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Should We All Ride Recumbent Bikes? | GCN Tech Show Ep.87

Should We All Ride Recumbent Bikes? | GCN Tech Show Ep.87


– Welcome to the GCN Tech show. – This week we’ve got
ourselves some new Fizik shoes, Harley-Davidsons for kids,
the Bike Vault, your upgrades plus we’re going to ask why
aren’t recumbents more popular? – Yeah, and snacks of the week. – What?
– Snacks of the week? – Trust me on this one,
Jon, it’s going to be good. Let’s get on with the show. – Lock and load! (upbeat technical music) – We’ll begin with our weekly
talking point, and Jon, what if I told you you could
go 50 kilometers an hour for just 200 watts on a very
particular kind of bike? Would you want to ride that bike? – Yeah, I mean I do actually
quite like e-bikes, Ollie. – Not an e-bike, a recumbent. – Recumbents, they’re really fast. – Well, you, I dunno,
you’re going to have to try and convince me pretty seriously. – I think you’d suit a recumbent but Hanks recent video on
recumbents got me thinking, if they’re so much faster, which they are, than regular bicycles, why
don’t more people ride them? I mean think of all the
Strava KOM’s you could get. – Well I know you love a
KOM so, talk me through it. I’m all ears. (upbeat music) – So, first up, we’ll look at
the advantages of recumbents and the biggest one is
that they’re faster. They create far less aerodynamic drag than a standard road bike
and a ball park figure you often hear is 30 percent less drag, and it can be even less if you cover them in an aerodynamic fairing
to make them even faster. (upbeat music) – They actually look
quite fun, don’t they, in a way because when you see someone actually hurtling along
in one, they, I mean it’s just that speed, really and they actually look quite comfy I guess because you’re laid back,
your feet are up, you know, you look like you’re in,
well almost going to sit down and watch the television for an evening. – Yeah like in a La‑Z‑Boy
chair like chilling out – A recliner (laughs)
an electric recliner. – They also make you smile. – Yeah. – I mean, proof of this,
right is Barney Hall who was the recumbent
expert in Hanks video, he knows a thing or two
about recumbents, right, and he said smile, well he certainly seems to think they make you smile. – A lot. – Guaranteed smiles, we
know with a big smile, you’ll be happy, you’ll get a way, and we’ll have you smiling and
riding by the end of the day. The secret is to smile, so
long as you’re enjoying it and smiling, you’ll manage this. – Okay I’m a big smiler. – Release the break, go, and smile. A big smile. – Are you ready to catch me? – Yes, smile! Smile!
– I’m smiling! Smile!
– I’m smiling! Crashing, crashing! – Well, you can’t argue with
Barney on that one, can you? Plus being nice and low
to the ground means that your center of gravity
is really, really good. You know, it gives you
a nice stable feeling, especially when you’re
going around a corner in a two-wheeled version. (upbeat music) – There are some disadvantages, right. – Oh yes there are (laughs). – And that’s probably why we
don’t all ride recumbents. So there’s loads of different types, there’s two-wheeled ones
like you just mentioned, but there’s also three-wheeled
ones, four-wheeled ones and you can have ones where
there’s two wheels at the front or two wheels at the back, and with all these
different wheel layouts, there are pros and cons. – Yeah, and unless you
have a two-wheeled ones, they’re not really that stable
around corners, are they? – Yeah, yeah and in general recumbents are a lot less maneuverable than a standard road bike is fair, to say. – I mean I’ve actually seen people on racing tricycles as well
as a tandem tricycle and when you watch them
try and go around a corner, it just doesn’t work. I mean there are motorbikes out there with two wheels on the
front, aren’t there, which you’re quite a big
fan of I’m lead to believe. (chuckling) – When you see them in
operation, actually, it does work quite well, but to put that technology,
sorry, onto a bicycle, the weight is going to really, really offset, I think, the performance. – Yeah, without that suspension system within a recumbent that’s a
tricycle or a four-wheeler, it’s very easy to tip them when going at speed around corners. – Seen it done. – Yeah, Hank nearly did it. (chuckling) – Plus, with the two wheeled ones, well you have a higher
chance of falling off of them because you always have to
maintain balance, don’t you? – People are going to
say that you have to do that on a regular bike. (comical music) – Yeah but it’s easier, it’s just easier. It’s a further distance to fall, I guarantee I’ve never
been on a recumbent bike– – You’re lower down, how
is it a further distance when you’re lower down? – Well, it’s right, it’s clumsy it’s just a clumsy contraption. – (laughs) Okay. You can leave that bit in. – Okay, right. They’re generally more expensive. – Yeah. – Than a standard road
bike as well and, well, they’re produced in smaller
numbers they’re less popular so I think you could say, to be fair, if they were mass produced you’d expect the cost to come down. – Yeah and now another
disadvantage has to be going uphill in them
because you can’t really go up hills that easily on them because you can’t actually
have any surges of power because you can’t get out of the saddle, let’s face it, ’cause you’re laying down. There’s another one then, do you get really bad saddle sores? – Back sores? – Yeah ’cause you can’t
relieve yourself in any way, can you, if you like prop
