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Peter Sagan, All Style And Not Enough Substance? | The GCN Show Ep. 262

Peter Sagan, All Style And Not Enough Substance? | The GCN Show Ep. 262


– [Both] 2 k’s to go at the women’s TDU. Welcome to the GCN Show – Welcome to the GCN Show. Coming up this week, we discuss whether cycling superstar at the moment Pete Sagan is actually all style and no substance. – We uncover new tech,
including the latest and greatest wonder material
for bikes, nanocellulose. Alberto Contador makes
a return to cycling, and there’s a whole lot more as well. (intense electronic music) – This week in the world of cycling, we learned that cycling, talking, and ice are not necessarily a great combination. – Let’s just leave it there, shall we? And find out what happened
a little bit later on. – Yeah, let’s do that. Also in the world of cycling this week, we learned that, while gravel bikes can take you to places far beyond your conventional road bike,
i.e. into the wilderness, with that comes an
element of responsibility, for example, helping sheep. (upbeat banjo music) – [Cameraman] Hey, nice one, chaps. – GFN, or Global Farming Network, probably isn’t gonna be
coming to a screen near you. – Is it not? I mean, shame. – Not with us at the helm,
anyway, I don’t suppose. – No. This week in the world of racing, through, is very much business as
usual down in Australia. Amanda Spratt backs up her win from the Tour Down Under last year with a second consecutive
one this time around, and Pete Sagan won the opening men’s race in the form of the
People’s Choice criteria. – Yeah, given that his last race was about the world championships in 2017, which, of course, he won, that really is business
as usual, isn’t it? Seems, at this early stage at least, like he has emerged from
the winter all guns blazing. – Well, given the glimpse that we had into his gym routine quite recently, I don’t think that fact
was ever in doubt, was it? (Pete grunts) – True. I still can’t quite believe
my eyes with that video. Now, the cycling world
is, without a doubt, enthralled to the talents of Pete Sagan, and like most cycling fans,
Dan and I have actually been discussing whether or not he is, in fact
(triumphant music) the greatest rider of all time. – No, was the quite emphatic answer to our discussion, wasn’t it?
– Categorically no, yeah. (Matt imitates trumpet) – Which led us to then discussing whether the current
Sagan fever is basically all down to style, and none
of it down to substance. I mean, if you just leave aside those three world championships
titles for a moment. – The unprecedented feat of, you know. – Yeah, but it’s only unprecedented because they were
consecutive, because actually, four other riders have won
the world championships on three occasions before him. – True. Or the five green jerseys,
obviously, the Tour de France. – Yes, but Erik Zabel won six, and they were off the bat, consecutive. – Very good point, actually. So he’s not even the greatest of all time in the green jersey
competition, the Tour de France. – So the next question
we asked ourselves was, what would Sagan actually
have to do to become a GOAT, or the greatest of all time? – The answer is really quite simple. He’d have to win all three of
the grand tours at least once. Considering he’s got one
Monument already to his name, he’d only have to win another
18 to beat Cool Eddy Merckx. – Huh? – Well, that should be
quite simple for him. – Absolutely. – There’s a lot of debate
though, and quite rightly so, about the differences
in the sport of cycling between the ’60s and the modern era, and whether utter domination is actually a lot harder now than it was back then. In fact, I would say that
Merckx-like domination is impossible in the modern era, however talented you are. – I think I’m inclined to agree, actually, so maybe we should reframe the question and put it in a fairer context. Are there even any cyclists currently racing who are greater? I mean, Valverde, controversially perhaps, has a greater set of results to his name, even though he has been racing for a greater number of years. Mark Cavendish, perhaps. He’s got one Monument to his name as well. Only one world title, but
then that staggering number of Tour de France stage victories. Then let’s just say that it’s just as well that Boonen and Cancellara
have recently retired. – That is true. So it’s quite evident then that, in pure results terms, Sagan
is lagging behind somewhat. – Do you want to tell him, or shall I? – Well, he surely will
watch this, won’t he? So he’ll know.
– Yeah, right. – So what, then, you have to ask yourself, makes us all think that he’s so amazing? Because we all do, don’t we? – We do all think he’s great. I think, for me, Dan, firstly, it’s just ’cause
he’s so exciting to watch when he’s racing a bike. We don’t normally celebrate second place very much in cycling, but
the number of near misses that he has amassed is testament to just how hard he tries to
