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Should Cycling Go Back To Basics? | The GCN Tech Show Ep. 21

Should Cycling Go Back To Basics? | The GCN Tech Show Ep. 21

– Welcome to the GCN Tech Show. This week, we have got some very special custom cycling shoes, monster chainrings, and ultralight bikes. – Plus, we discuss, should
we go back to basics? What do you reckon?
– Should we? – I don’t know, maybe. – Let’s find out. – Yeah. (energetic music) Alright, what’s hot in
tech this week then, mate? – Well Jon, I think it’s something you’re absolutely gonna love. – Go on. – Well, I know exactly how much you love a good pair of custom cycling shoes. – Love them. – And these ones, from
our friends at Fizik, are in my opinion, stunners. They’ve taken the Aria R3 model to celebrate the 101st
edition of this Giro d’Italia, they’ve collaborated with
another very cool company, Artful Kicks, to create
these incredibly bright, abstract, and bold cycling shoes. – [Jon] They look fantastic, don’t they? – Just ’cause it’s 101st
edition, just 101 made. – Ah, well that’s not bad, is it? Now they do feature
exactly the same features, basically, as the standard Aria R3. So you’ve got yourself a carbon sole, Boa dials, and Microtex upper. But yeah, like Lasty says,
there’s only 101 pairs, so if you wanna get your hands
or feet on a pair of them, you are gonna have to be
quick on that buy button. Do you know what, if anyone out there buys a pair, let us know. I want to see what they
look like in the flesh. – Yeah, definitely get in touch, we would love to see those. – Yeah. Sage is an American
brand and they specialize in making titanium bikes. They’ve recently released the Skyline, which isn’t just any Ti bike, it’s got lightweight wheels, it’s got a THM stem and chain set, and it’s fitted out with SRAM Red eTap. – Yeah, now all of that aside, what caught my eye the most, basically when I got up close
with all those photographs, is actually the fact it’s got
a weld around the seat tube, just below where the seat
stays and top tube meet. Now apparently, that’s there to actually reinforce the seat tube, to
prevent and riser stress cracks, which can come from water bottle bosses. Something I’ve never even
heard of, I must admit, but I think that’s a really cool solution to a potential problem. – Yeah, you wouldn’t want
to spend a load of cash on a stunning titanium
bike and have that happen. – No, that’s rising cracks. – That’s very cool and
extra nerdy, isn’t it? – I like that. – The bike is also
super-light for any bike, weighing in at under six kilos, but particularly light for a Ti bike, which are usually slightly
heavier than carbon fiber bikes. – Yeah, I absolutely love
that, like the color. It could be a little bit lighter, though, because you could chop down that steerer, save a few extra grams there. Anyway, more tech later? – More tech later. – So Lasty, I’ve been thinking, mate, and it has been hurtin’ my head, but I reckon we should go back to basics. – What? – You know, strip away all
this new fandangled tech, take it back a few decades,
and have a nice, simple bike. Let our legs do the talking
instead of the bike. – I’m worried for you and I’m sure the viewers may well be as well Jon, because you’re Jonny Tech. – I wish I’d never made that statement. – And this is the Tech
Channel, we love tech. Whether it’s retro tech, modern tech, thinking about future tech,
it’s what we’re about. – Yeah, I know what you’re saying there, but I think that basically
half the quandaries we find ourselves with, with modern bikes, is because of this new tech. So, let’s look at bottom
brackets, for example. Half the time I don’t know what chain set is gonna fit on what bike without going through a notebook or actually looking at
a user manual online of that bike company. So if we look back at square
taper bottom brackets, you just had British
thread or Italian thread, simple, job done. – I like the notebook,
that is satisfyingly retro. And I will give you, you know, I think you’re right to
pick up on bracket standards as an area where there
are now so many out there that it can be confusing to the end-user, but I think what we should say, is that those bottom brackets
do offer better performance. They’re lighter and they’re stiffer, both good things for most cyclists. And, you know, you don’t have to replace bottom brackets too often. Sure, it can be difficult
when you do replace them, but I actually quite firmly believe that the performance trade-offs
for nearly every cyclist are worth it for the slightly longer job of fitting the bottom
bracket in the first place. – All right, I’ll give you that one. But what about gears, I’m talking levers, derailleurs, cable pull, that kinda thing? Week in, week out, I get so many questions
asking what works with what, and all of that could just
be gone if we went back to, wait for this, downtube
shifters, friction ones even. – It’d also be gone if we went back to single speed or fixed wheels. I don’t think anyone’s
suggesting we do that. You’re also the biggest advocate
of electronic gears I know. So I’m very confused about
this conversation, actually. – Well, sorry about that. Well really, it’s just to make my job a little bit easier with the tech clinics, so I don’t have to answer
all those questions. But in seriousness, if you want to make the world’s lightest bike, you could have those downtube
shifters made of carbon fiber, have ’em in friction mode. Therefore if you put a nine-speed wheel, 10-speed wheel, 11-speed, and these days, even a 12-speed wheel from any group set, it’ll work and you could be out riding. – But if you add for
downtube shifters, Jon, you’d end up like a retro rider. – Oh no, maybe we should
keep STI levers then, and ergo levers, and double tap levers. Yeah, I don’t wanna be a retro rider. Although, Eddy Merckx,
he looks pretty cool. – Yeah, I think we need to ask whether you’d look like Eddy Merckx. – Yeah, one for the viewers
that one anyway, isn’t it? – You’re probably just
like a retro Jon Cannings. – [Jon] There’s evidence