yourself out of the chair or seat, what’s going to happen? – Yeah, yeah.
– Dunno. – That’s a good point, I dunno. If you ride a recumbent, let us know. – Yeah. – Another disadvantage is
that when you’re riding– – There’s quite a few
isn’t there, okay carry on. – But another disadvantage
is you could feel quite vulnerable when riding one because you
are so low to the ground meaning that if there’s walls or hedges on the side of the road
they can obscure you and you can be hidden from
other road users by them, whereas if you were on a regular bike, you could still be seen. You do see recumbent
users often putting poles with flags out the top that sit quite high to help make them more
visible but it is you know, something that could be
seen as a disadvantage. – Yeah, it’s quite sad really isn’t it that we have to actually
touch on that point as it being a disadvantage because
they’re not in the eye line, but well, there we go. But another disadvantage then, okay, is you can get ones with an
aerodynamic fairing in them. – I want one of those ones. – Yeah, the ones we’ve
already spoken about, look super cool, super futuristic I guess, although they’ve been around
since I think the 70’s or even before, even those faired ones, but you get very, very hot in those because obviously they
don’t have great air intake going into them because
then that’s going to act almost like a sail isn’t it, stopping you. And they’re pretty fragile, too, I think, they resemble almost an eggshell. – Yeah, quite difficult
to get in and out of in a hurry, as well. – Yeah, yeah not the easiest things. – I think recumbents are
fascinating bits of tech, though and I would love to have a go in one, particularly one of the aerodynamic ones and maybe do some tests
to see how fast they go compared to other bikes
and things like that. – They are an absolute feat
of engineering I have to say. It’s like a molten bike,
you know, there’s so many different tubes and everything like that, you wouldn’t know where to start if it came to building one. – Yeah and I think also
it’s quite exciting, we’re seeing a few
recumbents with e-bike motors built into them as well now and so that kind of takes
away the disadvantage we spoke about which was
getting harder to ride up hills, you know, meaning that, well, even more reason to perhaps ride one. – Yeah, I’ve even seen
a guy on an e-bike one, and it was an off-road version too and he was absolutely
flying along some tracks and I though that looked
like some serious fun. That looked like a, what, a
lay down go-kart, basically. So, I’m pretty keen to see you, Ollie, take this on yourself. So if you want to see Ollie,
you know, battle it out there with a recumbent, let us know in the comments section down below. – Yeah, if you’d like to
see some recumbent content, let us know what you’d like to see. And if you think recumbents
should be more popular, then, well, let us know what you think in the comments down below as well. – An most of all, smile! – Smile, smile!
– I’m smiling! – Smile!
– I’m smiling! – Our friends over at Fizik
have launched a new pair of shoes and they’ve taken
their fastening technology from the Powerstrap R1
shoes over to these. These ones are designed specifically for the discipline of gravel riding. – Yeah the Powerstrap
X4 is, well, essentially a gravel-modified version of those R1’s, so you’ve got a chunkier sole on it and a bit more of a robust
toe area so that you don’t damage the shoes and the new color way. And they’ve got a zig-zag
strap on there as well, with two Velcro straps which means you can tailor the fit nicely
to adjust to your preferences and I’ve got the road version,
the R1 that Jon mentioned and yeah I really like it, I’ve
been riding it all the time. – Yeah I’m a big fan of Velcro actually. I recon for something like this
when you’re riding off-road, it’s quite a big benefit because if you’re riding
through some scrub or bushes, which you tend to do, then
you’re not going to get any boas or anything like that
caught and well risk failure. – Yeah, nice and simple. – Yeah, nice color too. – More hot tech now. Now Jon, I know that you’ve always dreamed of wearing some leather
trousers, a leather waistcoat, growing a handle bar mustache, and riding a Harley-Davidson. – How’d you know all these things? Although, the bit about
the Harley-Davidson isn’t necessarily true,
but the rest sounds right up my street. – Well, now you can get a Harley-Davidson ’cause they’ve brought out a new range of electric balance
bikes, check these out! – [Jon] Not really sure
I need a balance bike, but they look pretty good, don’t they? They’re only available in kids sizes though, sadly, so, uh, too late for us. – Yeah I know but check
out those kids, I mean they look totally badass, don’t they? – Wouldn’t want to mess with them. – No, the kids of anarchy. (crunch) – Snacks of the week now. – Snacks of the what? Since when has that been a thing? – It’s a new feature Jon,
I’ve just invented it. A fan of the show, Lineke Purvey,
he’s from the Netherlands, has kindly sent us in some
stroopwaffles, your favorite! – D’you know, I’ve got very
fond memories post-Kermesse in Belgium having some
stroopwaffles or rice tarts, these days though, I got to say actually, a rice tart is probably
my preferred choice. Oh look, they’re individually packaged. Thank you very much Lineke. – Yeah, that’s a great
idea, that’s ingenious. Hopefully, we’ll get sent
snacks each week now, brilliant. – We’ve had things sent to us in the past, actually, haven’t we? A friend of the show, I