win races with panache. – Yeah, that’s very true, and also, it is quite remarkable, given how fast he is as a sprinter, how many times he decides to go on the
attack in the closing stages, to whittle the group down, or even to try and win the race solo. In fact, though, I think that style and that skill is a big
part of greatness, isn’t it? It’s what makes Pele the greatest, for example, or Ayrton Sellar. – Okay, so point one then, he’s great because he loses as much as he wins, but when he loses, he loses with style. He’s not sat at the back of the bunch. Secondly, I think, he’s not afraid to mix things up, is he? Cycling is a sport of rules, more rules, and then a few extra rules
that aren’t written down just to be on the safe side, but he’s not afraid to break them, or maybe he just doesn’t care. – Like not shaving his legs, for example. In the greater spectrum of life, that’s not a particularly big deal, is it? But in pro cycling, that is huge, the world champion turning out to his first race of the season
with three month’s worth of leg hair growth, wow. Didn’t expect that, did we? I mean, there’s also his
amazing flowing locks, and the shaving off of said long hair. – And the beard. – Yeah, and the beard. I mean, they’re great, aren’t they? There’s also, though, his accessibility. I mean, he’s very good on social media. He makes quite a lot of
videos which are cool if slightly quirky and perhaps, I say, slightly weird as well, but he’s also very good
at keeping his fans happy when he’s not at races. – [Si] And also keeping
fans happy at races as well. – To be fair, most pro
cyclists are reasonably happy to have selfies with fans a little bit. Sagan is just a bit different somehow. He’s got an extra something, something special which I think does mean that he is great. I think he’s destined to make
a long-term name for himself in cycling and beyond cycling. – Yeah, maybe the results don’t
matter that much after all. He’s not the next Eddy
Merckx, that much is clear. Maybe he’s like the next Mario Cipollini, only with a stable relationship and more of a social conscience. – Well, we’ve not seen
him naked yet, have we? Thankfully.
– It’s only a matter of time, mate. He’ll get naked. – I can’t help but think that, in terms of pure results, he could be the next Marianne Voss. – He’s got a long way to go before he gets to Marianne Voss, but actually, I like that comparison because she’s got that whole
road, off-road thing going on, and I personally would love
to see him keep balancing, or do more balancing,
of road and off-road, ’cause that way, that’s
the path to true greatness, dynamic, exciting, genius. – Oh, we’re being kind to the groovy, Si, as much as I hate to admit it. What we would like to know, though, are your views there at home. Where do you hold Pete Sagan in your hierarchy of cycling champions? And do you think it’s
wrong that he’s judged against the likes of Eddy Mercks from a completely different era? You can let us know, as ever, in the comments sections just down below. – You could also answer
the question, actually, is it style over substance? ‘Cause I don’t think we’ve
actually answered that yet. Is it style over substance? – You answer it in the comments. (trumpet music) – It’s now time for Cycling Shorts. – We shall start Cycling Shorts this week with some good news, and that is that Alberto Contador is back, not as a competitive cyclist, but rather as an expert commentator with
our friends at Eurosport. – Yeah, great news, that, isn’t it? Well qualified for the
job, gonna provide some fascinating insight, I’m sure,
for Spanish-speaking viewers, although, actually, if you
do ever need a translation from Spanish to English, you just gotta ask Lloydy, haven’t you? – Written at the top of
the down tube there is (speaks in foreign language) That means, “Love is power.” (both laugh) – Yes, yes, thank you for reminding everyone about that again, Si. Also in the news this week
was some good news for us. – Really? – Yeah, well, actually, not
for us right now because, as we previously established
on another GCN Show, neither of us, in fact,
are currently middle aged. – That’s true, that’s
exactly what we established. – No, Google told us that. – Yeah, Google also told
you it was, “Love is power,” so it can’t always be trusted, mate. – Well, that is true. Anyway, for people who are
in that era of their lives, i.e. middle aged, it really is good news because a study that was
published in Circulation. – [Si] Ah, one of our favourite journals. – It’s in our top five, isn’t it? Showed that those people can reverse their heart disease risk through exercise. – Yeah, that’s right,
fantastic news, isn’t it? Now, the study did focus
on people who were healthy but did not have a history of exercise, but the sweet spot, apparently, is 30 minutes of aerobic exercise four to five times per week, and that was then able
to reverse the risks associated with heart disease for people that had had years of sedentary living. – Yeah, very good news indeed. – Fantastic. – It might sound nice and simple though, doing 30-minute bike rides, but the fact is that, in the winter, particularly here in the UK, you would spend longer getting ready and cleaning yourself and