of that out there. – [Lasty] Just black and white. All right, so I’ve got one for you. And I think this actually is one that bridges the gap on your question. It’s tubular tires. So, tubular tires are still a professional cyclist’s favorite. I think, is there one team maybe, that’s used clincher
tires in the last year? To my knowledge (mumbles). – [Jon] Yeah, yep. – And they are also the
favorite of many amateur racers. But let’s face it, it’s
something of an art along with something of an inconvenience to glue them in the first place. And then if you puncture one when you don’t have a neutral service car, you’re in a bit of trouble. – Yeah you are. Tell you what, I wouldn’t
want them, not tubular tires. But actually, you’re starting to sound a bit like me with all this, so (sighs). – You see, I would argue
that I’m being pragmatic. Because what I’m saying is, where technology has existed for ages and hasn’t been bettered, we stay with it. But where technology is
new and is really good, for example STI levers, disc brakes, dropper posts if you’re a mountain biker, you’d bring that in and use it. So you’d go for the best of both worlds. – Good point. Now here’s another question for you. If you had to sacrifice something. So a modern bit of tech, but
put the older equivalent on, is there anything out there you’d choose? – That’s a really difficult question. I think that what I’d really like is, I’d love to have a retro bike. So I’d have that, it wouldn’t
be my first choice of bike, but maybe if I was going
on a steady (mumbles) ride on a sunny day, I could take it out. So I’d go for the full bike, so it all kind of worked
nicely with the rest of it. – Yeah, now that retro bike, using it on a sunny day in Britain, it would probably never
even get taken outside, so there we are, that’s that. Personally, if I had to basically go back to basics or kinda basics, I could lose deep section
wheels for my bikes. As much as I love them, as much as I love the noise
when you get out of the saddle, which doesn’t happen
that often these days, but that fast-sounding noise. I could just go back to a pair of standard box section aluminum wheels and just be happy enough riding with that. – Happy enough, but not happier? – No, but I could cope, I could cope. But don’t go taking ’em
off my bike just yet. – Right then, so we want
to know what you think. There’s a poll onscreen now, should we go back to basics
bike tech, yes or no. Make sure you vote on that. And answer Jon’s question
down in the comments, let us know, is there a bit of tech that you’d quite happily
go back 10, 20 years on? – Yeah, what would it be? I really wanna read people’s
comments on this one. Now grande tours are an excellent time for us to spot the latest
tech being used by the pros. And whilst we’re not on the
ground there at the Giro, Emma is, and she spotted
some very cool tech there over on Team Sunweb. – We are in Trento for the third rest day of the 2018 Giro d’Italia, leading into tomorrow’s time trials stage, and I’ve spotted these Team Sunweb cooling
jackets hanging out to dry. Now I suspect the guys have not been using
them the last few days, ’cause the weather’s been a bit appalling. Possibly they used them in Jerusalem to cool down before stage starts. Doubt they’ll be needing
them in the next few days rather unfortunately for them. So I think what they’ve done, they’ve taken ’em out of
the freezer to dry off and they’re gonna send them home. What they are is this cooling
gel that goes in the freezer, freezes in little blocks
spread out over the vest to keep them nice and cool, keep the core temperature down before you start a hot stage. Bet they wish they had needed them in the mountains instead of rain. – Sticking with Sunweb actually Jon, I found the wheels that the team have been using at this race,
actually pretty interesting. ‘Cause they’ve got the
#overachieve on them. And we know they’re using wheels from their also bike sponsor Giant. But could these be wheels
that we haven’t seen before? – Yeah maybe, I mean,
when I first saw those, I thought, we can put
them in the Tech Show and we may well get egg on
our face and someone say, oh those are just unbranded PRO wheels. But to my knowledge, PRO,
now that’s part of Shimano, don’t actually make a four-spoke wheel. So who knows, but I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough anyway. – Yeah, interesting stuff. Now also on time trial bikes, this has been spotted on
the saddle of Tony Martin. So some of you out
there may well remember, memorably Tony Martin used some grip tape on the saddle of his bike
in a time trial and well, he was left looking
rather sore, wasn’t he? – We don’t need to see the image again. It was pretty grim. – Yeah, it was horrible,
actually, isn’t it? Image that, anyway no, don’t imagine it. Now the UCI have actually forbidden to add grip tape to a saddle,
and quite rightly, too. But instead, he’s actually
used some of that, is it Kinesio tape, to put on the saddle, presumably to help stop
him creeping forward when laying down the power. – Yeah, I guess it’s just
in lieu of his sandpaper, which is probably a good thing. – Yeah, I’m surprised they
haven’t banned that tape, though. Same sort of thing, isn’t it? Anyway.
– Same principle. – Tony Martin, great time trial rider. We can’t argue with him. – Not at all. – I must say, I was extremely happy to see Elia Viviani take to the start line with his purple helmet after, well basically a couple of weeks ago I was disappointed that he
didn’t have a purple helmet. So top work, Elia. Good work, mate. – It’s good to see color coordination when riders are in a jersey. – Exactly! I love it. – Another cool thing spotted at the Giro are these new Bolle sunglasses that we’re seeing on the (mumbles) team. So, they’re not on the Bolle website yet, but they’re a full-rim
affair, they look pretty cool. – Yeah, I think I look pretty hot, myself. Right, now sticking with hot
products, what about this? Adam Hansen, so him of
20 grande tours in a row, legendary status. For those of you who don’t know out there, he makes his own cycling shoes. Yep, he makes his very own. And they, well they look very different from anything else out there, don’t they? – They certainly do. So, these ones that he’s using now, he’s got two pairs for
