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Katerina Nash | The GCN Cyclocross Podcast Ep.2

Katerina Nash | The GCN Cyclocross Podcast Ep.2


– Welcome back everyone. I’m Jeremy Powers, and you’re listening to the second episode of the GCN cyclo-cross Podcast. Before we get into this week’s episode, I got to say thank you so much for all the love you showed
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let us know what you think. Today we have a fantastic
show for you all. Joining me on episode
is GCN’s Marty McDonald. We’re going to catch up on all
the things that are going down in the United Kingdom
and the United States, at the World Cup level,
at the local level, we just jam. Then we catch up with
my man Erwin Vervecken from Belgium about all
things start contracts and the Belgian scene and what’s going on over in that world, and then the feature for today is with my friend, Katerina Nash, who is the current
cyclo-cross World Cup leader. She’s literally of the
most decorated riders on the circuit today. We talked to her about her results on and off the bike. Riding for Clif Bar for her entire career, about growing up under communist rule in Czechoslovakia and what that was like. The growth of women’s cyclo-cross, and the fact that she’s a president, yeah. In our, only our second episode here at the GCN cyclo-cross Podcast, we have a president on the line. Yeah, she’s the President
of the Athletes Commission to the UCI and we have
an awesome conversation. First up though, we’re
going to jump into this, with my friend, Marty. (upbeat techno music) Hey Marty, how are you today? – I’m good, another
great weekend of racing so doubling up loads of my
proper cross conditions. What’s not to be happy about? – Yeah, I know, I saw
you were commentating the Superprestige this
weekend with Magnus Backstedt how was that? – Oh it was good, Maggie and I go way back. I used to be his manager. We haven’t commented for
a while actually together so it was good to just slot back into it. – Pretty to cool to have your guys level of depth together in the studio calling the cross races. That’s such a treat for
everyone, including myself. Sounds like he might be coming back for this weekends races as well? – Yeah, he’s doubling up this weekend, so we’ve got him back
and he’ll be joining us a few times during the year when you’re off doing other things. – This weekend in the cyclo-cross world from the United Kingdom. There was honestly
probably the big stories would be something like Tom Pidcock and Anna Kay tearing it up. – There’s a lot of talk
again of Tom Pidcock coming back into racing
after being on the road and seeing him action in
the World Championship. I thought his ride at Boom
was a very, very mature, very, very sort of patient ride and just the charge at the end. The battle between him and
Hermans’ going left and right through different sections
and then he really clouted his shoulder on one of the course markers coming into the finish but he’s probably ahead
of where he thought he would be. Then what can we say about Anna Kay? As a young rider, she’s just come through and stepped up and
stepped up and stepped up. Her first World Cup podium as well. This young rider is again
a real star for the future. We’ve seen her pushing it again, bunny hopping those barriers as well. – One thing that I also was
really surprised to learn this weekend after I looked at the results was that this was the first time in all of these riders history, there’s a first for every woman on the World Cup podium this week. Annemarie Worst was her
first World Cup victory. For Ceylin Carmen Alvarado, it was her first time on an elite podium and the same for Anna Kay so all of them having first
at the World Cup, Marty, and the average age, can you guess it? – I think I had this at the
GCN Racing News Show this week, is 21 years, 304 days? – Yeah, that is exactly
what it is. This is bananas. Absolutely crazy. – But I can’t take credit for that. That comes with cyclo-cross24.com, doesn’t it?
