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Mountain Bike Vs Road: Who Is The Fittest? | GCN Show Ep. 333

Mountain Bike Vs Road: Who Is The Fittest? | GCN Show Ep. 333

– From Banff, Canada this is the GCN show. – Welcome to the GCN show
brought to you by Wiggle. – We are once again tackling
the biggest issues in cycling. This week, who’s the fittest, mountain bikers or road riders? – We’ll also take a
look at a brand new app which shows you the safest
roads on which to ride. We’ve got pro-cyclers
out there in the world saving kittens and news of the latest thing
to be banned in road racing. (upbeat instrumental music) (intense whoosh) This week in the world of cycling, we learned that Niccolo Bonifazio, as well as being a demon descender, is also an animal rescuer. – [Simon] Yeah here he is having
rescued an abandoned kitten that he found near a bin
bag next to a fountain. (laughs) I can’t say that with a straight face. I’m sorry. – Apparently after the kitten
bit him on that ride home he’s called it Nibbling. (trumpet) It’s the best we’ve got. – Great joke that, Dan, great joke. – We also learned this week that the Dutch and nature breaks at the Giro d’Italia appear to go hand in hand. You will all remember what happened to Tom Dumoulin a couple of years ago at the very race. This year Bauke Mollema
used his return to the bunch from a nature break to make a solo effort to warm himself up for the mountains, and then on Sunday, the
Jumbo-Visma DS Jan Boven was so desperate to stop, for the toilet, well he stopped at the
worst possible moment, ’cause he was exactly the
same time that Primoz Roglic was desperate for a new bike
after a mechanic on his one. – Yeah, fortunately for Roglic, teammate Antwan Tolhoek was on hand, they ride an almost identical size bike, and had he not lent him it, then Roglic, well, the 40 seconds he lost probably could have been
a heck of a lot worse. It’s a slight irony,
isn’t it, that poor Boven, having stopped for a
wee, then spent the rest of the stage completely
(sheep bleats) himself. – (laughs) Yes, he probably did. ‘Til he got back up there. Anyway, we also this week finally learnt that Mathieu van der Poel
is now the complete package. This year he’s already
won at the very top level in road racing and also in cyclo-cross, and Sunday for the first
time in his career, he one a UCI mountain bike
cross country world cup. – That’s right. World cyclo-cross champion. Winner in the world tour on the road, and now world mountain
bike cup round winner, all in the space of four months. And the weekend he was locked in battle with probably the greatest of all time, Nino Schurter, until the last lap, when he launched a stinging attack, a trademark stinging attack,
and left Schurter for dead. Well not quite for dead. But 19 seconds by the line
is pretty good going, init? – Yeah that is very impressive. Although, less than the time that he had to make up at the Amstel Gold Race in the last two kilometers– – Why, yes.
– Just one month ago. Which makes me wonder, is Nino Schurter in fact fitter than most of the rest of
the world tour roadies? – Well, to be fair, there is
quite a precedent, isn’t there, of top mountain bikers going on to have successful road careers. Peter Sagan, for one, I mean,
he was only world junior mountain bike champion 2008,
but we know what he’s done. – Yeah. There’s Cadel Evans as well, he was the overall mountain
bike cup champion, should I say. He went on to win the
Tour de France of course. And then you’ve got
Jean-Christophe Peraud, silver medalist at the Beijing Olympics in mountain bike cross-country, and then second at the
Tour de France in 2014. – That’s right. Pauline Ferrand-Prevot,
she was world cross, road, and mountain bike champ, all
at the same time in 2015, which is just bonkers, isn’t it, really? And she’d done that as a junior as well. – She had?
– Yeah. – And then more recently, Annika Langvad, she’s made her world-tour debut this year at the ripe old age of 35. She’s a five time world champion in the off road disciplines, and has been pretty successful
this year on the road. She was second at Strada Bianca, she was third at Fleche Wallonne,
and fourth at Amstel Gold. – Yeah, and then lastly, what about Jakob Fuglsang,
top man bike pro, and then this year he
cemented his road career with a win at the monument that is Liege. And in fact, he probably has to thank his mountain bike career for
this crazy display of skills. – [Commentator] Jakob
Fuglsang our victor and oooh, that was close for Fuglsang. – I wonder if he just
held that up through luck. – No, skills! Mountain bike skills. – Whatever. There are plenty of examples of successful mountain bikers going on to become successful roadies, but are there any that
have gone over and failed? – Well, yeah. I mean, there’s two pretty good examples of unsuccessful mountain
bikers who went on to become unsuccessful
roadies, sat right here. But, in answer to your question, I wonder whether Nino Schurter himself is actually the prime example. If memory serves me
correctly, back in about 2014, he very briefly rode for Orica Greenedge, for the Tour of Switzerland, and I think, he went on to finish, 53rd overall. And his best place on the
stage was just eighth. – From memory? I looked that up on pro cycling
stats before we came on. – Did you? Amateur. – Anyway, this year
there’s another example. Mathias Fluckiger rode for
the Swiss national team at the Tour de Romandie. He finished in 45th place overall, and on the hardest stage of the race, he was almost four
minutes down on the stage when Primoz Roglic. – Yeah, to be fair to him, it’s not exactly going to