the Giro that he’s made, in case you forgot that he made all of his own cycling shoes, actually feature a comic of him making his own cycling shoes on them. How cool is that? – [Jon] That’s very cool. – [Lasty] A comic of
you making your own… – Anyway, before we get really
sidetracked with all of that, they’re ultra-techy affair,
despite not really looking like, they look like a pair of
slippers, don’t they, in effect? So he can basically just
put his foot in them, and there’s an ultra-grippy bit of rubber, basically, on the inside heel of them to stop the shoe coming off. But that’s not just it, is it? He’s got a very nice
ratchet system, I believe. – [Lasty] Weighing in at 2.7 grams. – [Jon] (laughs) That’s so cool! – Apparently it’s got four different adjustment positions as
well, he did tell me. I think that’s pretty cool. – And it’s held in place as
well, using Soudal isn’t it? And that’s one of his sponsor’s products. – Which is good to see. I think my favorite part
of the shoes though, Jon, is the cleat attachment. – [Jon] Oh yes. – Because sure, they
are amazing custom shoes that require no insole and no lining ’cause they’re so perfectly fitted, but what that means is that the sole is actually really thin, so there’s no room for threads or cleat bolts or anything like that. So he attaches to his cleats using a mix of carbon fiber and Kevlar threads. – How cool is that? – It’s only 27 1/2 grams. – Come in here and make something out of carbon fiber for
us, I don’t care what, just come and do something for us. But you can see just how
thin those soles are, can’t you, with this photo here? That’s actually a drainage hole because there’s nothing in that shoe to absorb any water when it rains. And well, the water’s got
to go somewhere, hasn’t it? – [Lasty] It certainly has,
Jon, how much do they weigh? – Under 70 grams. – For the pair? – No, each. – It’s just incredible. It’s about the same as a
pair of socks, isn’t it? – Absolutely wild. Love ’em. Hole or not, let us know your
thoughts down in the comments. – Now sticking with shoes
just for the moment. I’ve spotted these, what
basically look to be a spray-painted pair of Rapha Shoes being used by Taylor Eisenhart
at the Tour of California. Well, I have heard as well
that, that rider, Taylor, he’s actually an artist in his spare time. And I think they look pretty good. What do you reckon, hot or not? – Yeah hot, I think they’re cool. – Yeah, I’d like to see what the viewers think about them as well. Hot or not, let us know.
Taylor wants to know, too. – The thing that I’ve noticed, Jon, is Caleb Ewan’s stem. I can’t actually believe how long it is. I think it’s definitely
at least 14 centimeters. – [Jon] Got to be 14. – Could be a custom integrated stem and handlebar bicycle. So maybe it’s up to 15, possibly longer. It’s a whopper, it’s ginormous. Caleb, if you’re watching,
let us know how long it is. – Now sticking with ginormous, kind of. Now let me tell you a little story, for those of you who don’t know about the UK time trial scene. Basically it’s really,
really popular, isn’t it? So most of us old-fashioned cyclers, we grew up with club time trials once a week, in an
evening, meet up somewhere. But from the outside, it
looks quite weird, doesn’t it? Because you meet up in a
lay-by or a village hall in a skin suit with a pointy helmet on, and well, it’s just a little
bit left-field, isn’t it? From standard road racing? – Certainly, making it
look more left-field is the fact that it’s subject
to the local rules in the UK rather than the UCI rules,
which allows for some, safe to say, pretty extreme bikes. – Yeah, that’s right. So this one here, Marcin Bialoblocki, he had actually fitted
a 70-tooth chainring to his Pinarello Bolide time trial bike. Absolutely outrageous, 70 teeth. – To push a 70-tooth chainring, I’d need for the course to
be at least 15% downhill, straight, on a very wide road. – And with a motor. – That’s just amazing. – Yeah, now also, we see all sorts of homemade aerodynamic gains being used in these events, too. I’m gonna try and keep my
eyes peeled and bring you, the viewers, some more aerodynamic, and quite frankly outrageous, bits of bike tech from these events. – Definitely, and if you yourself push the limits of aerodynamics
with some homemade kit, send a photo in, we’d love to see it. – Yeah, email us at the email
address onscreen right now. More tech next week. Now at last week’s sign, Emma inducted Lycra to the Wall of Fame, something which, for us cyclists, I’m sure we are all
very, very grateful for. However, this week, let’s
keep it aerodynamic, tight-fitting, and well, it’s
time for a very cool product. – Certainly is, the
Cinelli Aerolite Helmet. – You gonna wear it or me? – Actually, I think you
should wear it, Jon. – All right, okay. Right, now the Aerolite Helmet was actually given a rather
unfortunately nickname, The Peepot, and I’m sure you can see why. And it was first used to success in 1985 by Bernard Hinault in the Tour de France. So he won the prologue and
also stage-eight time trials. And that was en route to winning his fifth title of the Tour de France. – And despite its, I guess to modern eyes, really quite rudimentary appearance, it’s got no vents, limited padding, perhaps offering very
little crash protection, and it’s secured by a simple Velcro strap. The Aerolite Helmet was one of the very first aerodynamic helmets. And if you look back at
events like the 1984 Olympics, on the track where aerodynamics started to be a consideration in cycling, there are some even more
rudimentary efforts out there. – Yes, skateboard helmets,
they look like, basically. – Yeah. – But this one really just started the aerodynamic helmet race, didn’t it? – It was the instigator. So all of the aero helmets and all of the aerodynamic advances even on kind of on non-aero helmets, this is the one that started it all off. – Yeah, how cool is that? Do you know what, Tom? I’m bloody proud to own one, too. Although I don’t use it because well, look at me (laughs). I knew he was gonna do that. Anyway, let us know your nominations for the Wall of Fame in