your bike up afterwards than you would do on your bike. – That is true, actually. And, in fact, getting changed
in the winter sometimes, like putting certain overshoes on, actually, that pretty much
counts as that aerobic exercise, isn’t it, by the time get them on. – Well, it does. It would do for your cankles anyway. I find them easy to get on. His ankles are looking big though, look. Your ankles are looking thicker
with the altitude as well. – My ankles? – Right, so more good news now, this time for the
residents of San Francisco. – This really a week
of good news, isn’t it? – It is, yeah. Some new Ford branded bikes are about to hit the streets of that city. Now, as you very well know, Si, San Francisco is notorious
for its very steep streets. – [Si] It was quite hard
to lug my ankles up there. – You made it, though,
you made it look hard too. As such, it’s probably
not the best-suited city for your standard quite heavy city bike. Ford had obviously realised this because they will be adding to their fleet of city bikes in April with 250 e-bikes. – That is pretty cool, isn’t it? Even better is that there’s
actually a scheme there that enables people on low incomes to get unlimited access for
a year for just five dollars. – Oh, wow, that is great, isn’t it? – That’s proper cool, isn’t it? Now, actually, the UK’s own hilly city, or one of them, Sheffield,
are getting their own fleet of public high bikes as well, although, unfortunately,
first bit of bad news, there’s no E in front of this bike. You just got to pedal it. – Oh, that’s gonna be hard. You say that’s bad news, but it’s actually good
news for middle aged people who haven’t exercised much
in their lives so far. – There we go, positive spin. Right then, it’s now time
for our Chris Froome update. (electronic music) Dan, any news? – No, nothing on the salbutamol case, but there is a bit of news. He has been uploading all of his rides to Strava since the start of the year. These are quite incredible
rides, I have to add, and he’s also crashed. – Yeah, no broken bones,
just a bit of skin missing. One of those rides that
stuck out for me was, in fact, it was 225 kilometres long, 2,000 metres of climbing,
and he averaged 38 k an hour. – Whoa.
– Yeah, which leads me to think that, perhaps,
there was some kind of motor pacing going on. – Well, it needs to be
flagged then, surely. – Exactly, there could
be a bit of controversy in that world this week ’cause
they flagged that, sharpish. – Right, speaking of Chris Froome, do you remember a couple of years ago, he posted that picture where he’d got severe sunburn after
riding in South Africa? – [Si] I do, yeah. – Well, Louis Meintjes
of Team Dimension Data has taken that to another level. Have a look at this picture. (Si shouts)
How painful does that look? – [Si] Man alive.
– If you see Louis, don’t be slapping him on the back. – [Si] No, don’t. Man, he looks like a Danish flag. – A Danish, or hot cross
bun, one of the two. – Yeah, crikey. He might not be the pro in the most amount of
peril this week though. Check out this Tweet from Koen de Kort. That’s a pro in peril. Look at that. – Do you think he was a bit unnerved by being in that situation? ‘Cause it’s quite hard to tell from his facial expression there. (electronic music) – Tech of the week now, and
the Consumer Electronics Show took place last week. There were a few bits
of interest to cyclists, although I will confess, Dan, I do think a lot of smart
tech feels a little bit forced rather than actually genuinely servicing a need from cyclists, but there was this little nugget from Trek that I think will definitely be of interest. – Yeah, there was. They are working with
Ford and Tome Software on a bicycle-to-vehicle
communication system. The idea being that your bike will then be able to alert cars, and in particular self-driving
cars, of your presence. – Yeah, ’cause
vehicle-to-vehicle communication is increasingly becoming a thing whereby cars can use a
certain type of software and cellular technology,
or something called direct short-range communication, to actually converse with one another, but until now, vulnerable
road users like cyclists have been left out of this conversation. – Thankfully, though, that
now looks set to change. Trek and Tome are hoping that this could become an industry standard, which would be quite useful, wouldn’t it, given the struggles that
autonomous cars appear to have with us unpredictable cyclists. – Some cyclists, I think, are probably more unpredictable than others there. Right, now, some more tech news that’s of a very futuristic
type, this time from Finland. Nanocellulose is the new wonder material. Its uses are many and
varied, but basically, it comes from wood pulp,
and in the case of bikes, it can be made into a material with very similar
properties to carbon fibre. – Like this one, the
world’s first, in fact. This was produced by a
