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Super Bike Vs. Mid-Range Bike | What Really Is The Difference?

Super Bike Vs. Mid-Range Bike | What Really Is The Difference?

– A few months back, we pitted a bike that we found on Ebay for 100 pounds against this super bike, a Canyon Aeroad, with Shimano’s top of the
range Dura-Ace 9170 groupset. And the results were pretty stark. This one was significantly faster. But what was really surprising
was the margin of victory. I mean, this was on another level. And so it got us thinking,
just how much money would you need to spend in
order to actually shut that gap? And to be fair, many of you
wondered exactly the same thing in the comments section
under that previous video. So we have come back to our horrible climb and our torturous descent
and our flat time trial. But with this, a Canyon Endurace AL 7.0. Now, it retails for just over €1000, or just under £1000, making it a purchase for
a committed bike rider, but very much still in
the mid-range category. It’s got a lightweight aluminum frame. It’s got Shimano’s ever-reliable workhorse groupset, the 105. And it’s also got a very sprightly set of Mavic wheels on there. But just how much faster will
this super bike still be? I tell you what, I’m going to need some help for this, actually. I can’t do it on my own. Matt? Matt! Matt! – [Matt] We’re going to test these, firstly on our horrible climb. It’s not exactly an Alp,
but it’s plenty hard enough. Although just two kilometers long, the average gradient is 11%, and there’s a really big chunk at 22%. – On a climb like this, the
major difference in speed between these bikes is going
to come down to the weight. Now this super bike, if you
remember, is no featherweight. Its major strengths lie elsewhere. But that aside, it’s still pretty remarkably light at 7.3 kilos. – Now remember, our cheap bike weighed in at 11.95 kilograms. For this mid-range bike
also, let’s weigh her in. – 8.9, so that’s a pretty bonkers 3 kilos weight saving between our bargain basement and our mid-range. Although clearly, to save more weight is going to cost quite a lot more money. In this case, what’s that, like 1500 grams costing five grand. – So, Si, let’s put our
money where our mouths are. – Yeah, how much faster
does 1500 grams get you? – Getting a bit nervous.
– Yeah, I am, actually. – I know, it’s a tough climb, isn’t it? – It is, I remember how
much it hurt last time. Right.
– You focused? – Yeah, I think I am, actually. – Right then.
– Okay. – I’m going to count you in.
– Alright. – Alright. (imitating beeping) (energetic music) (imitating beeping) Didn’t get me foot in. Almost disaster at the
start, but here we go. – Run number one and I’m riding the Aeroad and Matt is on the Endurace. We are going to ride this climb flat out. And on paper, you might
expect to see the Aeroad have a margin of victory
of about six seconds, because of the weight saving. But the Endurace may
just have a trump card, because the 105 gears that are
specced on there are compact, so that could allow us to
ride the steepest section at a more comfortable cadence,
a more optimal cadence. Now, we specced the Aero, meanwhile, with standard race-oriented gears, although it does take advantage still of the new Dura-Ace’s ability to use a 30-tooth cassette at the back. But nevertheless, the smallest gear on the Aeroad is still bigger. (upbeat music) (heavy breathing) Hey, Matt. How’d that feel, mate? – Pretty brutal, but not too bad, considering it was my first
ride for quite a long time. It felt really light. Gear selection, although
not quite as smooth as Di2. Functional, no issues with the
gears, nice low gear ratio. And I actually managed to stay seated for the vast majority of the climb, which is saying something,
since we’re talking about that. Do you know what, it felt pretty good. What about you? – Well, I can’t complain, if I’m honest. It’s everything you’d hope, isn’t in? – I was going to say, yeah. – Well, I have to say,
the chain’s a bit dirty. – [Matt] Not much to– – [Si] But you need to scrub it off a bit. – Not much topping that,
it’s better than your shades. Okay, run number two. I get to go on that one. (imitating beeping) – Go on, go on.
– That was quick. That’s not seconds.
– First time, you’re in. Go on, three is enough. – Tell you what, first
impressions, very positive. (imitating beeping) – He’s in! Here we go. Run number two and a quick bike swap. So that we haven’t altered
the bike spec at all, we’re using PowerTap P1 pedals
to monitor power output, as well as just going full gas. Another difference between the two is that while the
Dura-Ace of the super bike has a power meter option, 105 doesn’t. As we mentioned, the
Endurace is really light, particularly for the price. The frame is about 1390 grams, which is only about 300
grams more than the Aeroad. (energetic music) – Whose idea was it to do max effort? (heavy breathing) Terrible idea. (heavy breathing) There he is. Super. Right, well, leaving aside
the fun factor for the ride– – It was fun?
