You’ve heard the phrase, it’s
it’s the cowboy way? Well this place was Well, this place was put together the cowboy way. Hinges were made out of scrap wagon tires and bent old railroad ties and whatever could be
conjured up. He made this place hold together. He made do with what he had and I respected that, and admired him for it. Well, the gentleman is of that same school. He’s an old-school, old-time,
cowboy type of guy, who would say, in my estimation, doesn’t have to be fancy,
it’s gotta to work, just get er done. And so, that’s what I assess this hub to be
in that category. It wasn’t broken apart, where there were pieces missing.
There weren’t big gaping holes. When I put it back together with glue and put
the flanges on it they were fairly snug. I added glue to the outside of the hub
core to take up any kind of slack between the hub core and the flanges and
then once the spokes are in, I’ll put some bolts in temporarily to hold it in place so I put the rivets in, but this hub core will work. It’ll get er done. And when we put that boxing back in correctly and I talked to them about
these grease jerks, This wheel will certainly work. It doesn’t have to be all about
thrills and frills. It has to work. So, we’ll just get her done. Well, from here I’m going to go ahead and just finish out the process of building this wheel
and we’ll get her put together and it’ll work. Well, two takeaways from this video is
one, don’t mess with these new modern grease zerks and just drilling holes and
thinking it’s going to work. Just grease them the way they’re supposed to. And secondly, not everything has to be brand new nd ideal. Sometimes you just need to get er done. Thanks for watchng! you

100 comments on “Fixing a Buggy Wheel to Git ‘er Done – The Cowboy Way | Engels Coach Shop

  1. Love the music in the background!!! It completes the video… Especially the fiddling from around the 6 minute mark to the 13 minute mark… Keep up the great work

  2. That butter knife, reminded me of a old school mechanic i worked with. he used his gasket scraper out of his tool box, too eat beans out of a can for his lunch. Thank you much for sharing and I hope you have a great day.

  3. Each Friday evening I watch and enjoy one of your videos. One question I have wanted to ask was have you even made a wooden wheel borrow wheel? Read long ago someplace that they are harder to make then a regular sized wheel. Assume some of it is the small diameter, no dish, alternating spokes meeting the fellows from different angles and other features have not thought of. If a guy could make the wooden wheel the rest of the old time wooden wheel borrow would be easy. Thanks and keep on keeping on.

  4. "Close enough for the girls I go with!"

    Dave, you better hope your wife don't watch your videos, she's gonna get pretty twisted if she see's how you been treating her grandmother's silverware!

    With the boxing missing, I bet that half inch long sleeve you pulled out of the core was put there to take up the slack between a short boxing and the end of the spindle because it was wearing down over time.

  5. If a Cowboy says that somethings 80% original its a safe bet that the rest is welding rod or what was ever at hand when it broke and it can be quite an archeological lesson in figuring where it all came from…

  6. I don’t know why, I had to smile when you first put the hub on the stand. I guess I knew that what it looks like with two spokes is nothing like it’ll end up looking.

  7. thanks for understanding its a LONG WAY to town and money is always short. I thought that was a great repair. you always have my respect great vid.

  8. A wonderful video of just common sense and a respect of the old ways, the originators of the idea making the wheel to start with deserve major respect.

  9. I was asking myself, self, why didn't he put glue in the fellow repair before he put the rivets in? Then I said self, this is not a stupid man so he didn't for a reason. Then I said, self, you're an idiot. Why would you put water based glue on something that will no doubt go through a puddle or two. I love the little twists and turns you display here.

  10. Whoever would believe that fixing an old, beat up wagon wheel could be so interesting? I was fascinated by the process and the explanation.

  11. Great video! I have installed a foot switch with a cover on my drill press. I find it very convenient. I can line up the material I’m trying to drill and with both hands hold onto to it, start the drill press and when it’s finished I just release the switch. It saves time and it’s safer.

  12. Informative, educational, old school (yes, thank God) … but when I call and tell Your Wife what You did with her Grandmother's butter knife … You are going to be in such deep doo-doo …

  13. I suppose a person could also just drill through the flange and hub, drill and tap the boxing and install an extended grease fitting. That would keep grease out of the interstitial spaces.