company called ideas2cycles who have found a way of winding
nanocellulose into tubes, then joining it all
together using carbon lugs. – Yeah, a long way to go, I think, before the whole bike is made
out of sustainable materials, but it seems like a pretty positive start. – It does, and thankfully,
unlike other cellulose research, this one doesn’t come
from reused toilet paper. – Yeah, it’s a brave new world, Dan. Right, moving swiftly
back to the present day, and Kask have just released their new aerodynamic road helmet called the Utopia. They say that it’s the most aerodynamic road helmet that they’ve made, and I think it looks
pretty cool, to be fair, and actually, more importantly,
they say that it is cool ’cause they worked hard
with their partner Sky in order to make sure that it was usable even in hot weather as well, and they say they’ve achieved that. – Hm, well, Norwegian neo
pro Kristoffer Halvorson has put a lot of those
things to the test already. It was very hot for the
People’s Choice Classic in Adelaide, so he put that to the test. He was going very fast in
the sprint near the end. He put that to the test as well. – He was looking aero. – Unfortunately for him, he also put the safety features to the test, because he had this very nasty crash, but it was one of those
awful crashes, isn’t it, where you just know you’re going down quite a long way before
you actually hit the deck. – The type of crash, Dan, that’s quite fresh in our
minds, actually, isn’t it? – It is. (electronic music) – We will keep the racing
news brief this week because, well, Dan covered
most of it yesterday in the new GCN Racing news show, and also John “Chocolate
Voice” Beavan brought you a race report for the People’s Choice as, in fact, he will be bringing you race reports from each stage
of the Tour Down Under. Make sure you check out those videos if you haven’t already. – I heard John warming up
for his voiceovers earlier. – I bet that was quite nice. – Dreamy, absolutely dreamy. Now, what we would like to say though is huge congratulations to Amanda
Spratt of Mitchelton-Scott. She backed up last year’s Tour
Down Under overall victory with another one this time around. – Yeah, I’m so happy, and it’s thanks to these girls. They did an amazing job
with the last few days, and great win for the team. – In fact, it was an incredible
race for Australians. Not only did they win
the overall with Amanda. They also won the teams classification, the points classification, the King of the Mountains classification, and all four stages. In fact, the only thing they didn’t win was the youth classification. That went to Grace Anderson. – And where’s she from again, Dan? – New Zealand. – Huh. So southern hemisphere, one, northern hemisphere, nil. – Well, that’s southern
hemisphere about seven. – Yeah, okay, good point. We would also like to give a very big, heartfelt GCN congratulations
to Katie Compton. She just won, and I pause
because it’s quite remarkable, her 14th consecutive national
Cyclocross title on Sunday. – [Dan] That is an absolutely
incredible record, isn’t it? – [Si] Bonkers. – I mean, I’ve got no idea whether this sort of thing has been done before somewhere in the world, maybe it has, but what I’m pretty sure of is that that won’t ever happen again. Well done, Katie. – You know what we should’ve done, Dan? Having thought about it, instead
of trying to rescue sheep and not fall off, we
should’ve asked Jeremy Powers to have ordered a wattage bazooka, seeing as it was his
idea in the first place. (marching music) (gun fires) – Now, let’s stick with
the world of Cyclocross for a few more moments because it appears that the
elite side of Cyclocross might be about to have a
little bit of a shakeup. There have been rumours
that there are proposals for a new Cyclocross super league. – That’s right. The idea is that there are currently so many different leagues
and classifications going on that, actually, the general
public are so confused that they are stopping to
go and actually watch races. – And losing interest,
which I think is fair enough because we get confused with
all the different series, don’t we, and it’s our job to cover them. – Exactly, so the proposal is that the 25 biggest races will join up to form this new super league with one easy to follow classification. – That sounds interesting, doesn’t it? Although not everybody is in
agreement with these proposals, for example, former world
champion Bart Wellens. He claims that these
reduced attendances at races are simply down to the fact that it’s far easier, warmer,
and more convenient to sit on your sofa at
home and watch the races live on television, and he also fears that some of the smaller races might fall by the wayside
if they’re not included in the new super league. – I think he’s right, actually, with that, but you do also have to say, well, maybe something does
need to be done because, well, let’s put it quite starkly. We’ve got the World Cup,
we’ve got the Superprestige, we’ve got the DVV, we’ve