– Yeah it does. Man, totally wild. Totally wild that these young riders are now what we were seeing
happening in the men’s category a couple of years ago, we’re starting to see happen in the women’s category. A changing of the tide. – Definitely. Got to give a big shout
out at the weekend as well to Alice Maria Arzuffi. What a day for Italy in Boom. One and two, Eva Lechner, one of the rides of the weekend as well. Just the way she just can
charge through at the end. Came up, outsprinted Sanne
Cant for second place. It was a real Italian
day on Saturday as well. – Yeah and from the American side it was very, very cool
to see Kaitlin Keough. Coming in she kicked off
her European campaign and now she, now she got
fourth at the World Cup and she’s been racing
in everything, Marty. What are you seeing when you’re
commentating with Kaitlin, what have you seen so far? – The weekend, Sunday particular, the battle that Kaitlin Keough
was having with Anna Kay for that third spot on the podium, Kaitlin Keough, very,
very quick on the run. You could see that, and it was just going
backwards and forwards between those two for
that podium position. You can correct me if I’m wrong. The tougher the conditions, the more where that sort of running
skill, those quick feet, it seems to be those sections
that are suiting her. – Yeah, in the mud too, Marty. We got to talk about that for a second because pretty much
across the globe right now we are seeing a ton of precipitation. There’s literally mud
in every single picture of cyclo-cross that I see on Instagram, no matter what country you’re in, and it’s pretty crazy to
see all the precipitation and true cyclo-cross conditions
coming out for the season. – What’s even more impressive is when you’d say precipitation
in live commentary. It’s like when my daughter
used to call it besghetti instead of spaghetti. I would never attempt that,
especially live on TV. I have to take my hat
off to you for that one, I’d just stick with the rain. – But how about Katerina Nash, also, keeping the overall lead? – Do you know what, I’ve
been commentating cyclo-cross a long time. For Katerina Nash, I’ve
always been such a big fan and just like my Danny
MacAskill moment last week, I think, you’ve got to
interview her recently as well. I think that properly have a
proper fanboy moment as well, if I had that opportunity
but she is such a superstar isn’t she, and again as
she said in her interviews after she took that win, doing it for those riders
that are around their 40s and when you look at that World Cup podium of just over 21 years, big respect to her. I think she’s, I’ve always
thought she’s phenemoinal. – Yeah man, she is. And
actually that is the podcast that we have on today’s episode, Marty, we’re going to be
catching up with Katerina and learning all about
what she’s been up to, a little bit of her history, we talk about all kinds of fun stuff. So definitely going to be a
great chat for everyone to hear. What have we got coming up
this weekend for live racing? – So this weekend we are back. So we have the next round
of the Ethias series which is round four, that’s from Beringen. Gavere, the Superprestige round three, we had such great viewers
on Superprestige last week. I’ve got to say as well
out to the viewers, such great chat, the
community that we’re building and seeing how everyone’s
interacting with each other. Hats off to everyone that’s tuning in. – Yeah, it’s been fantastic
to be able to have these races streaming from free on GCN Racing. So, I’ll look forward to
when we get on the mic in person in a couple of weeks. Marty, thank you so much
for your time today. – Have a great week pal, see you soon. – Man, it is always so good
to catch up with Marty. He’s got so many things to talk about. Think about it, he gets to sit in the booth
with Magnus Backstedt, the Paris-Roubaix winner,
Tour de France stage winner and talk cyclo-cross on
the weekend on GCN Racing. I cannot think of something
that is that cool. I’m going back to watch the races. Again, on that side just to
listen to Magnus Backstedt talk about cyclo-cross because
I think it’s pretty fun that he’s now involved in the
commentating on the races. So shout out to Magnus Backstedt. Check those guys out this weekend coming up on the live racing. Next up, is with the three time world champ, almost as insane
as talking to Magnus Backstedt is jamming with Erwin
Vervecken about all the things that are going down in
Belgian cyclo-cross. Erwin knows it all. This week, we talked about the
racing contracts in Belgium. We’re talking about
all kinds of fun stuff. I’m going to stop talking,
let’s get into it. (upbeat techno music) So Erwin, what is going on this
week in Belgium cyclo-cross? We’ve got the Superprestige and the DVV. The DVV Trophy doesn’t kick off until the Koppenberg in November, but this is the Superprestige coming up and the riders that are coming, one of the cool things about this series, I know a lot of this series, the riders have dedicated
contracts to come to these races, so for the fans, that’s amazing
because they can count on these riders just about
every single weekend being at these races on both the men’s and the women’s side, right? – Yeah, so we have what
we call a couple contract, so it’s an overall contract
for the whole series. Both Superprestige and
DVV series have them for men and women and it means that riders
with such a contract can ride all the races
for a certain fixed price, even if they would not perform
well during the season, the the price, the amount stays the same. It’s also for spectators
and organizers certainty that these riders are at the start. – That’s fantastic. I would always as I came over, get one contract to do a
race, another contract, but a year long thing, I can see why that would be
so valuable to a promoter. Some of the racers that