be his season goal, is it, given that the world mountain bike cups are starting just a few weeks later. But still, it’s interesting to see. – I wonder if there’s more to it than that with the goals. I think it’s just a very different effort that you have to make as a
cross-country mountain biker, isn’t it? I mean, they’re enormously
powerful, but the delivery of that power is different. So slogging your way up
a slippery muddy climb at 500 watts is a very
different effort then trying to hang on to a strung-out
bunch at 60ks per hour at 500 watts. – That is very very true. There’s also the duration
of effort, isn’t it. If you look at, like, a power file of a cross-country
mountain bike race, you’ll see in the region about 35% of the time a rider is way above threshold putting
out way more power, but yet, for 30% of the time, they’re
not even pedaling at all. – [Daniel] No sustained effort. – [Simon] No, so you can imagine
why he’s going to struggle trying to hang on to Primoz Roglic for 30 minutes at 400 watts. – [Daniel] Oh, it’s true. Although there are people that appear to be able to do both. – [Simon] Well yeah. – Van der Poel being an example, this is not a long sustained effort, but in winning Amstel
Gold, he did 27 seconds as like a self lead-out where he averaged over 650 watts and 57ks per hour, and then for the last 16 seconds, he sprinted off the back
of his own lead-outs at 1200 watts average. – Leading yourself out to victory has got to be the pinnacle
of cool, isn’t it? 800 watts for over 40
seconds he sustained. That’s like 10 watts per kilo at the end of 260 kilometers. We also managed to find
some data for Kate Courtney, the world mountain bike champion, over on Training Peaks. So at the world champs last year, she put out 7.6 watts per
kilo for the first two minutes of the event, which again,
is completely different than road, isn’t it? But then, she went on to
sustain 6 watts per kilo each lap up the main climb. That’s pretty good going, isn’t it? – That’s very good going. When you look at those data points though, it’s pretty easy to understand why top-level mountain bikers do become in general top-level road riders when they put their mind to it. It just requires a kind
of transitional period where you learn the different skills. That said, I think what
can be a lot harder is going back in the other direction. – Well that’s very true, actually. An example of which,
Nicole Cooke, remember her? So she was Olympic road champ, multi-time world road champ, she was also world junior
mountain bike champ, and she, at the height of
her career on the road, tried to go back to mountain biking, and she struggled, like, she literally came straight
from being world number one to getting kind of like, I think it was struggling to
get in top 20 in world cups. – Really? – Yeah, I seem to remember that. – I can sympathize with
that, actually, Si. Because back in the year 2000, I competed at the world under-23 mountain bike cross-country championships. – Right. – I finished towards the back, but anyway, a few years later in 2005 whilst riding with Giant Asia, they asked me to compete in a cross-country mountain
bike race in Taiwan, and I was dismal. – Really? – It was a real shock to the system. – So you went from finishing almost last at the world championships for under-23’s, to being rubbish five years later. – Almost last, but a much smaller race. – Yeah. Well two amazing examples
there, Nicole Cooke, Olympic road race champion, and Dan both struggled to make it back. But to be fair, I mean it does
raise a point, doesn’t it, actually, that for a mountain bike pro to go over to road pro, you know, the talent is similar, I think, isn’t it, and the power levels are
similar, you just need to adapt. But to go back is tough because not only have you got to adapt for the power delivery, you also have those skills, don’t you? Mountain bike skills, they
are pretty tough to learn. – Well, skills that
really help on the road in many cases. – Well, yeah. – I mean, Sagan, being
a very good example. And you can pull a mean
wheelie, Si, can’t you? – Depends what you mean by me, but yeah. (groans) – Yeah, sorry I was just taking the mick. Right. Something else, on a
slightly different subject that we’re going to learn
about this coming weekend, is how pro road riders get on at an ultra endurance gravel race. You remember at the start of this year EF Education First announced they would also be competing in an
alternative racing calendar, which will include the Dirty Kanza, which is coming up on this Saturday. They’ve named their three
riders participating, we’ve got Taylor Phinney,
we’ve got Alex Howes, and Lachlan Morton, and
also competing there will be Pete Stetina for Trek-Segafredo, on one of the coolest looking bikes I’ve seen in some time. – That is super cool, isn’t it? Now, he, you’ll remember,
won the Canyon Belgian Waffle Ride recently, kind
of gravel-ish road event, on his aero bike, which is pretty cool. So yeah, it’s going to be interesting to see how they fare in
Dirty Kanza, 200 miles, and it’s a lot longer than
your average world tour race, it’s going to be like 11
hours for the winner, maybe. – [Daniel] That’s four hours
more than the longest monument, isn’t it? Completely self-supported, too, so that’s going to be different. – Yeah, yeah, no dabbling
in pickle juice, guys. – [Daniel] No. – [Simon] Even though it sounds disgusting and you might think it’s funny, if it’s an outside pickle juice hand-up, you’re going to get disqualified. – Yeah. And you’re going to blow-up the internet. Although do put some time
travel bars on your gravel bike. That will also blow up the internet, but it’s allowed. – Yeah. (laughs) (upbeat music) – It’s time now for your