got the Sudow Trophy, we’ve got the Brico Cup, to name but five of the classifications,
so you could see how they could simplify it ever
so slightly, don’t you? – Controversial, though,
if you’re suggesting some smaller races get put by the wayside. – Well, I know, and to be fair, one of the best things about cyclocross is how often we get to see the
big hitters racing, isn’t it? You wouldn’t want to see that change in any way, shape, or form. – No, let us know your thoughts on this. Do you think that the
elite level of cyclocross needs a complete revamp, or is
it absolutely fine as it is? I personally just think we need some more Vanderpools pools and (mumbles) so that it’s more like the women’s racing where you get different winners each week rather than the two same names. (drill buzzes) It is time now for hack
forward-slash bodge of the week. This week, we’re actually
starting with an update. You might remember this
work stand from Jakob, which was over his bath. We did inquire on the GCN Show about what his bath looks like after cleaning his bike.
– We were pretty concerned, weren’t we, Dan, about
the state of his bath. – Well, he showed us. This is what it looks
like when he’s finished cleaning his bike, and that is exactly why 30-minute aerobic bike rides in the winter just aren’t worth it, are they? – No, our concern was well-founded. That bath does not look like
it’s in good shape, does it? – No. Next up, we had this as
well, from Iulian Roariu. He has designed a 3D printed mount on which he can mount both
his Wahoo Elemnt Bolt, and also his light. – I like it, Dan. It is very neat. We always applaud
centrally-mounted lights, but I have one slight
reservation about this. One of the whole things about a Wahoo Bolt is that it saves you one and a half watts over its competitor from being super aero, and I just wonder whether he’s lost a little bit of that,
maybe, with this mount. – [Dan] Yeah, well, he could file the end of those bolts off to
start with, couldn’t he? – [Si] Well, exactly,
that’s 0.1 watt there, so maybe that can be, like, prototype one, and prototype two could be… – The aero one.
– Fully aero, yeah. – [Dan] Work to be done. – [Si] Back to the drawing board, please, but otherwise, it’s hack, and a good one. – [Dan] Next up, we have
got a one-by bookshelf. Well, not the whole bookshelf, This comes in from Chris P. Dunn. – [Si] A bookend, I like that. – [Dan] That’s the word
I was looking for, end. It’s a bookend. Yeah, that looks pretty good, doesn’t it? – [Si] Yeah, I like that. Maybe get a bigger chain ring. Maybe you can borrow one
of Tony Martin’s old ones. – 58, yeah.
– Yeah, just so that you’ve actually got some real support for that quite weighty-looking
tome on the end there. This one, well, this looks remarkable, sent in by G. Chusenfu. I’ve probably pronounced that perfectly. It’s basically a river raft with a bike on the middle
that powers a propeller. – What I like is, the first comment, or the only comment, in fact, on his post, it says, “You drive
this thing with a bike?” Somebody just can’t believe it. – What accent was that, Dan? – It was just my own voice, I thought. Didn’t even mean to do an
accent, as I can’t do them. Next up, from Citizen Velo, I’m gonna call that a Poc plant. He crashed his helmet, but
rather than throw it out, he’s turned it into,
well, a pot for a plant. – Good planting scheme there. I like the cactus. Right then, this one, we always like a nice, attractive bit of
bike storage inside the house, and here we go, Foursthreesandsixes
sent in this one. That looks cool, doesn’t it? – [Dan] It does. – [Si] Clearly a big
fan of Giants as well, so that’s a TT bike, an Aero Road bike, and a cross bike, by the look of it. – [Dan] I hope he’s a giant too, to get to that top one,
must be quite high up. – Hey.
(drum music) – Don’t forget to keep sending in your hacks and bodges
’cause we really do love looking at all of them
each and every week. (electronic music) We are now moving on
to caption of the week, which is your chance to get your hands on a GCN CamelBak water bottle. We have a winner to announce
from last week’s photo, that winner being Stephen Crane. His caption is, “Kristoff
asks if he looks all white.” (drum music) Kristoff, all white? I like that one. – You gotta be pretty
witty to get your hands on one of these GCN
CamelBak water bottles. – Yeah, you do. – Genius. Right, this week’s photo for you to get your teeth stuck into, is
this one of Koen de Kort. – Oh, we’ve got another photo of him. – Yeah, he looks a little
less terrified this time, marginally, perhaps.
– And a slightly forced smile. – Yeah, it is. Right, Dan, come on.
– Yeah, I’m gonna get you started on this. – Flex your caption muscles. – Is that a snake on your head, or are you just pleased to see me? – Right, well, yeah. So obviously, the floor is now yours. Get involved in the
comments section underneath, and we will pick the best one. – Yeah, and you will win a