are on here that I see are Sanne Cant, Annemarie
Worst, Carmen del Avarado, Alice Arzuffi, Maud Kaptheijns and on the men’s side it’s Toon Aerts, Lars van der Haar, Laurens Sweeck, Michael Vanthourenhout and Tom Pidcock, so there’s definitely
going to be some battles. – Yeah, most of the good trialists apart from Wout will be there. We are lucky because we organize the DVV series. We’re lucky to start a
bit later in the season and to have Mathieu, a
superstar doing our series as a complete series this
season, which is good. – And so then I guess the next question is from the riders point of view, they have these series that
are going to be able to give them a start contract, so that’s one way. But then they also, I was
reading that the Superprestige does a equal prize list
overall for the women at the end which I believe, is it 30,000 euros to win
the Superprestige overall? – Yeah, that’s tried to the UCI made it mandatory that the top three in these rankings got the same prize money for men and women. So prize women per day is already the same for the past three
seasons, if I’m correct, and that means, I think,
that category one races like most of these races
are top men and women. So first position gets 5000 euro, where the final ranking is 30,000 euro and that’s the same in DVV series. It’s mandatory to make top
three equal prize money but we already decided to
make the full top 15 equal for men and women. – That’s fantastic. That’s absolutely fantastic. Erwin, let me ask you one last question before I let you go. Just about the overall seeason. Now that the cyclo-cross
season in Europe has started and it’s absolutely going
to go every single weekend, there’s contracts, there’s media, there’s a lot of pressure to do well. When you were a rider, how did you deal and navigate
with the heavy Belgian cyclo-cross season? What is the thing that you can do, or what is the thing that’s
going on in a rider’s head? ‘Cause you really are
racing or you could race every single weekend and it’s yeah, you have the series races starting up. They’ve already done a
trip to the United States. It’s a superheavy schedule and I just would love for
you to tell our listeners about mentally what’s that like for you. You were three times World Champion, you had so many years
of racing these series back to back to back. What is it that you do to stay even keel throughout the
entire year and take it with patience, I would say? – Well I was probably a bit different than all the others. I didn’t mind so much for
the early season races. I took them as a start up and I actually never focused
on being very good in October, I wanted to be good in
the Christmas period and in January when the championships, the National and World
Championships are coming up. Most of the riders, yeah,
they tried to be good at the beginning of the season. What I actually learned is what
we also see in recent years is that the salary of the riders, so the amount they get
in their yearly contract has been gone up a lot and I mean a lot. Times four, times five
in the past 10 years, so they benefit from better contracts and they don’t have to
ride these races anymore like we used to do. We used to ride a lot, Saturday, Sunday for start money ’cause that was the big part of our salary or what we earned and that has changed. We see riders skipping certain races. Also going on a training
camp usually early December. So the season it’s more in two parts compared to what we did. The season is starting
earlier so with the World Cups in the States in December. But on the other hand, they have a short break of a
week, even two weeks last year, early December and yeah, I don’t know if they
deal with it very well but I see every year, riders losing focus and losing freshness
towards the championships and I think that’s the most important period of the season. – Yeah, I think just with
the international calendar, right, the when you were at your peak and in your prime, you didn’t have to travel although you did come to the States quite a few times.
– I did, yeah! – But but not at the World
Cup level necessarily. There wasn’t this like and
they weren’t in September so yeah, I guess the, we can talk about this another time but I would love to hear your thoughts maybe next time we catch up about how American cyclo-cross or globalizing the sport
is part of the plan and what your opinion is on that but for this week I’m
going to clip it there, I’m going to let you go. I wanted to say thank you so
much for checking in with us and we’ll catch up with you next week. – Okay, well see you next week. – Erwin’s got that depth of
knowledge that nobody can touch. He’s been in all of it. He’s still in all of it and he just has such a
great head on his shoulders to be able to have him as a
resource that we can talk to week in and week out about all the stuff that’s going on over in
Europe with cyclo-cross. So next up, we need no introduction. It is Katerina Nash. I’ve already told you about
what we’re talking about, I’ve already given you the insight. Just listen to the
accolades at the beginning. They’re going to blow your mind. (upbeat techno music) Katerina is one of the
most accomplished riders that I have the pleasure of knowing. She is a five time Olympian. Three times as a mountain biker but before that, as a Winter Olympian with cross country skiing, twice. So you also have quite
a few other accolades, you’ve been on the podium
of the World Cup Cyclo-cross a couple of times, six to be exact, Vegas, Tabor, twice in Namur
and as well as in Roubaix. Two times at the cyclo-cross
podium in Sankt Wendel in 2011 and then in Bieles in Luxembourg recently. You were multiple time
cyclo-cross national champion that results don’t actually
go back far enough, the history books don’t go back far enough to know exact number of
national championships that you have.