weekly GCN inspiration, which is of course, your chance to win one of
three Wiggle voucher amounts. We choose our favorite three each week, and going in reverse
order, there’s 50 pounds of Wiggle vouchers for third
place, 75 pounds for second, and a whopping 100 pounds to do with whatever you want over on
the Wiggle online shop, if you win. – That’s right. In third place this week, this one is local to Lloydy, that’s right. Velo DLG posted this from Sopley in Dorset in the United Kingdom. – [Daniel] No favoritism
here, we only saw the location after we’d chosen the photo. But yeah, Sopley, about a mile away from where I grew up in a
village called Bransgore. Amazing stuff.
– Well there we go. There we go, cycling tribute for you. – I do love the lane, what I like about the U.K. is that the lanes are so nice to ride on because they’re really quiet,
so many to choose from, what detracts from the U.K.
is of course the weather, which is why most people
head off to New York on sunnier climbs. But that day looks like
there might be rain on the horizon, but for the time being– – Give us a rainbow, mate, I think you could safely
say it was raining. – Moving on. – Yeah, still, there we go. Well deserved 50 quid. Right. This one, Mitchell, takes
second place with this from New Orleans in Louisiana. That’s cool. Not a rain drop in
sight there, look at it? – [Daniel] No, there isn’t. That is also very sunny
with the shade, isn’t it? I like a photo like that. I’ve attempted to take them myself but quite unsuccessfully,
as you can imagine. – [Simon] That’s what you look like even without a shadow, isn’t it? (laughs) – Oh, very good, Si, very good. – Thanks. – And then the winner this
week, shall we drumroll? (drumroll) From Volker, what a name. This is from the Jebel Jais mountain, which I think hosted a mountain top finish at the Abu Dhabi tour, the
UAE Tour as it was called. Final of the 20 kilometer
descent down Jebel Jais into the canyon. – [Simon] Whoa. That looks cool. – [Daniel] I mean, quite
a lot wider than roads around Sopley, but slightly
more spectacular actually, I guess they’re equally spectacular when you look at the scenery. – That doesn’t hold a
candle to British lanes, I mean look at those beautiful rock walls and pristine tarmac, and you know. – Yes, yes. Anyway, well done to you Volker, I will get those 100 pounds
of Wiggle vouchers over to you as soon as possible. Before we finish with
this segment though– – Yes, we need your help. – We were going to include this photo, which we saw from Andrew
over in New Zealand, but we couldn’t work it out. – Yeah. Is this Photoshop, Andrew? We’re not, we’re kind of
simpletons when it comes to things like pictures, aren’t we? It’s a wicked photo, but
we can’t understand it. And we didn’t want to award you a prize if you’ve basically done
it on your computer. – All the comments like,
can’t believe you gave some vouchers to a Photoshopped photo. – [Simon] Yeah. So Andrew, if you can prove that this is a legitimate photo, you’re in the money next week, but, yeah. – [Daniel] If you can put
into words simply enough for a couple of simpletons to understand, then there might be a
prize for you next week. Reminder, how to enter, in fact. The hashtag is GCNinspiration
over on Instragram, or you can do as Andrew did there, and use the uploader, a link to which is in
the description below. – The thing is, mate,
it looks like a raindrop fallen off a sign, but
why’s the sign upside down? And why’s the, so what if
you turn it the right way up, then it’s not a raindrop anymore. That’s what I can’t get my head around. (trumpet music) – It’s now time for cycling shorts. – Cycling shorts now, and
we’ll start with a story from Forbes, who are reporting a new app for cycling called BikeLite
that is a navigation app, but it plots the safest
routes through cities. – Navigation with a difference, basically. This was something that
Paulina Barria the creator was driven to start up
after the unfortunate death of a friend through a collision. She got her team to develop an algorithm which helps riders to
avoid the fastest routes and instead go down bike
paths or quieter streets or parks, basically streets that have got less than a 30 kilometer per
hour maximum speed limit. Now, interestingly you
can also upload your own data which will then add to the algorithm, to keep you safer out there. – Yeah, sounds really cool doesn’t it? I think I’ll be checking that one out. Now last week, we reported on that survey of the best cities in
the world for cycling. Well, the United States
census has delivered a list of the most popular
cities in the U.S. now for cycling to work or to school. And now there are some unsurprising names at the top of that list, like Palo Alto, Santa Cruz, Boulder, but number one by quite
some margin, is Davis, which is just outside
Sacramento in California and there, 20% nearly, of all the population commute by bike. – Unbelievable stuff.
– Yeah. – We actually asked you there at home if you could fill us
in on exactly why Davis has got 10% more commuters
than the second place Boulder, and we got a reply here
from Andrew Besold, who said they’d been
working on making their town a bicycle paradise since the 60s, help that it’s a college
town and also flat. They have designed their
town to have cut-throughs that are only for bikes and pedestrians. They’ve also strategically
placed their schools around town, so that all
attendees are expected to get there via either bike or walking. But also, says that even the main streets are more than safe for
experienced cyclists to navigate around. – That’s like, bit of the