GCN CamelBak water bottle. – Take your hands off that, Dan. You’ve not got it this week. – I forgot to say to you, Stephen Crane, as the winner of this week’s caption, get in touch with us on
Facebook with your address, and we’ll send the bottle out to you. – Right, a bit of an upgrade now from CamelBak water bottles. We’ve got, woo-hoo, the results of our Fizik Infinito R1
Movistar edition shoe giveaway. In fact, we’ve got three
pairs to give away. – And therefore, three winners. I think it’s time for a drum roll. (drum roll) Our winners are Michael Furmann, sorry to other Michaels, Toby Atkins, and Petter Evertsen. – Congratulations to you three. – Yeah, we will be in touch
with you on this occasion, and we’ll send these out very soon indeed. I’m quite jealous, or are we getting some? – I think you’ve just got
to remain jealous, Dan. (electronic music) Right, before we get
onto what is coming up on the channel this week,
we thought we’d take the opportunity, as we always do, just to go over some of
our favourite comments that you have left underneath
our videos from the past week. Actually, I think we’ve gotta say, the GCN Racing news show, episode one, comments overwhelmingly positive. SwedishHouseFifa, nice one from you, “Old school GCN news
show without the cringe.” That’s a reference to our earliest days. – I’m sure people are still cringing, just hopefully not as many. – Welcome back. You’re watching the Global Cycling Network with me, Simon Richardson. Right, fair enough, an then a lot of comments about Dan’s hair. Joshua Heaton said, “I didn’t know Jedward “were appealing for a third member.” – [Dan] If you don’t know who
Jedward are, look them up. There was quite a lot of lift last week. I’ve tried to tone it down. – To be fair, Dan, the
majority of comments were overwhelmingly that you still have the very best hair on GCN. – Yeah, I used to enjoy reading those, but I’ve been thinking about it, and I’m not sure that’s
much of a compliment. – No, I’m afraid it isn’t
much of a compliment, but anyway, there you
go, still bossing it. – On the channel this week, on Wednesday, we have a new video on how to climb, but this one is one with a difference because it’s from someone
who really can climb, a certain Emma Pooley, formerly
of the Cervelo TestTeam, don’t you know, and a recent winner of the Taiwan KOM Challenge, and of course, a world
champion in the past as well. She certainly has the credentials to teach you how to climb. – It turns out, there are a lot of Cervelo TestTeam stories
that we still haven’t heard. It’s been a particularly
eventful couple of days. – It’s been brilliant to swap anecdotes. – This one time, the Cervelo
TestTeam, it was so funny. – Right, on Thursday, we have our top five iconic bikes of all time. Don’t forget also that John Beavan will be bringing you highlights
of the Tour Down Under each and every day that it’s on, so from Tuesday through to Sunday. – And on Sunday, we have
got a big feature as well. Dan and I got to have a
look at those 650B wheels with larger tyres on, and
it’s been interesting. Thoroughly good fun, not to mention saving sheep and all that other stuff. – They’re not very good on ice, are they? Or are they? – Ooh. – We have to wait and see. – Yeah, not long to wait now. Monday, GCN Racing news show episode three with Santos Tour Down
Under results, I guess, amongst other things. – And the Tour de San Juan International with Fernando Gaviria, amongst others. Of course, on Tuesday, we’re
back here with episode 263. (rock music) We shall conclude with Extreme Corner. Now, we haven’t told you this yet, but our man from Tech
Channel, John Cannings, is currently in Adelaide
for the Tour Down Under, and whilst there, he has uncovered quite a secret skill, actually, from Team Trek-Segafredo rider Fumi Beppu. – Well, cracking skills on show there. That is extreme, but
not as extreme as this. – Re-base. That wasn’t what you
were expecting, was it? – No, it wasn’t very extreme after all. – Held it up, thankfully for Si.
– Nice save, Dan. – Yeah, otherwise, you
would’ve been down as well. High five.
– Yeah. Pure luck. – Before we leave you,
if you’ve enjoyed it, you can give us a thumbs up
just down below this video. If you haven’t visited our shop recently, you can do so now by clicking on the link, and there, you will find,
amongst many other things, our brand new hoodies and sweatshirts. – Yeah, I’m a big fan of
these new colour ways, that’s for sure. Right, do make sure that you head over to the GCN Tech Channel
if you haven’t already, particularly this week because, as Dan’s already said,
John Cannings is out at the Tour Down Under,
and he is sifting through, with his eagle eye, ’cause he does have an eagle eye, doesn’t he, through all the pro bikes out there to find the very best tech
that there is on offer. There’ll be videos coming
up on that channel, as well as the tech show, which I believe will be coming from Adelaide. – Yeah, maybe you haven’t seen last week’s tech show just yet. Si and John are talking about one-by. – Is it a compromise too far? That one is just down there.