  14. Hi Dave Every time I watch a new episode I learn something or have points to consider. This time it was marking up the steel tire before removing it from the wheel. Am I right in thinking that putting the rim back in approximately the same position avoids many problems will ill fitment of the tire from tight spots and gaps given that the tire and the felloes "mated" together over the years? warm regards vic

  15. Had to laugh , I restored my Uncle's 1929 Chevy and the rear axle outer bearings were lubed by a grease fitting , the drums were packed full of old hard grease , so I rebuilt with sealed bearings and closed off the fittings to eliminate the problem ,watching your video just flashed that back same problem different times . Bill

  16. I sure do like watching your videos. Next time I drive through the Beartooth I'm going to come by and see you. I just want to shake your hand.

  17. Sometimes the edited tapping of rivets sounds like a music score. There's a rhythm to it. Your shop looks interesting. Have you made a tour video? As always, thank you.

  18. Making "do" or "getting by" was a way of life for many folks. Always seemed to work for them ..guess it should work now just the same as it did then. You always do a great job in "gitter done" mode every time i watch you on these instructional videos. Thank you Mr Engels. Keep up the wonderful work your doing. 👍👍👌👌

  19. It just that there are times that the old ways are the best way!! When it comes down to it,it is the best way {at times I wish it would stay that way} keep up the good work,THANKS FOR THESE VIDEOS !! R and W

  20. Your comments about the "git 'er done" attitude of a a lot of old time ranchers brings back memories. That was always the way at our family ranch in Wyoming. Do what you can with what you have to get the job done. It isn't an art project for a gallery. I sometimes wish more of that rubbed off on me as I have a tendency to want it all new and perfect when that really isn't what's needed. I'm mending fences today to keep the feral pigs out of our Macadamia Nut Orchard here in Hawaii. I'm using old rusty steel fence posts, wired to the bottom strand of wire on the fence with whatever wire I can find to keep them from nosing under the wire. When I run out of rusty steel fence posts, I walk the fence line looking for some that I pulled out when I put that shiny new fence in.

    Thanks for reminding me that it's more about getting the job done that fancy paint and shiny things.

  21. I don't have a wagon in need of repair, but sure wouldn't mind an Engels Coach Shop T-Shirt or Hat (if you had any interest in making some)

  22. I understand that adding zerks to "antique" wheels can catch in a purest craw but when done correctly it does not cause a problem and probably saves about 20 minutes of work and that is very "Get er done".

  23. I always thought "The Cowboy Way" was intentionally doing things the hard way due to some romantic notion….based on listening to Riders in the Sky when I was a kid. Gotta love the ole Slokum and Charlie!

  24. Enjoyed the video Mr Engel. Yes new isn't always better. Many times the old way is still the best way. Thanks for taking the time to produce the video. Y'all take care and God bless.

  25. If he were to use a pipe tapped into boxing itself grease zerks would work. I think you did that on the water wagon wheels.

  26. G'day sir. Firstly thanks for your videos, I look forward to each one. What you refer to as "The cowboy way" sounds a lot like what we call "A bush carpenter" it's amazing what you can fix with a bit of fencing wire. Lastly, does your boss know your using the "Family silver" as a tool in the shop?😉
    Regards and best wishes for down under.

  27. People under estimate the usefulness of a heavy duty butter knife in a shop of any kind.
    I must have a dozen that I've ground to suit different jobs.

  28. Will that wheel have any dish to it and if so how did you put it in? Still waiting to see what that basin wrench hanging on the wall is used for in wagon repairs? 🙂

  29. I have a question. How would it work to scrap all of that and to build the hub using tapered barring and not have to deal with all the "old school " stuff. Just for practical uses not as a historical peice?

  30. I have wondered about much contact was really achieved between flanges & core. Hugely interesting! "The cowboy way" certainly has a place in today's world.

  31. Thank you for the explanation of WHY.
    I have never been a Rancher or Cowboy. But I can definitely relate to 'Git Er Done". I think what this new generation doesn't understand about that phase is, you have to have good understanding of how things work and operate to as they say think outside the box. If you didn't grow-up on somewhat of a country / farm setting than you don't get that hands on training from the older generation of what makes things work.
    that's why great videos like yours and others, help bridge that gap.
    Thank you for sharing.
    I always enjoy watching your videos. I have learned just enough about coach and wagon wheels to know to send them to YOU.