Netherlands in California. And I’ll be honest, I confess, I’ve never heard of it before. So he actually suggests that we stop by if we’re
at the Tour of California, so I think we should, mate. – Well, he says it’s worth making the trip just to go to Davis. So maybe we will one day. – Yeah, absolutely. Right. Now, some interesting
news from here in the U.K. when it comes to racing. Now who here winces every time they see a seasoned professional
using imaginary tri bars or pedaling on their top tubes? – [Daniel] Me. – Yeah, 100% unanimous from right here. – [Simon] Understandable
really, given how sketchy it looks when you see riders
doing that on television. Fair enough if you’re a world tour pro and you’re full time and paid to do it, but then it always
filters down, doesn’t it, to non-world tour riders, who want to copy their heroes. – Yeah, except, Dan, if you’re trying to race
the Lee Valley Youth League. Yeah. Now we’ve not heard of this before, but it seems like commissaires there are actually going to put a stop to riding on imaginary aero bars or
pedaling on the top tube. – Which has got another thumbs up from both of us here, isn’t it? – It did, it did.
– Bear in mind that we’re both approaching
middle age rather rapidly. – Well you described me at my age as the ripe old age
earlier on in the show. – You’re 35. Well I’m the ripe old
age of almost 39 now, so would you believe it. Anyway, we would like
to know if you’ve heard of this taking place in any other races. Or indeed, sportees. Have you seen them ban
that position before? – Yeah, right. One last little nugget of
information for cycling shorts, and this one comes courtesy of the American Thoracic
Society Conference, 2019. – It was absolutely brilliant. I’ve never been to Dallas before, but I’m definitely going back in 2020, it’s already in my diary. – Really? Well there you go. We now know where Lloydy was last week. It’s a shame you couldn’t report back live from there, wasn’t it? – No I made notes, though. – Did you? Okay, cool. ‘Cause this is a paper that
was presented there, wasn’t it? And it actually looks
into sleep deprivation in ultra endurance cyclists, or rather one ultra endurance cyclist. – [Daniel] It did, yeah. They basically followed
a Race Across America record breaker, and the
conclusion at the end of it all, that were power naps are enough for you to produce a
super human performance. They also then concluded though, that that lack of sleep overall is not detrimental to
concentration on the bike. Which seems like a bit of a leap. – It does, doesn’t it? I’ve kind of got to take
exception with this. I can see how to a non-cyclist, being able to ride for 11 days straight with only a total of seven hour sleep, which is bonkers, can
lead you to the conclusion that you must still be
able to concentrate, because you’re able to ride a bike. Except to a seasoned bike rider, you know that you can pretty
much ride a bike in your sleep, but what you can’t necessarily
do is ride a bike safely. And that is what the researchers kind of should have maybe looked into on the finish line. – Apparently, if you want to compete at the Lee Valley Youth League, you need to prove that you had
at least eight hour of sleep the night before. – Is that right? Sleep deprivation outlawed as well? (drill buzzes) – It’s time now for
hack forward slash bodge of the week and hot on the
heels of saving kittens, we had this sent in from Rich. Walking through Center Square and came upon Noli perched on her bike. Her owner rides around 75
miles per week with her. – [Simon] Well, is that saving a dog? Or is that endangering a dog? I mean, it looks like a fairly
effective safety harness on there made out of pipe lagging. Oh to be fair, I can imagine that being
quite good fun if I was a dog. I’d be up for that. – [Daniel] Yeah, there’s
an airbag on there. – [Simon] Yeah, right. Donald sent this one in from South Uist in the Outer Hebrides in Scotland. – [Daniel] Wow. – [Simon] He said,
heading to the sand dunes for bank holiday. And he wanted to ride in his road shoes. – [Daniel] Bodge,
immediately, that’s a bodge. – [Simon] Yeah. – [Daniel] First time
I’ve seen that photo. – [Simon] I wonder why you don’t just carry stuff in a rucksack. But never less, effective use of space. – Dehydrated, I ended up, right? – Well, it’s often not
that hot up there is it, so you’d be all right. – Next up from Benny in Valencia in Spain, cleaned up my white cycling shoes and thought they needed a splash of color. Spent only 12 Euros at a hardware shop, some spray paint and mostly masking tape to create some cool personalized shoes. – [Simon] That does look
pretty cool, doesn’t it? It looks a little bit
like when you’ve ridden through a muddy puddle,
except multi-colored. – [Daniel] Yeah, hack or bodge? – [Simon] I don’t know, mate. – [Daniel] Well, the problem is, after a certain amount of time, it can be hard to get them
purely white again, can’t they? – [Simon] Yeah. – [Daniel] Although it kind of looks like they’re a bit dirty now,
like they were before. – [Simon] It’s kind of cool, isn’t it? I’m all for shoe customization, but that was a fine pair
of shoes to start with, so, you know, jury’s out. Let us know what you think
in the comments section. Right, next up. Tom Sawyer, my mate Adrian couldn’t fit his keys in his saddle bag while doing the tour of
Connemara this weekend. Is this a hack or a bodge? – [Daniel] I don’t know,
is that a key ring? – [Simon] It’s a pair, I think. – [Daniel] Pair of what? (laughs) – [Simon] Oh, well, anyway, I mean that is a bodge, isn’t it? – [Daniel] Oh my word,
that looks horrible. – [Simon] Yeah, just. – [Daniel] Keep them