the comments down below. And who knows, maybe we’ll pick yours. I’m gonna go off for a
time trial now, mate. – It’s now time for Battle of
the Bikes on Bike of the Week. – Yeah. – And last week we put the Israel Cycling Academy
Team’s De Rosa Protos up against Ryan Mullen’s Trek Madone. The winner with 64% of the vote, (hand drumroll) Thanks, Jon, is or was, Ryan Mullen
and his Trek Madone. Lovely-looking bike, that. – Right, but anyway, this week let’s move on to two time trial bikes. First up, the Lepierre
Aerostorm of Groupama FDJ, full Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 groupset, PRO disc wheel, PRO tri spoke,
and it’s up against this. The Scott Plasma of Mitchelton Scott. Again a Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 groupset, a lightweight disc wheel even, whoa yeah, and they’ve got Shimano D60
deep section front wheel there, so he’s not using a tri spoke. Anyway, it’s time for
you to vote up there. Let us know which one you’d go for. Who do you choose? – It’s a secret, I’m gonna vote. – (sighs) So boring. I’m not gonna tell you who
I’m gonna vote for either. Anyway, it’s up to the viewers. Next week we’ll reveal the results and have two more head-to-head. Alright, it’s time for the Bike Vault, where we decide whether your
bike is nice or super-nice from the photos that you’ve submitted. – Definitely, and if
the viewers want to get their bike in the Bike
Vault, Jon, what do they do? – They have to send it in to the email address onscreen right now and include a little bit about yourself, the bike, and also where you come from. You’re the man with a bell this week and well, will he ring it or not? Let’s crack on, shall we? First up, Adrian Hall of Leek
in Staffordshire in the UK. This is his Argon 18 Nitrogen. What do you reckon of that? – I like it, I think it’s a nice from me. – Yeah, do you know what? It’s a nice from me, too,
because it’s an aerobike, but those cables at the front, they’re just not doing it for me. – Must point out the attention to detail. Adrian has actually taken
a bike stand out with him. – He has yeah, so fair play, Adrian. – Yeah, fair play, Adrian. – Nice bike, mate. Right, let’s move on then, shall we? Andreas Pallides of Cyprus,
this is their BH Ultralight. – Again, cool photo. I think it looks like it could
be a stunning place to ride, but the background’s a bit busy for me. That’s a nice. – Yeah, it looks a bit abandoned in the background, doesn’t it? – Yeah, it’s a nice. – Yeah, it’s a nice bike.
Matching bottles, do like that. Nice bike. Now this, Daniel from Switzerland, this is their Peugeot PY10FC, so basically it’s a carbon mainframe with aluminum seat stays, chain stays, and aluminum lugs as well. I think that is super-nice, personally. – I think it’s a super-nice. – Yeah, does it for me.
Should ring that bell! (bell clanging) Whoa! I said ring it, don’t smash it! Steady on, Lasty. Right, we’ve got Jason Patry, basically rides in
mid-America on gravel roads. And this is their Moots Routt 45. Look at that! – First of all, the
background of the photo, those just look like incredible
gravel roads to go ride on. – They do. – It’s a titanium bike,
love a titanium bike. And I also really like… – What have you spotted? You’ve spotted something
on there, haven’t you? – I think he’s running a mountain bike set back there, isn’t he? – Yeah, he’s got an XT derailleur. – Yeah, so maybe he’s got an 11 through 40 or something on the back? – Yeah. – I don’t know what size chain he’s got, but he’s got what looks
like a wolf-tooth chainring, so he can run a single ring. – Yeah. – Super-nice, Jason. – Yeah, super-nice, easy
that one, absolutely easy. (bell softly clanging) – A quiet one, not because
the bike is any less nice, but because Jon’s hearing
suffered last time. – Now finally, we’ve got Joanna Erker and this is Formentor Majorka, a place which we know very well, don’t we? This is their BMC GF01, Grandfondo 01. – I like that! – Yeah Jon, I think that’s a super-nice. – Yeah, it is a super-nice
because, you know, they’ve put that it in
a different location. It’s not the normal place
one would take pictures of. – They’ve gone all the way
out to Formentor on big ring. – Yeah. – Not an inconsiderable feat. – The old big dog. Matching bottles, bar tape, GPS cover, that is a super-nice bike, nice one. – And matching cables, actually. – Oh yeah, matching cables, too. – Super-nice, attention to detail. (bell clanging) – Top work, Joanna, top work. Now, like we said at the
beginning of the section, remember to submit your photos using the email address onscreen. And who knows, maybe old Lasty
will ring his bell for you. Well, anyway, that is it for
this week’s GCN Tech Show. On that note, like we said, comment and let us know your thoughts on all of the tech through the video. And if you want to get your photos in, email address is onscreen. – It certainly is. Now remember as well, what’s coming up on the channel this week. Well on Saturday, I get to check out a Trek Madone of Ryan Mullen, that bike that won Bike of the
Week last week, on Saturday. – [Lasty] On Sunday, we have
got spinning versus grinding, the geek edition. – Yeah, I’m keen to find that one out. What are you, a spinner
or a grinder? Who knows? Anyway, on Monday I’m back in
here in the maintenance set, showing you how to balance your wheels, something which has really been a popular demand from the viewers. – So an extra-nerdy one. – Yeah, but it’s not too nerdy. – But like Jon said, it’s
one of your requests. So if you do have a request for content, tell us in the comments, message us, – Let us know. – and we’ll see what we can do. – Yeah, and on Wednesday, back
in here for the tech clinic. – Tech Show. – Yeah. – So there we go, that is it for another GCN Tech Show, Jon. – I always get sad at this time. – Yeah, it is sad, isn’t it? What video should we send them to? – Oh, why don’t you check out some Giro d’Italia content with Emma? Click just down here. – Good call. And if you wanna get a
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100 comments on “Should Cycling Go Back To Basics? | The GCN Tech Show Ep. 21