dunno if actually we can call him a friend of the show, Markham McDermott sent some rather, rather interesting things through
the post to us before. We’ve had beer as well,
that was quite nice. Yeah, however, alongside all of this, we have actually been
scouring the internet trying to find more tech, but well, there’s not very much of
it, is there, let’s face it because there’s a big
event coming up next week, isn’t there, and we’re going. What’re we going to? – EUROBIKE.
– Oh yes. – The worlds biggest bike
show and, well, exhibition. – It is absolutely massive, isn’t it. – Everyone seems to be
holding out on their tech until next week. – Yeah, I’m looking forward
to that, I really am. – It’s going to be great, um,
so we’re going to be there, making content and you’re going
to pack your leather trousers. – Yeah, I am, I can’t wait to put them. This year, though, I am going
to remember the Talcum powder and while Ollie’s looking forward to getting stuck into a sausage or two. (drilling) – It’s time now for screw
riding upgrades, buy upgrades, where you submit evidence of the upgrades that you’ve made to
your bikes or equipment in order to win the ultimate prize, the GCN Camelback Eddy waterbottle. – Oh, yes. Yours of course, will not
come complete with water. – And your saliva. – No. Right first up then, let’s
name the winner from last week, weights between Victor and Amber. – From Maryland. – Yeah, very important actually that. Now winning with 72%
of the votes was Amber and that, well, meat-inspired paint work. – Meaty!
– Yes. And we’ve got a special
prize actually, haven’t we? – Yes, Amber, we’ve got
you some Maryland cookies. Or Mary-land cookies, as we call them. – Loads of people actually were asking in the comment section,
you know, things like I’ve never heard of them, what are they? Well, there you are.
– They’re cookies. – They come in different
flavors though don’t they? – Burton’s Food Limited, I’m
seeing where they’re made. – Burton, I reckon. – I think they’re made in Birmingham. – Okay so nowhere near Maryland. – Not Birmingham, Alabama, the real one. – Yeah, sweet home Alabama. Okay, right, this week, let’s
crack on with the first one. We got Joseph from
Hertfordshire in the UK, that’s a place I used to
cycle my little legs around when I lived in London,
worked there as well. Anyway, after watching the
cheap bike, super bike series Joseph decided what he really
wanted was a custom paint job. Yeah, Joseph my paint spraying wasn’t really up to scratch, was it? I’m looking forward to
where this is going. Anyway, the paint on Josephs
Cannondale was looking particularly grimy after
a winter of riding. Covered in chips and scratches,
he wanted the feeling of riding a pristine new bike. Using some Spray.Bike paint
and stickers from eBay, Joseph went to work (hisses) We can do that, can’t we? – Yeah.
– Do it. (hissing) – There we are. After a lot of sanding and
some nice weather for painting, this is the result. Right, so here we are
first up, there’s the old, that’s like the old leaky gas, isn’t it? – Yeah I used to have one like that, not that paint scheme, but yeah. – Yeah. There it is, sanded down and primed. – I hope he’s removed his
dork disc off the back. – Oh yeah, look at that
on the previous one. Okay, there it is painted, little butterfly on the head tube. – Dork disc removed! – Oh, good work. And that’s an old Cannodale
logo as well, isn’t it? – It looks like he’s made that logo and stenciled it and stuck it on. – Yeah, don’t know, I quite
like the detailing as well. The cables, those Jagwire cables, braided. – The butterfly logo
thing he’s put on there. – And also this sort of pinky things. – Some nice, yeah,
personal touches on there. – No, I like what Joseph has done, Joseph’s sort of hidden it
in amongst the shrubbery of his back garden. – Among the shrubbery! That’s a Monty Python reference. – Okay, didn’t get it. (laughs) These things are lost on me. I only live in a certain era. – And it’s not Monty
Python and the Holy Grail. – No, no. I live in a very weird bubble. You live in a weirder one. All right, anyway, I mean I like what he’s done with that bike. I quite like the abstractness
of those little squares. – Yeah. – He’s not doing it for Ollie, I can tell. – I mean he’s, I like it, but let’s see what he’s up against. – Okay well you can, who’s your contender? – Yeah, okay, so he’s up against Aubrey from Montreal in Quebec, Canada and Audrey decided to give the bike a full makeover, all right. Firstly, by getting some nice Campagnolo Bora one 50 wheels and they’ve changed the
decals on those wheels with a softer pink and they
repainted the bike as well. So check this out, right,
I mean there’s other things going on there, we’ve
swapped the chain out for a gold chain but you’ve
got that sort of Scott is that Scott Speedster? – Uh, no, it’s not, it’s a CR1. It’s a Scott CR1, yeah. – Oh, they were so light, do you remember when they came out? – Yeah – Yeah, that was like the
first mega-light carbon bike. – Really established Scott
as a lightweight bike brand. – I like that without the paint on. – With the paint off it,
you can see the lay up, that’s really cool isn’t it? – Looks like Audrey is
something of a cabinet maker or something, just look
at that background. – I know, that is a lot. – That old Coca-Cola thing
just there above the top tube. Send that in my way, I like that. All right, there we are, sanded down. Obviously a bit of masking going on there on the inside of the forks. – I mean it’s definitely