inside, something, please. – [Simon] No one wants
a wrinkly pair hanging from his saddle bag. – [Daniel] Next up, we
saw this one of a rider watching the Giro d’Italia whilst out on a training ride. That was sent in by Chris Froome. – [Simon] Well, Chris,
that’s an absolute bodge. We definitely, definitely
can’t advocate watching tv while cycling. – Although, he actually put quite a funny reply to somebody, saying, “Well if anybody can be safe “whilst looking down at their steer “on their road bike, right, it’s me,” which I thought was
brilliant from Chris Froome. – Yeah, good bounce, Chris. Right. Ben Ward, is this Simon
Richardson’s hot looking bike seen in Bristol today? Room for a certain Daniel
Lloyd on the back as well. No, that’s not mine actually, although I do fancy a hot bike like that in the middle of winter. – We’ve had a similar submission before. And I’m going to use
exactly the same joke. Not sure if it’s a hack
or a bodge, but it’s rad. – Yay.
– Yay. – The thing I’m worried about there mate, imagine riding that, and you
know, every now and then, I haven’t for a while, but you slip off the front of your saddle and you end up on your top tube. Imagine ending up on a radiator. My word, that doesn’t end up well. – Best have them on the
outside of your saddle bag in that situation. (laughs) Right, next up from Jim Read. I discovered one of the
grips of my old cycling shoes had worn away complete,
rummaged around the spares box for something to replace it, found an old V-brake pad, glued it on, let it set overnight, soldered. – [Simon] That is good, that is a proper– – [Daniel] Is it? – [Simon] Yeah it is. No, seriously this is a bit nerdy, but, back in the day, back when I was racing mountain bikes, and I used to want to use road shoes, I don’t know why, and
you can’t use road shoes with a cleat like that, but if you glue on some
side supports, you can. So I used to do that back in 2005. – [Daniel] But the road shoes
have got three bolt pads in there too. – [Simon] But not back then they didn’t. – [Daniel] Did they not? – [Simon] No, back then they
used to have double bolts. Nike Poggio 2s, they
used to do that, yeah. – Let us know in the
comments section below if you believe Si. (Simon laughs) Well that’s all for this
week’s hack and bodge. The usual way of submitting
your photos for that one is hashtag GCNhack over on social media or you can use the uploader. There’s a link to that of course, below. – This face always tells
the truth, just saying it. (upbeat music) It’s caption competition now. That point in the show
where we give you a photo and you have to write an amusing caption in the comments section. First thing we will do
the winner of last week, where they’re going to get their hands on a GCN camelblack water bottle. This was the photo, Primoz
Roglic on the podium doing his trademark ski jumper thing. Have we said that he
was a former ski jumper? – I don’t think we have. I didn’t find out myself
until a couple days ago. – So basically, Primoz
Roglic, would you believe was a former ski jumper. I know. And now he’s leading the Giro. Well he’s not leading the Giro, but you know what I mean. – Right, anyway. The winner of this week’s
caption competition is Tim Bishop, who put, “Don’t worry, “no podium girls were ‘armed
in the making of this picture.” – Yay. (rimshot) – Well done Tim. Send us your address over
on a Facebook message and we will get this or a GCN camelback water bottle out to you as soon as possible. Probably one that you
can use on your bike. – Yeah, really, podium girls should be out of arms way completely shouldn’t they, and just not on podiums anymore. – Oh, don’t go there again, mate. We did that before when
we got absolutely blasted in the comments, right, by all the people. – Yeah, we did. Anyway, there we go. All right. This is the photo for this
week’s caption competition. You all ought to get
your teeth stuck into. That’s Richard Carapaz
who is actually leading the Giro as we film
this, giving Hugh Carthy a little tap on the hip there. – Looks like he’s getting a toe. Right. I shall start you off this week. – Come on mate, we’ve been waiting for it, ’cause last week was rubbish. – From the mouth of Richard
Carapaz, “Thank Hugh.” – What? – Thank Hugh. It’s a pun on his name, Hugh Carthy. It’s not bad is it?
– Oh, I see. – Thank Hugh. – [Simon] We’ve been waiting
two weeks, you’ve been over at the thoracic convention in Dallas, and that’s the best you can bring back? – It is. I think that the viewers would agree that was pretty genius. – Well let us know, viewers. Stick it in the comments
section down below. And we’ll pick a winner next week. Probably not Dan’s. (upbeat music) – We’ve got some really
cool content coming up for you over the next seven days. Before we tell you what that is, we’re going to read out a few of our favorite comments
from the last seven. First up, underneath last week’s GCN show, Mark Luke wrote in, “Old
man’s corollary to rule 14: “it doesn’t get any easier,
you just go slower.” – That does seem to be true, doesn’t it? – Something else I can
sympathize with, actually. – Yeah, actually, got to say, it’s like irony to
talkin’ about which rules last week weren’t crap. And I don’t know quite how I did it, but I got the numbers muddled up. So, apologies to those
of you that really do follow the rules, ’cause. – That must have really
annoyed them, didn’t it? – Yeah. You could see that I made
a massive mash of it. So anyway. Yeah, apologies, I don’t know what I did. Right. Under the toughest stage
video where Hank and Ollie tried as best they could
to follow the route of stage 16 in the Giro, Jack42Frost said, “You lot are getting a