100 comments on “Peter Sagan, All Style And Not Enough Substance? | The GCN Show Ep. 262

  1. What makes Sagan one of the true great is that he has style AND substance. He already has the palmares to belong in the list of the great cyclists right with Cancelara and others. It seems ridiculous to say he has no "substance" when he has 5 green jerseys, and was only robbed of a likely sixth due to a controversial ejection from the TDF. Three consecutive world championships? Man, I wouldn't mind lacking substance as extremely as Sagan apparently does.

  2. Peter Sagan is all substance and style. He is the GOAT off the road in cycling because of his personality and how he can be such a trent setter. (is that a word) He is defo my fave

  3. I think it's wrong to call anyone the 'greatest of all time' as they haven't competed against anyone from other eras and should therefore be called 'greatest of his/her time'

  4. I think of Peter Segan as like the Valentino Rossi of cycling, in terms or flair and his ability to entertain the masses. That'll be the reason he is remembered….

  5. Sagan has both. After the hits cycling has taken with Armstrong & nor Froome, it needs someone to admire even if he is nit Merckx or Hinault. He is exactly what we need right about now.

  6. Guys, is it just me, or is Global cycling network really slowly changing into Global vegan network:D well done rescuing that sheep 😀

  7. Sagan is substance and style. Pure panache. He beats sprinters. He beats classics men. He even beats climbers from time to time. And if he isn’t winning, he’s just behind the winner on so many stages, which is remarkable consistency. It is super exciting to watch him race not only because of his superior skills but he always puts on a show. He is clearly the best of his generation with many more wins and points than other greats at his age. If this keeps up, he will indisputably be among the top handful of riders ever. Plus he’s so cool off the bike. Inspires me to ride my bike.

  8. Hmmm I sincerely hope GCN being ironic when commenting that Sagan is style over substance. Yes he is stylish but also an awesome cyclist. Style is nothing without substance and Sagan has both by the shedload.

  9. #askgcn what are the benefit of training to your heart? After a few years of cycling, are you supposed to have a new maximum HR? A tendancy of a lower HR for the same amount of effort? A lower HR in general? What are the sign that you are in the right track and not in fatigue? Thanks alot GCN!!

  10. That was a great save, Dan, so glad you didn't fall. But I was feeling the rotator cuff pain for awhile. And I think everyone has captured well the Essence of Peter. And I suppose I would add that a great memory is made when our favorite sports stars are as nice in person as we would hope them to be, if only for a moment or two of chat and an autograph. And Peter personifies that most exciting of racing styles, go for broke. And kudos, GCN, on the viewer introductions, I enjoy all of them, like the kids at the start of this episode and especially the ones last week, the rider in the storm and those California beach boys, was that funny or…what? And hey, we need a new greeting from Speed Racer, the one with the flip-down visor. I hope he is still out there chasing us all down. Or at least chasing down Racer X.

  11. Cycling stuff that is too tired and has run it's course:

    The Velominazis
    Anything called "punchy"
    "Welcome to the GCN Show!"
    Phil Gaimon's cookie fetish
    Fans wearing costumes at races
    Men wearing shorts that are too long
    Women wearing shorts that are too short

  12. Sagan just strikes me as the sort of bloke who when he has finished training for 12 hours a day, gets on his bike to let off steam. He shows in everything he does that he totally loves the sport, the people in the sport and his desire for flair is amazing. Maybe one of the greatest role models of our era? That really sets him apart from Valverde and Armstrong.

  13. Really interesting that you guys have framed the Sagan question as a zero-sum game, that if he's got style then he can't have substance. That's been the issue with Pro Cycling pre-Sagan, people thought you had to take cycling super-seriously (ala Armstrong). Sagan proves that you can have both style and substance, which is what makes him so attractive to fans.

  14. Sagan is a legend in his own time. Agree with everything you said but I wonder if you did the stats on how often he finishes in top 3 when he races? I suspect he may be the best of all time on that count, he's mostly there at the end – and in today's ultra competitive environment that has to be huge.

  15. Sagan is certainly ONE of the GOAT, and his dominance is evident in how the entire peloton works against him in the one days. And three world championships BACK TO BACK… that's quite a feat.

  16. I just don't get how cavendish is a better sprinter than sagan he has never won a TDF since sagan enter the game, and there weren't intermediate sprints yet, and cavendish don't have 3 uci world champ titles in row, and won't have ever, I just don't fully understand these people, there won't be any cyclist ever like sagan, and there never was a sagan before so at least be glad you have born to watch him make history. Idiots

  17. A Unique combination of phenomenal mastery of the bicycle and very likable style – not full of himself – seems genuinely humble and a a lot of fun to be around.

  18. While power of all riders of all times is measured in watts Peter Sagans power is measured in horse power. There was, is and never will be anyone like Peter!