cabinets being made there. – That’s a big old sanding
machine there as well, isn’t it? – Yes. (mumbling) – Look at that paint. – Oh, glittery! Oh, wow, Audrey, Audrey! We’ve got ourself a very
nice looking bike there. – Very smart, those Boras are
cool as well, aren’t they? – The gold chain. Pink speed plates. – Matched with a pink bar
tape on there as well. A new saddle, that’s really nice isn’t it? Pink speed plates, oh what a detail. – Yeah, spoiling us
this week, aren’t they? – I think that’s a great upgrade selection and that’s a worthy Bike Vault
submission photo as well, he’s been taking notes, clean background, valves in the right position. – Slightly, however–
– Biggie Smalls, gold chain. – Well, it’s a bit over
exposed on the front wheel Campagnolo logo.
– Yes, a little bit. – Yeah, just a little bit, a tad. – We were, uh, I’ve been getting messages from people telling me that gold chains are out of stock throughout the world – Is that right?
– Yeah. – Thank us, thank us. – I knew it was a great,
was idea doing that insider trading deal and
buying shares in gold chains. – Yeah, KMC.
– Great, nice. – Oh, yes. Anyway, right, enough of all this, you need to vote top right hand corner and we will announce the winner and, well, there’s no cookies up for
grabs next week, is there? – No. – No. – Bike Vault time now
where you submit pictures of your bikes and we
judge them to be either nice or super nice, and
if they’re super nice then they get submitted
into the Bike Vault. – Oh yeah, so if you don’t
know how to get them in, or well try and get them,
into that Bike Vault make sure you use the uploader tool found in the description below, and who knows, maybe you’ll be able to break in. Now Ollie, this week mate
I’ve got a couple of options for you to ring, so I’ve
got the bell, your favorite, and I’ve also got the part
tool headset cup remover, or also press fit bottom bracket remover that sounds a bit like a tuning fork. (bell chimes) – Cool. – Yeah, which one would you like to ring? – None. – Okay fine, brilliant, as standard. Right, go on then Ollie,
start us off this week with the first submission mate. – First up we have Cedric from Loas. – Oh, nice. – [Ollie] Is it louse or layoss? – [Jon] D’you know what,
I’ve always, I think I’d probably say layoss
but lousse, layoss? Dunno. – Let us know in the
comments section below. – Yeah like phonetically
spell it out for us. Is it L A Y -oss, layoss, or is it– – I’ve not been but it
looks lovely, anyway. – The vantage is out there, we can actually look first hand. – We can, he’s got his
ALAN Super Cross Scandium it’s like the cross-gravel bike. I tell you what Jon,
since we did that video on how to get into the Bike Vault, the standard has improved, hasn’t it? – It’s risen, it’s really improved. – I mean, people are listening. I mean, look at that. – [Jon] That looks so good. – [Ollie] In this case, there’s
a bit of dirt on the bike but this is one example
when dirt is allowed because it’s befitting of
a gravel adventure bike and it’s in it’s natural habitat. – [Jon] That’s so good. Is that like a river running
through it or a stream? – [Ollie] Yes, I think that is. – [Jon] And also, the
color scheme of that bike reminds me of the old
ALANs anodised and they had aluminum lugs that weren’t,
you know, they weren’t painted. Yeah, uh, I really, that makes me want to go for a ride
and just enjoy myself. – Yes, it makes me want
to watch Apocalypse Now. – Okay. – But it looks great, I think that’s, I really like that bike,
I think that’s mint. Yeah that’s a super nice, mate. – Which one shall I, which one? – Take your pick. – Okay. (bell chimes) – Super nice! – People right now, ears rattling. Right. – Dogs going mental. (laughing) – D’you know I’ve got
a dog whistle at home, I love to annoy my dog. No, I don’t really. Now, next up is Mark from
China Beach which overlooks that Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. It’s an S-Works Tarmac Disc Di2, hand built Boyd wheels,
lovely looking bike, isn’t it? – [Ollie] Well, I mean
textbook this, isn’t it? He’s not watched the video. He’s not cleaned his chain,
it’s not Biggie Smalls, he’s not aligned his wheel valves. He’s got the light on the back, you could’ve just taken that
light off, light off the front. – It’s not even dark, he
doesn’t need lights on. – [Jon] Safety first, come on mate. No, it’s close, it is close, but no cigar. – Yeah, nice. – Yeah, nice bike. Right, next up. – Next up, we’ve got John
from Winter Haven in Florida, the Sunshine State, and he’s
got his 2017 Cannondale CAAD12 which is precariously
left on a railway track. – We don’t advise that, do we? – No we don’t that’s irresponsible I mean that could
potentially derail the train. – Naughty. – Killing thousands of people
and creating a major incident. – [Jon] Yeah. I think for that reason alone, nice. – Oh right, okay. – Irresponsible behavior. – Irresponsible. – We don’t condone that. Next up is Jacob in Cadouin in France. – Yes, now Jacob has his
beautiful S-Works ViAS Disc he also has extremely long
legs by the looks of things. – [Jon] Crumbs, look
how high that saddle is. – [Ollie] A lot of
seatpost going on there. – [Jon] Look at that bar to
saddle drop is monstrous. – Seriously aero. But that is a stunning
paint job, isn’t it? – [Ollie] That like gold
S-Works logo is amazing. I love the carbon chain
ring, they’re really bling, and he’s got his his
ceramic speed on there. – [Jon] An oversized Poly Wheel system. – [Ollie] I mean it’s seriously
bling and it’s a nice photo. – [Jon] A gold chain