bit good at the production “of your videos,” which
is very kind of you. We probably shouldn’t be included in that, should we really, Dan?
– But we haven’t been mate. ‘Cause they haven’t said anything about the, in front of the camera there. It’s the production. But no, fair play, and we
should give a shout-out to those behind the camera
and behind the computer, because they are stepping
up each and every month, and it shows, doesn’t it? – Yeah. – Back at our old videos. The world of cycling is
just about to get a hell of a lot less complicated. (laughs) Right, well, underneath the Italian job, Alan Waterworth said, “Italian super bikes “but no sign of Colnago or Campagnolo, “like deep crust pizza,
Italian by name only.” – [Simon] Yeah, true. It was pretty controversial, that. Not a single Campagnolo
component on the mountain that day. Jayson Schultz said, “What
could be more Italian “than a Bianchi? “A Bianchi with Campagnolo not Shimano.” To be fair– – [Daniel] They’ve been riled again. – Well yeah, but it was just kind of well, yeah, no one’s
sent us any Campagnolo, so make of that what you will, viewers. – Finally, underneath
Lotto Soudal Truck Tour, AlphaAce15 put, “Jon
Canning plus truck tour “equals more than 10 minute video.” He likes to go in depth,
he loves his tools. – Yeah, it wasn’t until the Lotto Soudal that he came for the
dinner four hours later that they finally got
him out of the truck. (laughs) – Unlocked it for him. – That’s right, yeah. – Right, coming up on the
channel this week then, starting on Wednesday,
where we’re goin to show you how to train using a heart rate monitor. – Oh yeah. – And speaking of going
old school, on Thursday Ollie is riding a vintage bike and kit in the beautiful Dolomites over in Italy, which is another fantastic
video, I have to say. – Well yeah, Campagnolo fans, you will be familiar with
the Croche Damine, I’m sure. – And you might be disappointed with what he’s riding, or not? Or you can’t give anything away? Anyway. On Friday, as ever we’ve
got ask jeeves anything. – On Saturday, we tackle
a fairly recent question, actually, lycra versus
baggies, which should you wear for cycling? Then on Sunday, finally, may as well put this one to bed, can one bike do it all? – Oh you’ve done it now. – Well, no, I’m still going
to do the race on Thursday. But it’s a project I
started some weeks ago and then got injured, and then anyway. I’m finally going to finish it off. So keep your fingers crossed. – Do you want to say where the race is so people can come and cheer
you on the side, or not? – Well, I’m hoping to
do the Castle Combe race on Thursday night, so, please, would anyone whose fit or remotely fit stay away and I’ll see if I can get round. – And if you do go
there, Si loves a selfie. (laughs) Feel free to go up to him. Monday of course is the racing news show, which will be wrapping up the
final of the Giro d’Italia and then we’ll be back in
the set this time next week for the GCN show. (upbeat music) Nearly the end of the show,
and you know what that means, it is extreme corner. – That’s right. And coming up this week, we
have, well quite frankly, stolen a cracking bit
of video from our mates over at GMBN. This is Martyn Ashton’s new Random Tandem, where this week, Rob Warner
gets to sit on the back. – Are we actually going to go off road? We’re not going to go off road
on this contraption, are we? – No, no, no, we won’t go off, we’re just going to go fire road. – All right, go on then. – I can’t steer you mother (sheep bleats). – That’s it. You’ve got it, you’ve got it. Oh that’s lovely. That’s lovely. – Power, it’s the power. – Yeah. – I don’t think it is. – It is. It’s got to be. That’s lovely. – Oh I know, can you
put the seat up a bit? Oh there we go. Oh that’s better. – Oh there we are. – Right, look at this. – It’s easy. – We haven’t ridden together
for quite some time. – How do you feel when I do this? – Don’t do that. – Well, you know, better this. – Watch out! – All right, I’ll keep it straight. – What idiot got me involved in this? Ah, dude, dude. (crosstalk drowns out speakers) This is insane. (laughs) – Too fast! – Ah, such a cool video, that. You’ve got to make sure you check it out. Even though it is a mountain bike video. – Yeah.
– But, you know. – Well, part of a series, actually. So if you’ve got any
suggestions for who you’d like to see on the back of
Martyn’s random tandem, then please let us know
in the comments below or contact GMBN. – Yeah. Right. Now, before we leave, we’ve got a little announcement from the GCN shop. We’ve told you last week about our new kit in, our new fan kit, so that is the jersey
which looks super cool. And then this, check it out. Is a matching base layer,
matching vest for it. – I don’t think I’ve ever
had a matching base layer in my life. – No, I haven’t either. So. – Anyway, they’re all available over at, where you’ll also find some
Italian-inspired merchandise, before the race ends, Si’s
sporting some of it now. You should find a link
to the shop actually on the screen right now. – Yeah, also, never forget, GCN Events, we’ve still got a few
places left for GCN Avoriaz, and GCN Salbaach, which
are at the beginning and the end of August, respectively. – I’ve been working my karaoke too. – Have you? – Well worth coming along to. – (laughs) Yeah, there we go. Right. Do make sure you check out
the toughest stage video if you haven’t seen it already. Although the Giro stage is
actually today, isn’t it, that we’re filming, yes? – And not as tough as
what they tried to do. – No. There’s a great bit of
insight in that video, so make sure you have a look. (intense whoosh)