– No, I can figure it out. I should figure it out ’cause actually cyclo-cross is my youngest discipline. – I like that, I like that. All right, well we’ll put that somewhere and we’ll find it out and put
that on the Twitter account. And you also have been on
the podium of a World Cup on the mountain bike as well. You’ve won a World Cup mountain bike. – Yes. – Yeah, which, where was that? – It was Mont-Sainte-Anne. – Wow, such a good course. – Yeah, if I’m going to win, I
like to win the classic ones. – So awesome. So yeah, so that’s now
we’re really digging in to all the mountain bike accolades. It’s pretty easy to say
that you’re podium contender at literally any race that you roll in to. I don’t think there’s anyone
that can argue with that. – Well, no, I’ve done really well and I like the diversity and for sure, there’s been time when I was, consistently hitting
summer World Cup podiums and then switch over to cyclo-cross and I never really did full
season in cross so to speak ’cause mountain biking’s always been, that’s what I signed my contract for. That’s what our teams focus on but I don’t know, there’s
something about cyclo-cross it’s just like that everything else is kind of like yeah, you’re
doing it because it’s your job but cyclo-cross for me has
just been a huge passion and I just, even this
year I didn’t really know how much I was going to do because we really shifted towards domestic mountain bike
program with the Clif Pro Team and I don’t have any other teammates, it was well hopefully there’s
little bit of budget left for some cross racing. So yeah, we figure it
out and I’m back here and just having a really
good time with it, as always. – Yeah, I mean, I don’t
want to jump too far ahead but you were just on the
podium at the last World Cup, so I think it’s going, it
seems like it’s going fine. – Yeah, I’m off to a good start. (laughing) – For just being I hope there’s
some money to get out there. Anyway, I want to jump back but some people don’t
maybe know Katerina Nash, so they might want to know where
did Katerina Nash come from? And I’m curious because your upbringing is really interesting. You started out as a young
woman in Czechoslovakia, and you now live in the United States. So I’d love to know a little
bit about your parents, how you get into sport
and what it is was like growing up in Czechoslovakia
during that time? – Yeah, so I was born technically in Czechoslovakia pretty early. The two countries split up into two, so I am still competing
for the Czech Republic and grew up in a small town on the border with Germany and Austria and my parents were pretty active. My dad was a soccer player and my mom, she can do any sport. She can play music, she can do any sports, she never really competed
on any high level but she could do a whole bunch of things and so I get my start through family hikes and camping and that kind of usual stuff and the one thing that
I joke about growing up in the communist country, that was really great was the fact that a lot of these parents they
didn’t have their own company, they had their jobs, they had to show up, so there was a lot of free time, so everybody was involved with their kids. So for me, I got involved with gymnastics and started to attempt ski club and it was great because
we had so many coaches, there was a closet full of
skis and if I wanted to do any kind of sport next
week, I could do the same. Just join the club and
there would be equipment and somebody take you out
and nurtures you to that, so that was really me
because we just as kids had these endless opportunities to play and I wasn’t, still not
the kid who’s going to sit at the computer or read a
book back then obviously, and so outdoors, that was my thing and that’s
what I’ve always been doing and to have that lifestyle
lead in to my career has been pretty awesome. So just quickly, went to a
Ski Academy for high school and led me to the national team
and I skied on the World Cup for a couple of years and then decidied to go to United States to the university and my, I got here on a skiing scholarship so that’s how I end up in the US and halfway through the college I ran out of my eligibility, I kind of made a return and
skied at the Salt Lake Olympics even though I was a full time
college student and skier. And then after that I was bike racing kind of for fun since since high school but never did it full time but I wanted to give it a try
and I felt like California might be a good place
and I looked for a team and I just, super, super
lucky to meet bunch of guys at Clif Bar and get on the team in 2002 and honestly I thought well, two years in college, was
just going to ride my back, well, finishing my degree
and somehow here we are 18 years later. – Yeah, having been to the Czech Republic, actually was the home of my
first World Championships in Tabor, which was super cool for me. Was in 2001 and that
experience of going there, it was totally surreal ’cause
that my first time in Europe but having been there multiple
times for the World Cup and for the cyclo-cross
culture that’s there, they had their own, I believe it was the Toi Toi Cup or series? They have quite a bit of racing. Every time that I’ve talked
to you over the years, you always, when you’re in Europe, it seems like you always go
back and see family and friends when you’re in town for the races. – Oh yeah for sure, it’s made both my summer and winter racing
so much more enjoyable because I don’t have to
sit in the hotel all week and maybe there’s little
logistics and little extra travel but it’s great to just go
back home and visit family and friends and I’m thankful
for a lot of the races in Europe as tiring as it can be to fly from California six times a year for both mountain biking and World Cups, yeah, it just helped me to get back home and stay connected to my family
and super thankful for that but I want to jump back
to the cyclo-cross scene and I grew up watching cyclo-cross on TV and it was like there
was no woman’s racing, and I always thought it
was the coolest thing ever but it wasn’t until I got on LUNA, that Alison Dunlop was
heading to cross races. I was like what? That sounds rad, like this is cool and then it took me another
few years until Georgia, Georgia Goult joined the
team and she was heading to cyclo-cross, so
really thanks to Georgia I got into it because she was going so I was I’ll come with you and we’ll just try and Gloucester was actually
my very first US GP. – Gosh, that would have
been a great first race. – And I was hooked. Ever since I was hooked and ever since I’ve figured out a way to do my summer job on the mountain bike
but play on the cross. – You have a dedicated crew that come out. They’re pumped that you’re there. This isn’t like oh, yay, come on. No, they have chants and songs and bongos and they’re so ecstatic that
you are from Czech Republic and that you’re representing
their country at this level. You have a crew. – Well the funny thing
about this crew is that, people always say that, (laughing) oh my god, this fan club over there, actually it’s pretty much all family. – That’s cool though, that’s great! – My mom comes from a big
family, three sisters, a lot of cousins and you know, we all kind
of live close to Tabor, so that makes it quite perfect. – That’s so sweet though. – A few years ago at the last
World Championship in Tabor, I mean both of them, I even
had my grandmother out there and it was spectacular
because you know how cold and miserable it gets in Czech Republic during that time of year
and she was a trooper. She just stayed out there the whole day and it was awesome. – How old is your grandmother? I don’t want to ask. – I have two, I have both
grandmothers actually, but this particular grandmother,
she turned 90 this July and I was able to go
back home early summer for surprise party, so it was pretty rad. – Just thinking out loud, so you’re one of the most
competitive older riders in the group right now but your grandmother is still
ripping it up at 90 plus. So we might not even be half way through. When you think about that, that’s got to be something, you’re man, I’m not even halfway through. There’s a lot to do. You have a lot of time here, just talk about longevity. – Yeah exactly. There’s a lot to do and
I should probably do some other things in life,
let’s put it that way. – No, please don’t, please don’t.