and bolts, we’ve got– – [Ollie] and he’s got a
black chain, that’s KMC black. – [Jon] Is it? – [Ollie] Yeah. – [Jon] The DLC’s, yeah the
logo, the tires, biggie smalls. He’s got some fancy bar end
plugs as well, hasn’t he? – [Jon] Super caz, d’you reckon? – [Ollie] Yeah. – Super caz, super caz? – I think that’s a super nice. – I don’t, is that a wall? – Yeah, it is a wall, isn’t it. – Yeah. – That looks good, I’m just worried that, that position, you’re
going to do yourself some damage. – Well mate he’s probably had
a bike yeah, he’s probably– – Okay, okay. – All right I’ll give it a
ring with this one, yeah? (bell rings) – Super nice! Right, last one? – Uh, yep, last up we have Guy, or he’s from Vancouver
International Airport, maybe his name is Gee. – Or Jee. – Well yeah, ’cause if
he’s French Canadian, I mean I know Vancouver is in BC but, Gee. – Who knows. – Anyway Guy, or Gee, has submitted his, oh stunning, Sikorsky 76-3 air ambulance. Blimey. [Ollie] Wowsers, max speed for this baby. – [Jon] Yep. – 287 kilometers per hour, that 155 knots in
helicopter nautical speed. – Correct. – Max gross take-off
weight 5300 kilograms. – Not a light weight. – Heavy lifter, heavy lifter this one. – Oh, yes! – It’s got a good range as
well, three hours flight time, about 500 kilometers, decent. – That’s not bad at all, is it. – Also can be fitted with
the various optical packages including night and sun vision goggles. You’ve got wide stripe
protection in the rotor blades air conditioning, medical
oxygen, vacuum and air pumps as well, it’s getting those
patients alive in times of need. – Fully. – It’s operated by the BC Helijet air ambulance system there, brilliant. – Well, there is only one
thing to say isn’t there? – Yeah and that is a super nice chopper. – Oh I do love a chopper! (bell rings) More Bike Vault next week! – It’s nearly time to end the show, but we’re going to read out
some comments from last week. – Yeah and then we’ve got a
very, uh, interesting viewers, let’s just say, haven’t we? ‘Cause they tend to notice
all of the strangest little things throughout the week. First up actually is a comment
from Clint Nieves who says This week on the GCN Tech show we have a clean shaven doctor
Ollie with bling hair job. Super Nice. Now you did, you were clean
shaven last week I have to say but your hair, it was just
wind swept, wasn’t it? – I dunno, I’ve never had
a bling hair job before. – Well according to Clint, you have now. – Well, thanks Clint. – He obviously knows a thing
or two about hairdressing. – Certainly does. – James Carl Photography,
he’s obviously a photography – Expert. – Yes, saying Ollie is
starting to sound like Mike Myers character Dieter from Saturday Night Live,
uh, on the skit Sprockets. I’m not familiar with that
particular Mike Myers character. – Not a clue but Sprockets– – I’m going to have to look it up. – Sprockets, cycling,
dunno, probably something. – Ed Jack, did Ollie shave his eyebrows to complete the aero look? – I did, and I’ve stuck
them back on for this week. – I can categorically say Ollie did not shave off his eyebrows last
week, or this week, or ever. Have you ever done it? – No. – No? Remember I told you about
that bloke who said he had that razor and he shaved
them off by mis, yeah anyway. All right (laughs). – Well, adamweb says
you guys are hilarious! Can we get a dedicated
Jon and Ollie channel? – You’re watching it? Well it’s not really
dedicated to us though, is it? No. But yeah, no, no, no. Straight Edge, I’ve always
thought that the Jollie combo, that’s us, that is so bad,
actually we’ll run with that, on GCN Tech show was the best, and the more they do
together, the better it gets. Also Ollie’s accents are killer, I was laughing in tears
at his German accent during the SRUGBE riding
upgrades, bi-upgrade, segment. Proper good that was! 12 out of 10. Well, Straight Edge, you
better stop commenting about his accents, they’re really– – Danke. Danke Straight Edge. – Actually, next week in
EUROBIKE, you’ll be able to, (laughing) oh no, oh no! – Just in case you’re wondering yet, EUROBIKE actually takes place in Friedrichshafen in Deutschland. – I’m dreading this, I’m
absolutely dreading it. Okay, go on then. – Ah I can’t wait now. Rich Fi said every day
is a, is an Ollie Day, because my name begins with a vowel, when Ollie joins Jon on GCN Tech, cue Madonna in the background. – Holiday, holiday, celebrate– – Holiday, ah yeah. – Yeah.
– Oh I get it. – We’ll probably get a content strike now because that was so realistic to Madonna. – Every day is Ollie day. And finally Mitch Smith,
Abbott and Costello, GCN Tech edition. I’ve no idea. Russ Abbott,
Elvis Costello, I don’t know. – I dunno who that is. – I don’t know. – Anyway, we love going
through the comments don’t we because they’re so obscure and abstract. – I think we get the best
comments on our show. – D’you reckon?
– Yeah. – You’ve started a war now, haven’t you? – Yeah, we have. But I think there are some good ones. – Yeah anyway do– – They make us laugh. – Yeah, yeah, and some make us cringe. Do remember though to
stay tuned to the channel ’cause we’ve got heaps more great content coming up, haven’t we? – Yeah, loads of stuff,
your gravel bike things progressing really well. – Well, yeah, it’s finished
now, well actually I’ve got a couple of finishing touches to put on it and, yeah, that was a
trip down memory lane, let’s say, doing that one. You’re going to go out
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77 comments on “Should We All Ride Recumbent Bikes? | GCN Tech Show Ep.87