  32. Another wonderful video…! I've spent a lot of my working years as an Industrial Maintenance Mechanic….And, like this wheel…..found that the 'previous' guy figured if he just forced enough grease in there, it would be OK….

  33. I enjoyed the video, that's the reason I keep every size of ball peen hammer they make in my tool box I never know when I might have to fix my buggy wheel. But I use them mostly on my old Fords they have wire wheels.

  34. Use it up
    wear it out
    make it do
    or do without
    I've found that cowboys certainly know a whole lot more about the cowboy way than I ever will, and they have a great sense of humor about it too. I was over at the neighbors showing him the proper lay of one of those fancy serpentine engine belts since he couldn't make any sense of it, and the other cowboy drove up with a home made lid for a water pipeline access pit. I went to have a look at it and sure enough he used styrofoam for insulation under the top. Well that stuff will load up with water over time killing the insulation value while it converts the lid into 500 pounds of pure swollen struggle to get it back off there and let's hope it's not frozen tight to the casing when we need in there. I came back to the gathering of the two cowboys gazing into the engine bay as we all tend to do sometimes and I made a comment on the marvels of cowboy engineering in general. The one still covered in sawdust just grew the biggest grin ever. They seem to be very good sports about all of it.

  35. Not a video goes by, sir, that I don't learn something new–about wheels and their construction and why, about working to rule or just "gitten 'er done". Today, I was gifted with such a fond memory of my Dad and how he taught me to work. Not a cowboy, though he knew his way around horses and could set a camp with coat hangers, baling wire and whatever wood was to hand so's you felt in the lap of luxury with all manner of conveniences. No, he was a Kentucky hillbilly, a one-time rum runner, a race-car driver, farmer, war hero and, finally, a carpenter who took on a family of five after my father died (I was a babe in arms in 1955).

    "You go at everything like yer killin snakes!", he once told me when I was wrestling with a hundred-pound jackhammer on a concrete slab for a K-Mart he was building one hot Sacramento summer in 1978. He took the thing by one handle, using two fingers and his thumb (he had a bad case of "trigger-finger" from holding a hammer for so long, I suppose. A good thing he was Foreman by that time.) and just stood there; that damned jack-hammer bouncing up and down, hitting the same spot near every time, and said, "Let the tool do the work, son, and just git 'er done."

    Sorry for being long-winded and a bit off-topic, but this video brought back that memory as clear as if it were yesterday and I just wanted to thank you for all you do and the sure, soft-spoken way you do it. I miss my Dad something fierce, and watching you reminds me of him in so many ways. Thank you.

  36. My great grandad used to have a broom, I've got it now. It's had three new handles and five new heads, still the same broom! Still works as good as the day he bought it. Unfortunately, I had to buy a new dustpan for it, broke my heart to spend all that money. I swear we heard a rumble as he turned in his grave.

  37. Custom Borax wagon wheels are fun to watch, but these light wheels have a charm too. I'm always amazed that something with such thin parts can withstand all the forces thrown at it in use. And the design is quite advanced, everything is made to fit, but still quick repairs are possible after that for someone with your experience.

  38. Yout did "german restauration"! In germany there are two types of customers. One need everything new the others like to restore everything. The "restorers" like to save as much original material as posible or they like using old methods of working like "meister greef"

  39. Hello Sir
    I like to see how you do the repair
    And the explanation why you do it as you do it
    Respekt and understanding of the customer is the secret
    Thats what disapears in our " new World"
    Thanks for sharing your work
    All the Best
    Yours Frank

  40. Yup, just "Get'er Done" is best. True, some might be more comfortable with the the time and expense of building a whole bandy-new hand fabricated hub. Others will see the wisdom of getting a piece of wood to last out for as long as it can, because of the energy it carries forward into the future. Them's that live with the wild hear better the music of what old wood brings to the song of life as it moves through into the future, but only them's can understand that jest propa. Ayah, probablee. . . . or simply and properly be just obstinate enough to not want to bother paying more than is needed to Keep on, Keepin' ON! – – Good on you, Sir for the wisdom and sensibility you bring as your energy to the work's craft that you do.

  41. What a great philosophy "Git'er done." Having worked on several restoration projects it is a question finding that balance between keeping as much of the original with just how much new material is going to be put in. Tricky 🙂

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