– As you know, man, the recovery just, it
just slows down drastically and it’s, at times it’s awesome ’cause you’re, well I can
train that many hours anymore but you also get to that point
you’re kind of frustrated because you can’t, so it’s a fine balance. – One thing that you talked
about that I think would be cool to speak on is the Clif Bar relationship ’cause you said you’ve
ridden for them since 2002. That is pretty incredible. I rode for Jelly Belly for 10 years and I didn’t change teams
and people always thought that that was pretty
unique to 2002 to now, that pretty much doubles that time. I would love for you to just
talk about them as a company. You guys have done so many cool things together over the years, initiatives, you’ve been
part of a lot of the things that Clif Bar stands for. I think that you are, you’re as Clif Bar as it gets. I want to know what it’s
like working for them and how everything that’s gone into that, I probably want to know what
your favorite Clif Bar is too? That one seems right! – Yeah, we could definitely talk about Clif Bar probably all day and what would the team has
accomplished over the years in kind of leading the charge
on supporting female athletes and having a big team and great teammates and we weren’t really just
involved in the racing even though that was the most famous and most out there program
but we also started the ambassador team which
was just essentially to encourage women to
exercise and sort of develop these little clubs whether it’s biking or triathlon or running in the major cities where
the entry into exercise or let’s say mountain biking,
you move to a big city and you have no idea what
to go mountain biking and it’s really, really
fun to have probably close to 300 members around the country. So there’s been so many things that the team was involved
with away from the racing and obviously Clif Bar, one of the leaders in sustainability and– – Big time. – They’re not doing one thing
during the strike yesterday, they’ve been doing it for 30 years. We’ve got to do it every single day and they’re doing it and so it’s great to be working with a company that cares on
so many different levels. It’s their community, their environment, their product, everything,
their employees, their athletes, and it shows. Yeah, I feel beyond
fortunate to be on their team for this long and I think they’re offering me another contract. (laughing) – Not surprised. Not surprised. I think unfortuantely the– – They can’t get rid of me! – Yeah, no. You’re there for the, I think you’re there ’til it clears out. Let’s jump into women’s racing ’cause you were talking about you have done a lot of
initiatives, I would say. You’ve done a lot with women’s racing. You’re also part of the UCI Commission. You’re pretty involved. You’ve also been there when it’s been, I’m just going to say,
when it’s been crappy. – Yeah.
– Right? And you persevered and I
like to think that it’s in better, much better place now. Viewership has continued to increase with the ability to broadcast these races and the desire to do it. Companies like where we are
now, here at Trek headquarters, they’ve put a lot into making sure that the women’s prize lists is equal. There has been quite a bit
of pushing this boulder, we’ll call it, up a hill
and making it go forward. So love to talk about when it was bad and the opportunities that you were able to carve out for yourself. I even saw that you’ve been
doing stuff with Little Bellas, I know you do stuff in
I think it’s Truckee where you are from. You’re doing a community programs there ’cause I see this all
in your social media. Maybe the second part of that question could be about the UCI? – Well, I would say, it’s definitely the best time to be a female
athlete I think right now. – I do too. – But the work is never done. It’s never done for racing in general. We got to keep making it better and looking after everybody
whether it’s the race promoters, the racers, the sponsors, the media, take care of everybody
because we all creating this content essentially. We’re just performers
and if we do good job then we can all just have these jobs where we ride our bikes. – That’s right. – And don’t have to sit in an office! So it’s interesting ’cause like you said I do, I sit on three different
commissions at the UCI now, so I’m getting the inside
look of what does it take to organize a race? I think most of us would
show up at the event. Everything’s looking pretty much perfect. There might be a sketchy corner. We tell somebody and they change it and by the race time it’s perfect and so you don’t understand
the process that goes into the event and I
think that’s been really powerful for me to see. I always knew but just kind
of being part of that process, it’s been really good and
I have huge appreciation for all the work that people do so we can line up at the start line and have a good conditions and safe course and prize money and all of that. So it’s pretty rad. And to put it into perspective, cyclo-cross prize money on the World Cup level is very good. Cyclo-cross is doing really, really well. Also at the C1, pay out, having said that, yes, we got to keep pushing for equality, for everything and with
the UCI having kind of outlined the payout schedule
over next two season I think that that gives