  1. In our days in a pair cyclist – bike, a cyclist plays a role of an engine with its watts and rpm. It would be interesting to see the modern riders in the famous tours on the bikes of the great heroes of the past,when no one paid attention to their bicycles.

  2. What tech could I go back on? I started riding a 10 speed (5×2) friction shifters. While I love my Di2, I could go back to the 5 gears on the back.

  3. I build frames, and I vote for no disc brakes and absolutely nothing that requires a bike to be plugged in. I also prefer an English threaded bottom bracket.

  4. Retro tech I like: Bar-end DA friction shifters work a treat on my 3×9-speed 'bent.
    Also like the rear-mounted metal rack with hinged clamp on my '77 Fuji Gran Tour – very practical.

  5. There are soo many different square taper bb sizes out there. Sure they all fit the same cranksets but square taper bbs, threaded head sets, freewheels and any tire narrower than a 28 are all standards I definitely don't miss. That said I agree whole heartedly that there is a large degree of beauty in keeping things simple.

  6. If you do decide to go back to basics – I'll be happy to take your full Tech bikes off your hands 😀

  7. One item that should never be in the hall of fame is the lycra jersey…..If you put anything in the rear pockets, it would hang down in the back. They were fine for racing when you carried nothing in them. They only lasted a few years before being replaced by modern fabrics. One item for the hall of fame are sublimated markings on bibs. Before that, lettering was silk screened on. After a year or so, the lettering would start to peel off.