100 comments on “Mountain Bike Vs Road: Who Is The Fittest? | GCN Show Ep. 333

  1. Is Mathieu Van Der Poel just an exceptional rider or is cross country just too different from road racing?

  2. My personal experience tells me that in a road race peloton, the riders who demonstrate great skills and abilities often have an extensive MTB background. Also, I am NOT saying that all MTBikers are skillfull because that would not be true… Mtbiking has thought me many many skills and has humbled my sorry ass dozens of times… 😏🇨🇦

  3. If you want the true local experience in Davis go to Burgers and Brew on 3rd and C. If you happen to be there on a Thursday after 21:00 then go to the E Street Plaza and watch the local fire dancers practice.

    I used to live in Sacramento and work in Davis and I commuted 31 miles round trip almost every day. Best shape I have ever been in.

  4. Re podium girls, I do think the Giro having them leave lipstick marks on the winners' cheeks feels ridiculously sexist.

  5. I think the ban of the "puppy paws" position is coming from British Cycling not just Lee Valley. The commisaires in a cat 3/4 crit I was in last night told us that it wasn't allowed before the race started.

  6. Hi team, Andrew here who took the photo. It’s 100% legit! Taken on Nikon digital slr with 105mm macro lens and the ball is a lensball(TM) sitting on the sign. Only thing done is to turn the image upside down! Cheers

  7. The lycra vs baggies argument is an interesting one – in advance of the video – particularly as the UCI are having to place laws/restrictions on the downhill world cup as the tops and trousers were getting or are getting tighter and tighter. But God knows how one can specify bagginess or size given various sizes of riders!

  8. The picture with the ‘raindrop’ is real Guys . He used a lensball and swapped the picture upside down😉. To my opinion the picture looks great!!

  9. I just bought a pair of Giro Altalux road shoes that have three-holes for road cleats and slots to bolt on mtb cleats. I have another older pair of Diadoras that are the same setup.

    Neither are high-end shoes, but since I cannot get out of regular road cleats or SPDs because of my toes pointing outward, I use Shimano multi-release cleats, that I can release by either rolling my ankle, or yanking up, hard.

  10. ..and Podium Girls are great. The entire world needs to take a deep breath and find a suitable proctologist to remove the collective cork(s) from their asses. PC gone mad. What's wrong with a kiss from a pretty girl? Sheesh !You millenials are out of control.

  11. The weird thing in Andrew's picture could be a transparent sphere: it acts as a convergent lens and focusses an image, upside down (so he probably rotated the picture… But that would not really be cheating) Cool.

  12. Hi I jus got into Cycling , Bought a road bike from academy sports and outdoors. What do you suggest about upgrading parts on the bike.

  13. I was really impressed with Davis' bike friendly set up when I visited. Did their double century ride one year, and am not at all surprised to hear that they have such a high bike commuting population.

  14. When you take a picture through a rain drop, the optics naturally flip the image. So he just flipped it in post so the rider is upright. Just like looking through any globe. Image will be inverted.

  15. I race pretty regularly and I was in a Cat 1/2 road race awhile back on a hilly windy course and we were chasing down a breakaway, I was about 4/5 wheel and the rider who was 2nd wheel.. NOT 1st.. but 2nd wheel was resting his arms on the bars, even being shouted at to stop he continued… we went harder and he was dropped before we caught the break!!

  16. Another one how made a successful transition from mountain bike to road cycling is Fredrik Kessiakoff from Sweden. He won one MTB world cup race and took bronze (2007) at world championship. After switching to road racing he won 1 stage at Vuelta a España (TT), the GC of Tour of Austria (2011) and held the King of the Mountains jersey for 8 stages during the 2012 Tour de France.

    One not so successful transition is Ondřej Cink who return to mountain biking after just one season.

  17. Nike Poggio 2?! Nike made some hands-down amazing bike shoes! I'm riding a pair of Poggio 4's UL since I started riding in 2012! Well over 100.000 miles on them, still haven't found the right shoe to replace them.