the race promoters a chance to sort of catch up with that expense because it is jumping drastically. I don’t know, it’s exciting times. I wish I was 20. That’s all I’ve got to say. – Yeah, it would be great, wouldn’t it? For all the riders that are coming up. It truly is ’cause you guys, you guys laid a lot of pavement, you know what I mean? You guys put a lot of
work into making that road for them to be able to
have a successful career. I feel the same way in
some ways for my own. – For sure. – But I think that’s the beauty. I picked up the ball and ran
with it and now it will be Evie Richards and Alan
Nobles and Annemarie Worsts that will now pick up the ball
and they’ll run with it more. – They will have to do the full work but yeah, I think it’s
like anything, you know? We fight on the course but we also have to make sure that everything kind of falls in place and that our work is meaningful and yeah, we can pick a sport where we all going to be super rich but you do want to have that
opportunity to travel the world and if you did well here, the World Cup’s in the United States you should be able to figure out a way to go and do a few more in Europe and not be maxing out your credit cards and stuff like that. – Yeah, not able to support yourself. – And honestly, I think cycling, and some people may forget it. We’re so fortunate because it’s not, it is your job for some of us but it really is not our job. These teams also help us to kind of reach these personal goals and do this wonderful, live this wonderful
lifestyle in a way, you know? I definitely encourage
some riders to be like, okay, the team didn’t make it happen. You make it happen. Like if you want to do it,
just go make it happen. I made it happen at cyclo-cross. I just wanted to be out there, I knew I wasn’t going
to make any prize money but I still went out there and did it and it’s great, it’s great to be in it now, and be like if I have a good
weekend I can make some money and it’s great and that’s what I think, honestly not just the prize money but where the sport has developed to. That’s why you see
people like me and Katie because we lived through a different era and now it’s just, we don’t want to leave. It’s so cool! – I know! I even felt the same way
as you spend a lot of time developing your brand. I can say that but it really is. You Katerina Nash or
Katy Compton or whoever, you guys develop a personality and a way and I think that people finally are able to be exposed to it and
then they want to be a part of what you’re doing. Do you feel now at this time in the sport that there is adoration and
that people have a much better understanding of you’re, like I said in my intro, you’re one of the most accomplished riders that I know personally,
you know what I mean? I think that that’s without question. You’ve been to the Olympics five times. I don’t want to keep this going but you always felt like
you were an athlete. But do you feel like that the respect now is being reciprocated and at least that story is told and people, they say hi to
you because they want to? Maybe in a different way than they did when it was the women’s
race as a sideshow. – Yeah, no, for sure. I think as the teams, as the
UCI, as the race promoter, everybody just kind of started
to introduce the women’s field. You need to get the story. You created stories and
everybody knows you. You’ve done a really good job. You’re the cyclo-cross
of the United States. Whether it’s here, or
Europe or in Australia. If somebody asks, name one US cross racer, it would be you. You put your story out there and you created this amazing content that people wanted to watch
and they wanted to learn about you and that’s what’s
happened with social media. People have a platform to tell their story and there’s always somebody
who will just connect on whatever that story might be. – For sure.
– There might be connection. And I think that the fans
are thankful for that because before it was just like, you had to wait for the magazine article and it was very, I don’t want to say censorship but it was, you know, you kind of told your story but the questions were prepared and you weren’t really
telling your complete story. So nowadays, you can and that’s why the fans
are so much more involved. They know a lot more about you. I definitely feel like yeah, people know me and they
respect what I’ve accomplished but I kind of like to fly
under the radar a little bit. It’s hilarious. – We’re not going to let that happen. – Because people don’t recognize
me at the airport, ever, and it’s the funniest
thing I’ve kind of enjoyed. Yeah, I like the both worlds. I wouldn’t go into–
– Take it or leave it. – Take it or leave it. I definitely like to talk about
just kind of the lifestyle. But there’s a lot of
sad moments in my life and I’m not going to drag you
through social media (laughs). – I totally get that, yeah, and that’s right, that’s
the same for everyone. I have bad days, I don’t
put that on social media and you don’t either. I get it, not everyday is perfect. That’s just how life is. It’s a highlight reel but it’s good ’cause I wouldn’t want
to read about someone’s, all their negative stuff. If I want to go on there,
I want to be pumped up. – Yeah, we have enough
negativity in the world. – You just read the news if you need that.