  8. I am a big fan of friction shifters for precisely the reasons mentioned. Any cassette at any time – no dedication to any particular number of gears. I've got old ones, not the best quality, and I don't see why I shouldn't be able to buy a great pair for cheap if they weren't so… you know… out of fashion. There's no specific reason you couldn't have friction brifters, it just isn't done – or not to my knowledge – probably not cheaply. "But how would you do it?" Just the same as modern shifting, just don't have indexes – don't click ratchets and pop back – just slide one way and slide the other way!

  9. Since Eddy Merckx is cool, we can say wearing Lycra, a helmet, clipless shoes, and riding carbon fibre bikes with rim brakes and modern, standard, indexed gearing is one kind of cool. Photos don’t show a bike computer, but I guess that’s always optional. No wait, I’ve found a photo with a bike computer on it so that sorts that out.

  10. no actually coz I would like the ceramic hubs on the carbon deep section wheels rather than some old rusted ones

  11. My "new" road bike is twenty years old now! But, brifters are the biggest advance in shifting! My legs don't seem to notice the difference between 7 speed on my even older road bike as opposed to 10 speeds on newer bikes. But shifting from the handlebars just can't be beat! Great show!

  12. For retro tech…Italian steel frame, 10 or less Campy, box rims.
    Wall of fame… Cinelli Spinaci.
    Question…soft or hard bike case?

  13. QUESTION: I’ve two bikes, one used mostly on the turbo trainer over the winter. Both running 105 chains and cassettes in good condition. Now that I’m almost exclusively riding outside again, yay!, I don’t know whether I should be rotating the cassettes as one is not going to be getting any wear for five months or so. Or should you always keep the cassette with a given chain together and replace the two simultaneously when worn?

  14. Does making your own shoes break the rule on using products that can be purchased in shops, how does he get around it?

  15. if i was gunna have a modern bike but had to trade one thing for an older equivalent then i would probably have a brooks b17 on my tarmac again lol –
    also use sti shifters, modern bars and wheels on retro bikes though – with down tube barrel adjuster aand quill stem adapters – have sram apex 10spd aned specialized bars with bontrager wheels on a 1980s triumph team leader – and claris 8 speed groupset on a peugeot esprit – best of both worlds 🙂

  16. 20:30 that looks photoshopp'd to me please post the image file for forensic analysis by your envious audience

  17. Tech should support the rider and make maintenance easier and not more difficult. Bike repair should be done without going to a worshop, simply at home.

  18. Adam Hansons Shoes are interesting. particularly the cleat. I have read that carbon fibre and kevlar shouldn't mix. Its because their elasticity is very different. Kevlar is stretchy whereas CF is quite rigid. The effect is that CF takes all the load before Kevlar has taken up the slack. So then the CF fails leaving the Kevlar taking all the load. Its best to use one or the other.
    I bet they are easy to put on though. Do the Triathletes know?

  19. I could do without aero frames. They don't look like a "proper" road bike. I like the old light weight frames of ten or twenty years ago

  20. I think bikes with modern components feel fantastic and so I wouldn't change anything with them. However, what i would take back to basics is the use of metrics/ electronics. Get rid of power meters, bike computers, gps and cadence monitors etc. Go out with a paper map, cycle just for the sake of cycling and inevitably get lost in the process.

  21. Jon's getting ready to sell his helmet 🤣 inflating the price quicker than a double action pump. Great show guys

  22. I say let cycling be everything it can be, everything from the basics to hydroelectric power with telepathic shifting. And Jon, you really should wear a name tag so new viewers know that you are Jonny Tech. Either that or an embroidered GCN Tech polo shirt.

  23. I think I could live without my power meter. I completely get how much they've pioneered cycling and the way we train, but I do sometimes wonder why we bother. I think heart rate can be a great way of analysing your efforts for a fraction of the price.

  24. I worked in Medical Device industry. Ti was considered to be Notch Sensitive. it meant any bangs & scrapes could be detrimental to the material integrity. Steel was preferred in many instances, BUT Ti is alloyed (often aluminium) to improve the issue.
    I'm sure in our age the problems are solved, BUT not every metal displays the same characteristics & suit specific purposes better.

  25. A lower entry race league would be helpful? Something like how auto racing has Formula Ford and Formula 3 compared to F1.

  26. I've got stuck in basics, a heavy yet sturdy cloddy. I'm too lazy to lose weight so I can't ride my Zonda's.

  27. I built up an old 90s road bike. 8sp sis down tube shifters, quill stem, retro bars etc. It sucked riding it anywhere but constant gradients. I’ve now put DA7800 sti and 10sp wheels which now makes it ok. If I had to lose a bit of tech I could go back to 9sp. And I could live without carbon fibre.