  18. Simon, I agree in fact I'm tweeting about it right now. Podium WOMEN (they're not girls) should not be used as props on stage following race wins. Anyone thinking otherwise is stating that that's a woman's place, beside a winning man. The ideology is perverse & pervades all aspects of our societies. Nowhere else is this accepted except in sports. Men have domestiques on their teams bring water & food the entire race, but the winner needs two kisses & a woman to hold an empty champagne magnum WHY?

  19. As to whom we wish to see next on the back of Marty's E-tandem?? Firstly it'd need to be someone half brain dead to get on a tandem behind a downhill racer. As that doesn't eliminate many GCN presenters (Emma's no longer here), we are left with who we'd like to see cry for their mother??? That pretty much leaves Ollie as the obvious choice 😉 👍

  20. Podium girls could still be ok if the ladies podiums have podium boys in Speedo’s.
    I volunteer to do the Job! 😊

  21. Caption: 'What you playing at? Get your hands off those 'tri-bars'…the commissionaires are cracking down!'

  22. The photo from New Zealand is, quite clearly, a glass sphere resting atop a sign. The sphere inverts the image so the photo has been presented upside down in order to make sense. The lenses in our eyes do the same thing but our brains re-invert the image so we don't feel like we are walking around upside down all the time.

    Give the man a voucher.

  23. FYI the doggy paws position (elbows on the bars) is specifically banned in all road racing under Cycling Ireland Rules.
    "37.1 In all Road Races including Criteriums riders must not at any time ride with either of their forearms on the tops of their handlebars." Penalties can range from warnings to a 3 min penalty in a stage race or being DQ'd in a singled race

  24. Its not Photoshop. Its a glass ball on top of something , he is using a zoom or macro lens . Glass ball's fips image's around so to make it up right he/she flip the camera upside down
    example the blurry thing in the back is the guys hand and bike upside down

  25. There are lots of crazy positions that seem unsafe, but really is the froomey less safe than the Caleb Ewan sprint position? I mean there is this crash that gets close to a semi, but there are also lots of other ways cycling can go bad

  26. 18:39 100% waste. just pedal with your regular shoes. you don't need a perfect pedal. it will work fine.

  27. No Photoshop in the crystal ball photo – he used something like this:

  28. Caption: Rule 16 – // Respect the jersey.Championship and race leader jerseys must only be worn if you’ve won the championship or led the race

  29. Regarding the safe cycling app, it seems like there would be a place for a kind of Waze cycling app whereby people can comment on roads or bike paths due to their safety, speed limit, surface quality etc. If something like komoot or strava could build that in it would make planning routes a lot easier as it would pool all local knowledge of roads on the internet.

  30. I always think these comparisons are hilarious. Lets put some pro road bikers on enduro bikes and let them loose on an EWS course. Would be very entertaining.

  31. A couple of shows ago you mentioned Ottavio Bottecchia, founder of the Bottecchia bicycle brand and the first Italian to win the TdF. His story is way more than that, placed 5th at the 11th Giro as an independent rider, born in and lived most of his life in poverty, he was an anti fascist who smuggled anti Mussolini pamphlets in his bike, possibly one of the grittiest riders and more.
    Fortunately his name lives on the bikes made in his name.
    There are of course a huge number of impressive back stories among the greats of men's and women's cycling, his is certainly one of them. Sadly he was found dead on the roadside at age 33 the victim of a tragic accident. Hard not to agree that "Bottecchia was a revelation. His name will stay inseparable from the Tour de France."
    Miroir des Sports, 21 June 1927.

  32. In the GCN Inspiration section, you misspelled Louisiana. The caption had it as "Louisana". Love the show.

  33. 12:46 Even if it weren’t a photoshop I don’t know of a sphere that can do that kind of clarity without so light being reflected off it.
    Feels sketchy man.

  34. For the banning on Forearms on the bars. Local road race here in Oxfordshire, BC commissionaire during the pre ride briefing said we would be pulled out of the race if we were seen doing it.

  35. U17 categories in Quebec also ban riding on the top tube and fake tri bars, in fact they even ban taking both hands off the handlebars, which can obviously be very dangerous

  36. This should be fun, as a road biker, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Mountain Bikers are more fit? My experience is those guys coming to the road seems to go quite easily for them. Now….onto the video!

  37. Shoes in the water bottle holders: no way, that's a hack, that's awesome. C'mon guys, I shouldn't have to explain while avoiding a backpack is nice. 😛

  38. In U14 XCMTB we must have our hands on the handle bar the whole time so no draping over the bars and no hands on your fork crown. But you can for bottles or if you win

  39. Doesn't anyone remember the specialized video with Burry Stander vs Andy Schleck? Seemed pretty clear on that one!

  40. also, now we have an update. World Tour Pros get dropped for 100 miles by Colin S in 2019 Dirty Kanza!

  41. About the image in question, it's probably a glass ball that photographer like to shoot through for effect. When the light passes through it, the image become inverted.

  42. I ride road,xc,cx,downhill and commute on a 35pound hybrid bike plus I weight train and work hard labor jobs. I'm 6'5" 165pounds 6% body fat.

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