– Exactly. – I do think that it’s
really cool that someone, I think at this point, way more so because of the connectivity
of social media and because of the way
that we’re able to showcase our events and our talent. The ability for a young girl,
maybe here in Wisconsin, a young woman would be
able to see Katerina Nash as a successful 42-year-old,
41-year-old athlete, I’m so sorry, 41-year-old athlete that has had so much success, that has made a living
from riding their bike. I think that that’s really, that’s probably across the board. That’s beautiful, you
don’t have to answer, that’s not really a question–
(laughing) I do think that all–
– No and I, you know, I appreciate when people come up and they just, you know,
they kind of know your story and they want to just say
thank you for being here and for fighting in every
race and making it exciting and yeah, that’s what I enjoy. – Speaking of Instagram and social media, what about your dogs? I wanted to talk about that
’cause is it Lola and Ruby? – Yes.
– It has some pretty famous visitors or maybe
there’s been some requests to meet Lola and Ruby because I’ve seen World
Champion Kate Courtney. I’ve seen Peter Sagan,
all wanting portraits with their vizslas right?
– I don’t think they want it it’s more me driven, oh my
like, oh my dogs, really? – I like that story better though, that they needed this so they wanted to come to you. The fame monster of the dogs is pretty big.
– They’re pretty cool dogs and you know, I drag them everywhere. They’re a big part of my life– – Yeah, they’re your
partners, I can see it. I obviously love my dog so much and he’s my guy. – You have kids though, so that makes a–
– Yeah, it does but the dog is still on
that same level at moment. My wife, she would agree
that the dog is equally as big a part and I make it that way ’cause we’ve had our
dog for nine years now and it’s important that he still
has that same level of love I don’t want him to feel. He already is jealous. We already have this fight. But they seem like they’re your partners. You take them exercising with you. Whether you’re skiing, they’re
running, you’re riding, they’re out there with you. – Yeah, they don’t ride much anymore, they’re nine and 10. So they don’t love the bike
anymore, so I respect that. It’s funny ’cause I just, I mean for cyclists, I do so
much walking, it’s ridiculous. You know, I probably sometimes
walk as much as I ride on any given day and it’s because of
them, but I don’t know, we’ve had so much fun. – I know, you’ve a part
of your life with them. – I joke that like, they’ve been to so many places that like in maybe a month or two months, you know, they live in Tahoe, and
sometimes you go to the Bay Area, and we’ve gone to B.C.
and you know, whatever. I’m like most people would
just love to go on vacation to one of these places a year (laughs). My dogs don’t even know
how lucky they are. I don’t know, they deserve
it, they’re awesome. They’re my everything. – I want to read something
that another rider that we had on the
show, Maghalie Rochette, had said about you recently
in an Instagram post. I have to say, there’s a lot of stuff that comes out on Instagram that I read that doesn’t stick with me but this one, this one stuck with me. So I’m going to read it for everyone. – She’s a good rider. – So it’s a little long so bear with me. She said “winning a World
Cup has always been my goal, “but sharing a World Cup
podium with my friend “was a wild dream. “You work hard and long
to gain all that knowledge “and experience in cycling, “and it would be totally respectable “to keep it for yourself. “But Katerina Nash is different. “Ever since I met her,
she has always shared “tips, advice, and opinions with me. “She has yelled tactics during races. “We had battles in the past
and she told me how and why “she was able to beat me and
how I could’ve beaten her, “so I could learn. “She said she would never give me a win, “but that I’d have to earn it. “But she said that she
believed I could win, “and that I had to truly believe it too. “We’ve shared a lot of great moments, “many hotel rooms together, “but sharing my first World
Cup podium with Katerina “will always be one of the
most special moments for me.” And she thanked you as just being an amazing and incredible person. I think that that’s really
special and I just wanted to, I mean, I want to focus
on that you yelled at her during races, during
battles, and then afterwards would tell her how and why and all that. – Well, it takes a special
person to also listen, right? We’re talking a good age
gap between me and Maghalie and she came on the team and I don’t think she was even 20, you know? But some young riders,
they’re kind of like, I don’t say intimidated, but
they just kind of go about learning different way
but for her, from day one, she was never shy to ask and it’s an obligation to
share what we know, you know? You’ve probably made so
many mistakes in your career and you see your friend
kind of heading that way, wouldn’t you stop that friend and be like, actually, take a left (laughs). – Definitely.