  1. Ask the poor fellow in our bike club who went off the road trying to follow me around a corner on his road bike. He crashed and was injured, now has to ride a three wheel recumbent.

  2. If you haven't ridddn one (or more), why are you giving uninformed opinions? Saddle sores and back sores?? WTH???

  3. I had a trike and ended up selling it because of a major disadvantage that you did not mention. You can't lessen the impact of a pothole or bump by getting off your seat like you do on a regular bike.

  4. As a guy who has ridden both, I cannot agree with your statement of disadvantages. I used to have a road bike, and now I have a recumbent trike.
    1 stability, changing direction: Well, I wouldn't say it is that much more stable on a standard bike particularly if you lean into corners, and changing direction quickly is better on my recumbent.
    2 Visibility: Again no, as I can see all around me, and when I ride on the road cars give me more room and see me.
    3 Saddle sores, comfort: Um, the recumbent gives me no saddle sores, and is certainly more comfortable then a regular road bike, with no back strain.
    4 Price: Mine is a performer recumbent trike and is a little more expensive, but that is partly because of shows like yours telling people all the dissadvantages to owning a recumbent, when you don't actually own one.
    Yes there are dissadvantages, they take up a bit more space, price (no thanks to you guys), things fall out of regular pockets, but you don't have to wear special bicycle shorts, just regular clothes.
    They are a little harder to go up hills, but not that much harder, with a trike you can put it in a low gear and grind up the hill. I'm not a young guy I'm 47 but I'm not that much slower up hill then a person on an upright Bike with similar fitness. The biggest reason that recumbents haven taken off, is that the UCI has banned them from racing, hence the perception that they are slow, and then people who don't ride them or own them making stuff up about non existent dissadvantages. Yes there are dissadvantages, but ask a person who actually owns one.

  5. I love that GCN have addressed the recumbent Bikes. But I feel really disapointed you were talking about advantages and disadvantages of recumbents without really experiencing a recumbent. I would love to see more experience before talking about recumbents…

  6. Maybe the fella should actually ride a recumbent before being so anti- them 🙂
    Then he'd know that there was no need to shift weight due to discomfort, because they are really comfy due to so much more seat. And marginally harder to balance, but really not a big deal, same as it isn't for a normal bike.

    I had one for a couple of years (for a long commute and because I was getting shoulder aches). The main problem is they are a pain around traffic and towns – you can't see much and you can't yob up kerbs (and you can't really look over your shoulder – at least with the seat I had). Also a big soggy when it rains.
    You get an amazing view of the world though and kids love to point, which does indeed make you smile 🙂

  7. I cannot believe all the negative statements the pair of you made about recumbents in general, when you BOTH admit you have never actually riden any! It's about time you started… I'm sure there are plenty of manufacturers that would be only too pleased to lend you some, then you could experience the different types for yourselves. You may then understand where the smile comes into the equation and be better qualified to give opinions based on actual experience!

  8. I rode a Catrike 700 for a few years because of some back problems. Pros: Less wind issues, less bottom soreness, you can pick up garbage off the road for all your two wheeler friends, more comfortable for long rides. Cons: heavier, going up hill, you have a lot of gears but can't stand and muscle up, more tires to carry in pack, don't get as big an advantage in draft or provide group advantage being in front of pack, can't really use your jersey pockets (I bought a fanny pack and wore it facing forwards). Visibility comment: in all my years riding, I never had an issue with people in front or back of me moving over (cars). What I worried about the most was people coming out of cross streets or driveways and not looking "down". And, yes it does take some time to re-adjust your legs to the new pedaling motion (being out in front instead of below you, does feel a lot different). I loved it, but I loved going back to two wheels once my back got better. It is still hanging from the ceiling in the garage in case I need it again.

  9. I road a touring bike in the 80's, did John O Groats to Lands End, through Europe, and commuted and rode ever since. I had Mountain Bikes up to last year, mainly Cannondale. Then last year I did my back, lower compression fractures, and a disk. Dr said no more bike riding, sitting in a curved position. Got fat. Then brought a German built HP Velotechnik Scorpion FS 26 Enduro (Google it). Basically a three wheel fully suspended recumbent version of an MTB. No you cant ride it like a MTB. No jumps or hard climbs. But it is bloody fantastic. Like a lounge chair on wheels. Already back to 40km plus rides with moderate hills every day. No more sore back, bum, or wrists. Yes, you do have to watch your cornering speeds, your eye level in traffic is low (mirrors are essential), you are wide on bike tracks, and going up hills are slower. But it's the most fun cycling I've had in years, and the thing folds up and fits in the back of the Mini (Countryman). Highly recommend you try one.

  10. Referring to the recumbent section of the show, the big thing for me would be winter riding, having come a cropper on ice over the years the extra stability a recumbent offers is very appealing. Be great to see more recumbent content on the show.

  11. I knew it wouldn't take long before your sponsors started leaning on you for extolling the virtues of recumbent bikes. GCN only exists as a promotional forum for big manufacturers. It's a shame.

  12. The greatest blocker is psychological, which the show fails to notice, but the comments demonstrate very clearly. It's getting on for 100 years (1934) since the UCI banned anything but the illogical, unsafe and uncomfortable diamond frame (or modesty bike for women). There's several generations who have known nothing else. And because we know nothing else we imagine the unknown to be dangerous. There was a time racing drivers refused seat belts because it was 'unsafe' and would stop them jumping out of their cars. As black-boxes (flight data recorders) were being marketed in the 1960s, the Australian pilots' association claimed it would be less safe with big brother listening and hampering cockpit communication. Yet we still have a rule that bans a better bike.