  28. There's a reason why new technologies get adopted…they make life easier and plus they look cool!

  29. The question seems a miss-match to the examples. What appears to be required is standardization of components. That would be easier for everyone.
    Retro-Requirement? If I'm honest, it seems that there is a romantic aspect of new bikes that is missing. Getting on a new bike never makes me feel like Eddy Merckx, or Chris Froome for that matter.

  30. If it’s reliable (unlike BB30, etc…) and easy to service, I don’t care if it’s old tech or new tech.
    I’m not competing in the TDF any time soon.

  31. Ti all the way. Just built this one up. NBD. Wittson Illuminati

  32. I still ride "basic" – a 1993 steel Bridgestone RB-1 with box section aluminum wheels in races (triathlon, so with clip-on aerobars). No reason to upgrade except for weight savings and for that I should look to myself first.

  33. Tech weight saving has gone bonkers. What about your two water bottles. This adds weight big style. Is there such a thing as light water lol

  34. Don't think we need to go back to basics, but standardising things would be a good idea. So we had standard sizes on most parts allowing us to use any make of part we wanted. Obviously the bike companies could still specialise at the higher price range but for the middle to lower end of the market it would help a lot and make it so a rider could spend as much or as little as they wanted on any particular part.

  35. Ooh, back to basics? Yes, why not? I've got ally, carbon modern bikes but also a steel framed downtube shifting 5 speed rumbler that I ride from time to time. Mainly because I hankered after one in the early eighties but couldn't afford it. I ride it about once a month, it's fun but I'm not climbing the Tumble on it any time soon!

  36. Lasty said it – a retro bike for the odd ride or occasional coffee ride is great. It's a great way to appreciate the days of lore and my modern bike. It helps that my retro bike is a gem and exceptionally fun to ride. it's a 1985 GRANDIS Especial, era specific drivetrain – full Record, down tube shifters, tubulars, etc…

  37. the Hour Record should have a Francesco Moser classification. where the rider rides a bike with the same specs as F. moser's

  38. Take away race radios and I'll start watching the Grand Tours again. Majority of the stages are so incredibly predictable that it's pointless watching anything but the last 2Kms.

  39. I love the evolution of technology. I would never go back. Keep the new coming. Yes, I would love a retro bike, in fact I totally regret getting rid of a couple of my "retros" all those years ago when "retro" was not the new thing. I now have 10 bikes and will not sell, give away or throw away another bike in my life!

  40. Shoes.. OK.. maybe not so tech oriented.. have you seen George Bennett's (occasional) shoes? His girlfriend, Caitlin, designs the graphics. Totally cool!

  41. Well I don't know if this is too early to say, but honestly, in over 40 years of cycling, I have NEVER thought to myself' "Ï just wish I could get rid of my clunky, always breaking down front derailleur and that awkward, super heavy, unsightly left shifter, so that I can finally have less gear choice and a chain-line at the very limit of engineering possibility"

  42. At 71 I've got more than 6 decades of bike riding and I'm all for utilizing technological experimentation to improve bicycling. What tech is useful will survive until something better replaces it. There is still a lot of room for improvement. Check back in a decade and see what is still around. I really enjoy staying on top of all the latest bike tech. That said, I very much enjoy my 87 Schwinn Prologue that I brought back from the dead, my 92 DeRosa Nuovo Classico that my wife bought me in 1992, and my 1989 Cannondale ST2000 Touring bike that today would probably be classified as a gravel grinder.

    I've got Brooks saddles on all 3 bikes because they conform to my behind, not the other way around. They have been around since the 19th century because they work. My Look pedals are in a box in the garage because I went back to toe clips and straps so I can use my Chrome Kursk shoes on all 3 bikes without clip clopping when I'm off the bike. Point to point random sprints are my training. I ride as much as I feel like and sold my car 7 years ago.

    Be open minded, embrace functional simplicity, and put a Crane bell on the side of your stem to warn the cyclist you're about to reel in.

  43. As a loyal listener, I'd say this about Bike Vaults in general–there is way too much drama over the nice or super nice or super duper flip-out do you believe in miracles? I dig that fellow enthusiasts send in their photos and that we get to see what they are riding, but the chatter over backgrounds and crank angles and all of that seems to miss the point, the point being the bike and how the owner has modified or customized it and, hmm, how the rest of us might do the same. And nothing box-stock, anyone can buy a bike and snap a pic of it. And some of the bikes you can't even see for the forest and the trees. So I say any bike in your vault should be declared to be a super nice, we should be able to clearly see it, and Lasty should be free to ring that cowbell like a cowbell kook.

  44. for a guy who rides both sti and downtube shifters.. the only disadvantage of the downtube ones are attacking on climbs/when out the saddle (difficult to reach when on the hoods & all will know when you're about to drop the hammer).. pros: downtube = lighter

  45. As much as i love watching your big dumb mugs, we don't need a screen in screen for the bike vault! come on, give em the space they deserve!!