– And I don’t know, I’ve really enjoyed it. I love being Maghalie’s
teammate and you know, it’s so fun to watch where
she’s going with cross and obviously, that first
World Cup win, it was coming. We all knew it but until
it happens, you know? You’re just kind of like, you don’t know, is it going to happen? So it’s been really fun to
watch her and yeah, I’m excited. In a way, I have this extra
interest in cyclo-cross when I’m maybe not out there because I know she’s going
to be around for a long time and do great, great things. And yeah, no, I’m always open. Like people ask me
about coaching and stuff and I’m like, no, no,
that’s too much work, but just come talk to me anytime. I’m always available. I will answer emails, I’m not in the place that I want to like coach
anybody and be in charge, you know, of their training and stuff because really, a big part of
my day is dedicated to cycling and when I come home, I just
want to hang out with my dogs or drink wine or you know, go do whatever, and just kind of forget the cycling part. Yeah, I’m always happy to talk to anybody. So all the young girls out
there, or guys, really, if you have any questions, don’t be shy, stop by the Clif Bar tent
at any of these races or reach out. I also sit at the UCI
Cyclo-cross Commission representing cyclo-cross racers and any kind of feedback is valuable. I encourage people and I’ll
probably put it on the Twitter because we’re going to
go into our next meeting. And so, don’t be shy,
come talk to me (laughs). – You’re extremely humble. I think that reading that
just kind of sets the tone for where we’re at. I think it’s really special. I think it’s cool, that was a great post. It definitely, like I said, read a lot things, that one
left like a little spot– – You know, we all know Maghalie and we know that comes
from her heart, you know? Which that’s really meaningful
– So cool. – And really cool and we were finally able to sit down, have dinner last weekend and that was so fun because
it felt like good old days, just hanging out with her. I just miss hanging out with her so much and we took different directions. She’s more cross and a different team now and I’m still on the mountain bike. I just mainly miss her, you know (laughs)? – I do, I do. – Could you tell in the race, I was like, wait, I miss you, why don’t you slow down? – That wasn’t the exact conversation I think you guys were having. I saw a bit of drool coming off you and I saw her with her mouth
wide open going as hard. But your great friend
that you helped bring up went on to win a World Cup
and you were the person that was chasing her down.
– Well, I can’t take all the credit for her work because then you’re like, I did that. See my girl’s here (laughs).
– Great, I helped. You had a small part
in that and that’s it. It takes a village, always. At this point, there’s so many
things we could talk about but I always want to
know if there’s something that is in your mind as you
really want to accomplish before, I know you’re going to start another contract with Clif Bar, I have no question that you’ll race for quite a few more years, and I personally would love
to see you continue on. Is there anything else in your mind that you feel like you need to
accomplish within the sport? You’re doing a lot. You’re doing all this
stuff with women’s cycling, you’re at the commission level, you’re doing great things representing us, which I think is so cool
that your peers elected you. I want people to understand that the UCI, you don’t just get selected by the board, your peers, we all voted
at, I think in Luxembourg, at the World Championships, all of the riders, we voted
to have someone elected, another rider, to represent
us at the UCI level. – And then actually from that, so there’s the Athletes Commission. So you guys voted me into
the Athletes Commission and then the athletes on the commission elected me to be the President
of the Athletes Commission, which sends me to the
management committee. So that’s kind of a big deal (laughs). – It’s a really big deal and I can’t think of a
better person to do it, being totally straight. Like there is nobody in
cyclo-cross, in my opinion, that has the depth and yeah,
you’ve just go so much depth. – I’m there to fight for
the off-road disciplines– – I love that. – We had plenty of front racing at the UCI and I’ve credibility in two
different off-road disciplines and it’s good to stand
up and fight for it. – I’m happy that you are there. You see it all and you’re there. You know, you see everything. So just that’s to say that you’ve already accomplished so much
and is there one thing that you go to bed at night thinking, wow, I’d really like that? I mean, you’ve had a
very fulfilling career. – Well for years, it was
definitely the rainbow jersey. You know, I tried really,
really hard and I didn’t do it in either one of those
disciplines that I focused on. I was never really that
close in mountain biking. I mean, I was on the
World Cup podium a bunch but I always fell apart
for Worlds for some reason. And cyclo-cross, I was a little bit closer but couldn’t really get there and yeah, I don’t even know
if I’ll do Worlds this year, to be honest. I probably would say that
that’s something that I just, you know, I’m okay with not having. It’s just not going to change my career in anyway at this point, you know? Probably don’t get better contract or worse contract (laughs).
– I don’t think so. – I don’t know, that’s
the pinnacle of our sport and I didn’t do it but I
gave it an honest effort for many, many years, and that’s all that matters, I guess. – Well, that was what I have. I think it was really
awesome conversation. I’m grateful that you came out with us and spent some time.
– Thank you. – And I want to thank you
for being on the podcast and we’ll see you out there. – Thanks for having me and thanks for putting cyclo-cross on TV. – It’s the best. Alright, thank you.
– Thanks. – That interview with
Katarina blows my mind. The fact that she’s, just think about that
with Maghalie Rochette. She literally told
someone how to beat her. I think that alone needs
nothing else to be said. That shows her maturity,
her depth as a rider, her amazing personality, and just who she is as a person. It’s fantastic to see
that type of camaraderie and I give her a lot of credit for all that she’s
accomplished in her career. That is today’s episode. I hope you guys liked it.
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