    Every now and again I go back to a DF and I feel top-heavy, vulnerable, wobbly and deeply uncomfortable with my undercarriage. If this wasn't the 'accepted' geometry it would have died a natural death years and years ago.

    The other great myth is that recumbents are a single functional class. Several manufacturers make several types for all the different jobs like commuting, touring, racing, cargo, etc. What do you want to do? how fast do you want to go? There's a recumbent for that.

  13. Cycling industry is severely dominated by over pricing and race orientation.

    They still haven't even made shaft driven wheel as mush… But now another comoany has coneuo with a shaft drive thats a gazillion times more expensive and theyre all over the net popularizing it…

    The real reason why cycling hasnt gotten popular is because of so much discrimination.

  14. Have you guys been living under a rock or in a deep cave? Recumbent bikes, trikes and quads have been around for a very long time.

  15. I don't think saddle sores happen to recumbent riders since the pressure is spread over such a large area (that would be like getting saddle sores from your couch). Saddle sores typically happen because traditional seats place most of your weight onto a tiny little area crammed between your legs. The Bodylink seat on my HPVelo is the most comfortable seat I have ever experienced, even better than any of the high-end Herman Miller office chairs I have owned! The one issue we get is sweaty back, so ventilated seat pads are all the rage. I would love to see you test out a Cruzbike Vendetta V20, which claims to be the fastest bike in the world (and holds an impressive list of accomplishments). Plus, it uses drop bars, 700c wheels and modern road groupsets so it is easier for us to relate to! Heck, the doctor that started Cruzbike would probably even be delighted to come on your show to discuss recumbents since he seems quite the advocate.

  16. I have a recumbent, a velomobile and ofcourse ATB/MTB and race bike. They all have their pro's and con's. Velomobile is very usefull for home<->work use when road use permits as mentioned in video on cons. Recumbent is very comfy bike and i have never back problems any of the recumbent/velomobiles. As with mtb and race bike i get some times neck pains but is more social when riding with a cycle club. I definitely suggest you get some real first hand bike rides with a recumbent please not an extreme one but a good one like a high or mid racer type.

  17. Recumbert tricks, quads and velomobiles are great. I have an ice adventure and would never ridden an ordinary bike again.

  18. Talking about offroad e-bike recumbents, and not mentioning JerryRigEverything's creation? –> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ela3bPtookg

  19. A tilting, tadpole, faired recumbent would be awesome. I’m going to make one! Need e-assist for going uphill though I reckon. Not ideal for urban commuting though – until everyone has got one, when it will be fine!

  20. A trike would make for a good winter bike, as there is no chance of the front wheel slipping out from underneath you on icy roads. You could, of course, still slide around, but it wouldn't send you crashing to the ground, in fact I imagine skidding on ice in a trike could be a lot of fun.

  21. Trikes being less stable??? PFFFT! Granted, it is possible to flip them, and yes, a 2-wheeler may out perform them in bends, BUT, I've still managed to round a bend quicker then a car!

    Oh, and off-road assisted trike? I also have one and manage a considerable speed. Just a bit concerning going down hill in the bush. I managed to average 20km/h down a mountain track once. Interesting experience!!

  22. This is quite obviously written and presented by people who don't have direct experience with recumbents, which was disappointing. As a recumbent rider, I would recommend trying them before reviewing them. I'll never go back to a standard frame.

  23. Your analysis of recumbents was so far off that I was embarrassed for you. If you are going to speculate about recumbents at least take a chance and actually ride one. Watching this was a waste of time. I think your analysis was about as smart as a box of rocks.

  24. From my experience because i use them both the Recumbent, the Road bicycle and the Off road bicycle. The Recumbent most comfort and aerodynamic Particularly if the Recumbent covers. More than that, you would not think about the saddle to let you fell any pain. Also the trike Recumbent give you more stability on road.

  25. Send a man to World Speed Challenge in Battle Mountain Nevada! Go see the fastest bikes in the world race each other this week!

  26. I've slid out taking a corner too fast on my road bike with nasty results. I don't do that any more. I'm way more confident taking a corner at speed, holding an exact line, and far less concerned about falls on my recumbent, which are extremely rare.

  27. I just had thos conversation with a manager of a bike shop. I recumbents were widely accepted and the price was more reasonable that would be great, but how do we make that happen?

  28. 4:30 He has never been on a recumbent and knows what is easier. Okaaaaay…
    GCN, that is not the professional level of information I am used from you.
    About saddle sores: i hear the opposite, you can ride recumbents without strain on hands, wrists and back as on a diamond frame bike.

  29. When I ride my ordinary bike I am way over 6 feet tall and wearing a hi vis top. Pedestrians step out in front of me often (the bell often doesn't help ) I think riding a recumbent would be fun to try, but a crash just waiting to happen. Also surprised with the electric Harley. I always thought their mission statement was to convert a given ammount of petrol into as much noise as is possible.

  30. So, WTF guys? Why didn't you list any of the significant advantages of 'bents. You go on forever about the disadvantages of 2 wheel bents, and you seem to think the cornering of tadpole bents is some kind of dealbreaker (or that's the only conclusion I can come to since you failed to list any of the awesome advantages of them). First, the cornering thing is a problem ONLY if you're racing, and most of us riding trikes couldn't possibly care less about racing.