  46. I just weighed my socks, for the pair it was 86.3g -just to put Adam hansen's 140g for the pair shoes into perspective

  47. I'd like to see an old school Giro!
    Wooden rims, fixed gear, no mechanics. White powders mixed with rat poison instead off espresso 😉

  48. I own two pairs of carbon fibre Boras, but I clamped on a pair of aluminum Campagnolo Shamal Mille wheels and haven't used the deeper section wheels since. The Shamals weight almost the same, aren't affected by the strongest side winds and are more comfortable ,Myers less than half the price. Why bother with carbon fibre ?

    Additionally, I rule against modern BBs. The number and especially press in varieties which are difficult to remove without damaging and the creaking, should be abolished. Give me threaded … Please !

  49. I am 54, getting back into riding a road bike and I miss brakes being available on the handle bars. I still had the impulse to grab the handle bars near where they are attached to the frame to stop and control my bike with one hand. I really miss that convenience when the bike continues to be free wheeling. I am required to reach over to the side of the steering handle bars to apply the brakes. Less safety in the new arrangements too! Bring back the extra brake lever across the handle bar!!! For me at least…

  50. cycling has a back to basics option though, it's called the budget daily hack and they're bombproof. Steel frame, 7 speed cassette, 26 or 700 wheel size, mudguards and a rack. And if you can shoehorn a 3 speed sturmey archer in between the rear dropouts, even better. It's the sort of bike the chap on a basic minimum wage rides to work on and back in all weathers wearing his hi viz waistcoat and steel toe caps. It's usually well past it's service life and could probably do with a bit of air in the tyres but for all it's misgivings it still manages to get from A to B without too much fuss. I think they're great.

  51. Hi Guys, been talking with a colleague, another avid cyclist, and he raised the question – should you get your wheels balanced, similar to that of a car, as obviously due to the make up of the rims they wont have a uniform weight all around. Thanks

  52. Cycling is the stores, brands and thieves. The people are only consumers, thus them being treated so. 99% of the crap out there is just a better pair of scissors or a different color than the first one made. Getting back to basics? AKA…"Dont get ripped off again dumbass." Ride!

  53. Great show, but how can you continue to make 'purple helmet' comments with a straight face? My innuendo-o-meter came close to exploding..!

  54. As someone who is into touring/bikepacking I would appreciate if Shimano would go back to the same pull ratio between Mountain and Road groupsets so I can use STI shifters with a trekking groupset like the XT

  55. wow Peugeot carbon d fibre! nice I had the catalogue that this bike was in( wish I still had it) 1985? great show ,any chance if you answer you could put your initials on ,so we,d know who it is?☺

  56. I'd go back to steel frames. In fact I own two and one carbon. The steel is a little slower, but much more comfortable.

  57. There is nothing like a vintage lugged steel frame made by one of the greats(Faliero Masi, Ugo De Rosa, Richard Sachs, JP Weigle, pre-colombo Cinelli, Mario Confente, etc) equiped with period Campagnolo Record(Nuovo, Super, or Corsa).

  58. I'm just back to biking in my mid 50s. I did suffer from numb hands on a hybrid, so thought I'd try dropped bars again. No numb hands, good riding position, low weight on hands, no kinked wrists, but I do get white finger and cold hands on and now off the bike. I really don't think I'm getting anything wrong in the riding. I've double wrapped bars, and use padded gloves. I can't get 28mm continentals to fit under callipers. Probably only 3mm clearance on the 25s, but the 28s seem to be more than 3mm bigger.Bike was cheap, so I don't mind looking out for a gravel bike if bigger tyres are going to help with vibration – roads aren't smooth near me in Hexham – although they're are great fun. Is a gravel bike as my main bike going to be the way forward. Probably mostly will ride short to medium distances (up to 30 miles) for fitness and fun all year round. Any recommendations that aren't going to take too much fun out of it – I'd prefer disk brakes as lots of descents are in the shade and therefore little warning of poor surface.

  59. Jon, you're very easily persuaded regarding bottom brackets why not do a gnc tech test square taper and octalink vs press fit bb in comparable bikes over a over a distance of e.g. 10k or 40k with 300W power input and let's see the difference if it's really worth the hassle?

  60. The cycle industry survives by selling people things they don't need. The fast people were fast on 6-speed blocks, steel frames and quill pedals. Brakes have improved, aluminium has brought light frames to the masses. Everything else is a styling exercise.

  61. Down tube friction shifters worked perfectly well, at least when it was usual to have 5 or 6 cogs on the block. Easy to reposition, easy to adjust, easy to use. My wife wanted new shifters for her bike and we were told £200 if we could find some that worked with "only" a 9 cog block. And quill stems looked nicer and were easier to adjust up and down.

  62. I have 2 bikes a NoLogo Steel fixed gear bike pretty much my daily commuter, and have a Pinnacle neon 1 hybrid bike I bought as spares and repairs for cheap git it fixed up, Don't really think I've even used much modern tech

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