  19. peter is not easy to describe in a sentence the way gcn has tried to do in this title, he represents much more than in the current world of cycling

  20. I understand that people in the UK are talking about making helmets compulsory. I get that helmets seem overkill for a quick, short ride in the park, but overall you have to treat the issue like seat belts in cars. It's a good time to listen to the experience of doctors treating traumatic brain injuries. Whatever the current group of adults think about using helmets, making them compulsory will protect the next generation of kids now and as they become adults. However, this discussion should not excuse the government from a discussion about increasing safety through cycling infrastructure and legislation. The mandatory passing distance laws have been very good in the states and territories that have used them in Aus.

  21. "The two same names winning every week"25 wins to Mvdp 2 too WVA .. I'd say it's only one guy winning really !!
    If they want to change anything in cross make it easier for us in the uk and abroad to watch the races as we are starting to win regularly pidcock,Richards and the two tulitt brothers!!

  22. Results aside, I can point to one personal experience to prove Peter Sagan's place in professional cycling. I was sitting in Libby Hill Park watching the final moments of the 2015 World Championship road race on a big screen TV set up there, and the thousands in the crowd were chanting for Sagan. This large audience was predominantly American, but certainly had an international presence, and there was no doubt at all who they favored to win!

  23. DAN! Great save, bro! You guys could use this as a piece of a "How to…" video for crash avoidance tactics, handling recovery efforts, or something. While Si pawns it all of to luck (albeit I'm sure some was there) – you did a text-book job of slip recovery: quick foot out for balance & possible push-off, knees bent, weight centered, no over-braking but feathered, and after a short oversteer you pulled it back to steer towards where you want the bike to go… all allowing for a recovery mere SECONDS BEFORE EATING THE CORNER OF THE STONE-WALLED BRIDGE SNEAKING UP TO THE EDGE OF THE ROAD – WOW!!! Smile, face, & let's face it, even the hair would've suffered…not to mention a hospital stay most likely for the rest of your bodily injuries as well. Seriously, this could/should be part of a useful video on ride techniques/skills on what to do to avoid a crash when __ happens.
    Very well done; glad you & Si averted disaster there!

  24. Absolutely Segan is my ultimate favorite. I don't think that it makes any difference to whom he is compared with. For this current era, he wins and looses with class that is truly unparalleled. Just my opinion. Great show gents!

  25. Sagan IS the greatest. He has all it got, the wins, the close wins, the losses and the attitude of a real champion. Mercx was a ruthless winner, but not a great person. Sagan combines being cool, wining and taking himself not serious all the while supporting others and having fun.

  26. cyclocross is a bit like your European Football, so many leagues ,cups tournaments etc. Hard for a newbie to grasp who the real champion is.

  27. There is an update to the Froome story which you have missed, hes claiming he had kidney issues which cause the Subutomol positive. http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/chris-froome-reportedly-set-to-argue-that-kidney-problem-caused-adverse-salbutamol-test-365861

  28. Sagan seems like he has a good sense of humor and is a decent guy. People like that in a sports personality. Plus lets face it he is a good looking guy, and that does not hurt.

  29. this video shows why Pete is GOAT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP8d8rHKy7c

    No other rider can sprint with the sprinters, yet climb with the climber, and also ride away from the field. Comparing him to a doper like Merckx is stupid, because Merckx was a DOPER. Peter is not.

  30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqz0Lc-9b4

    2 against 1, Pete rides away from Sep and Fabio, I am sure most in the peloton could do the same thing…..

  31. The ability to win a Tour of California, a spring classics monument, multiple TDF victories, and 3 straight World Championships with the ability to win sprint stages against the worlds best sprinters places Sagan in a class of his own. One of the most versatile bike racers ever.

  32. Re Sagan Style over Substance. Who are we to judge???? Ask the opinions of Eddy Merckx, Cancellara, CAVENDISH et al because they have been/are at the top and know who was/is someone they feared as a competitor or rate as a GOAT.

  33. How on earth, no substance? Come on, three times WC. But also great style and a lot of fun to watch! Such a weird show topic…

  34. Sagan won green jersey for a sixth time this July, it should be seventh. He also won Paris-Roubaix this year. He is for sure Great cyclist. Who knows who was cheating back in a days of Merckx. There was no technology back than to properly test…Eddy. Was cheating, as sophisticated as in modern era of cycling? For sure not. But we all know it was done.

  35. I love P. Segan "Barnumesque" approach to modern cycling (he will be a "great" one). However, E. Merckx on his "Masi-Built" bike cannibalized his races.These are different times, the machines and personal abilities will out in the end.Can the "Tiger" in Segan finally devour the Golden Bear's record (Please pardon the golfing metaphor.I love both sports).

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