    About 'bent trikes and hills? they're AWESOME! and I didn't hear you mention it anywhere. You NEVER have to get off and push your bike. You NEVER have to walk. If you're going slow up the hill, who cares? You can stop and relax for a minute and just start right up again. I can't even count how many DF bikes I've passed going up hills on my ICE Sprint X FS26 with Shimano STEPS. In fact, to my recollection, I've never been passed by anyone on a DF going up a significant hill. You DF guys are almost always pushing your bike while walking.

    Comfort, btw, is NOT the only advantage. Where I ride here in the states, there's a wonderful 60+ mile long trail, but that trail has lots of stop signs and areas where you have to stop and wait for automobile traffic. The 2 wheel DF riders have to stop, get off their bike, or lean to one side, etc… I just lay back and NEVER have to worry about balance. I've carried 60 lbs. of groceries in the panniers and banana bags and never once had to worry about balancing issues (and I've tried carrying even 20 lbs. of groceries on a DF and you can forget that–that's an exercise in masochism!!! You have all kinds of problems getting started, let alone the nightmare of coming to a traffic light and having to stop safely and then get started again–no thank you!!!!).

    Really, my trike is kind of my SUV of HPVs. I run probably 90+% of my errands on my trike because it's soooooo easy and so pleasant to ride. Really, you guys should be ashamed for not going over the advantages of trikes. After being on a 'bent trike, I would never, EVER go back to 2 wheels.

  31. Jon is absolutely right that recumbents are a feat of engineeering, which is a lot of the reason why the American Society of Mechanical Engineers hosts a Human Powered Vehicle competition which features a majority of recumbents that have been designed, analyzed, and manufactured from scratch by mechanical engineering students around the world. The competition is what ultimately go me interested in cycling. Definitely something I think everyone from the channel would enjoy checking out!

  32. How can you 2 be so funny, yet are completely unfamiliar with comedic touchstones like Monty Python or Abbot and Costello? Maybe it's all a put on. I hope Ollie is familiar with Laurel and Hardy at least.
    You are poking the hornets nest by dissing recumbent (bent) bikes. The only negatives you mentioned that are legit are climbing and the low sight line. Well maybe cost.
    Anyway keep up the good work. Loving the humorous bike nerds.

  33. A recumbent trail bike doing the jumps and berms, this is what I want to see. Why? Because I hate the dangerous cars and trucks on the road. I can't figure out how I'm going to ride the trail though, with its twists and trees and bumps and short but sweet hills. Maybe it's possible, eh? 2.8 inch tubeless tire is what I'm thinking for it.

  34. I'm liking the "Trust me I'm a bike mechanic" sticker covering up your laptop logo, but it's slightly bugging me that it doesn't look straight 🤪🤣

  35. I've been riding a recumbent for 20 years now, after having put thousands of miles on bicycles with conventional geometry. Here's the deal:. I ride a short wheel base with under-seat steering (USS). imho, much more natural than above-seat. The wobbly nature of your first recumbent ride has more to do with the geometry being different than that to which you are accustomed than physics. Spinning wheels stabilize a bicycle irrespective of geometry. Advantages include speed, comfort, an easy 180 degree plus view of the landscape with no neck fatigue, no hand numbness, ability to lean far through turns with no pedal scraping, and the endless delight of pedestrians curious about the bicycle. Disadvantages include hills (in a friendly competitive ride u have to make up your time on the flats/downhills), snd the constant interruption of your ride by curious pedestrians. i have never found being visible to cars to be an issue. In fact, quite the opposite. The intense stares can be disconcerting at times.

  36. Disadvantages? They are just speculating, they havent even tried them. He talks about being out of the line of sight, getting sores, can't change position, can't go up hills very well because… and so on. Many recumbent riders will put them straight on every one of those points. Still, it is great to see AT LAST that GCN is giving recumbents some well deserved attention. Speed, comfort, and you get noticed far more than on any regular bike (except when you are hiding behind a wall or hedge…whenever wherever that might be I have no idea)

  37. Recumbent TRIKES are the future.
    Especially for seniors.
    The best recumbent TRIKE is the HP Velotechnik Scorpion FS.
    For seniors, the higher seat of the HP Velotechnik Scorpion PLUS is the ticket.
    Check out the TRIOT trike product line. They will impress you as well.
    The ICE trikes of Cornwall, England are at the cutting edge of engineering and have the most comfortable modern seat yet.

  38. Christian Ascheberg rode a 1219 km 24 hour record in a Milan SL, a velomobile you can buy and use for everyday cycling. The average over the first 12 hours was over 55 km/h. I would love to see what a highly trained (former) pro cyclist would be able to do in an hour. It does take some getting used to, mind you, but after some training in a velomobile, it should be possible to push out an hour record of 75 km or more in a bike you can actually drive on everyday roads. I would suggest contacting Daniel Fenn but a production version of a Intercitybike DF, Alpha Seven, a Milan SL or an Evo K would be great.

  39. The problem? GCN used the word "disadvantage", you may as well have kicked a hornets nest. 40+ years on an upright and only 30,000 miles on a recumbent. I'd say you got it pretty much right. Now, get off our lawn.

  40. Stroopwafel! I've been addicted to them this season! I love pulling one out during a group ride. I always get a question or two.

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