– Yeah. What of the results, Matt? Let’s get straight in there. – [Matt] Well, 10 seconds
quicker on this bike, but– – [Si] 10 seconds. – But for pretty much the same power. So not much, isn’t it? – No, well, to be fair, this one, this one, I, was even closer. Eight seconds faster on the Aeroad. – [Matt] Eight seconds,
that’s not much at all though. – [Si] No, it’s not. – [Matt] Wow. – I mean, to a certain extent,
we can’t be too surprised, because a climb that steep doesn’t really play to the advantages of
our particular super bike. And the weight difference of 1.5 kilos, that’s not the be-all and end-all, is it? That’s probably what’s
made the difference, a shade of 10 seconds or eight seconds. And you know, the other thing that the can come into
play, really, are the gears. But actually the difference
in performance, really, between Endurace and 105
is quite slight, isn’t it? – It is, well, the first thing to mention, of course, is that 105 is a bit heavier. So that’s–
– Fair enough. – So that’s one of the
contributing factors for this bike being heavier. But from a performance perspective, there’s not much separating them at all. There’s 22 gears. They’ve got a similar
array of ramps and pins. Now, the main difference in relation to separating the price points is the materials used and also the manufacturing process as well. – The only other thing that I noticed, and I don’t think it
affected the performance, just perhaps the fun factor
slightly, was just the position. It’s just a little bit more
cramped on the mid-range bike. But I could’ve sorted that out with a swap of the stem,
which wouldn’t cost much. Drop it 10 mil, get an
extra 20 mil longer stem, and that would’ve meant that I probably felt a lot more comfortable. But that’s just what I’m
used to, I guess, as well. – Yeah, I mean, I felt
exactly the same thing. And remember I said I spent
most of the time sat down? I must’ve been, when I got out of the saddle on the mid-range bike, it didn’t feel quite as comfortable. But it felt pretty efficient, sat down. Whereas on this one, I was
out of the saddle a lot more. It just felt far more efficient. But again, same power
but 10 seconds quicker. So not much at all to call it, mate. – Right then, mate, challenge
number two is calling. – Break time.
– No, braking time. Yeah, sorry, not break time. On to challenge number two, braking. Last time the might of the disc brakes versus old, flexy rim brakes, paired with some slightly
ropy wheels, was no contest. In fact, the stopping
distance was almost doubled. – [Matt] What though, when
you have a good set of wheels with a machined braking surface and a really solid set of rim brakes? – The test is a simple one. We ride at 40 kilometers per hour, and then when we hit this
line, we jam the brakes on. Just how long does it take
these bikes to slow down? Run number one is going to be this Canyon Endurace mid-range bike. And on it, we’ve got
Shimano 105 rim brakes. The caliper itself is
made out of aluminum, meaning that it is light
and it’s also stiff. And that’s the really important part, ’cause it means that the braking force exerted by your fingers is
transferred through the cable and then directly into the pads, and therefore onto the
rim, slowing you down. With a flexier caliper,
although your power does still eventually get to the rim, the flex in the caliper means that you don’t have quite as much control or as much feel over what is
happening with the brakes. The other factor that
should help this bike slow down quickly is the wheels. So we’ve got Mavic Aksiums on here, that again, made out of aluminum. They’ve got a CNC machined brake track. And that means it’s
almost a perfect surface for those brake pads to grab onto. (energetic music) Run number two, disc brakes. Now, not much can be
said about disc brakes that has not been said before. Inside the brake line
we’ve got hydraulic fluid, as opposed to a steel cable. So that improves the responsiveness
of them even further. And while those Mavic rims are
very nicely machined indeed, so too are our disc rotors. And whereas with the rim
brakes we’ve just got rubber pads being squished against them, the pads inside the disc brake are much, much harder non-rubber compound. So again, that improves
the responsiveness. And while we might not need all the power that these brakes offer, what we will take advantage
of is the extra modulation that allows us to use that
power more effectively. (energetic music) Well, almost identical. Has that taken us by surprise? Not particularly, actually,
it has to be said, because we know that the brakes on the mid-range bike are fantastic. And actually, disc brakes only really come into their own in the wet. And thank goodness today is not wet, because unlike disc brakes, GCN presenters do not tend to
come into our own in the wet. Now, there is also a slightly funny thing here we’ve got to mention, in that a mid-range bike is almost always going to come with aluminum rims on there, which tend to offer better braking performance than carbon ones. Not always, some carbon rims
are on a par with aluminum. But there could’ve been
a situation here where, were our super bike to
have had rim brakes, it may actually have performed worse in this test than our mid-range bike. That said, a Dura-Ace rim brake caliper would offer better
modulation than a 105 one. And particularly, if you’re able to go for the direct mount option, which means that it bolts onto your frame via two bolts instead of one. That stiffens it up even further. – Right then, so far, so good. The difference between the mid-range bike and super bike is pretty small. But will the tables turn, now
the speed’s about to go up? Test number three, it’s the descent. Unlike the cheap bike before,
there’s not going to be too much of an advantage
with braking here. But we’ve yet to mention the
trump card of the super bike. And like its name suggests, the Aeroad, well, it’s aerodynamic. – Not all super bikes are
going to have that strength, but then, we chose this one
precisely because it does. The Shimano C40 wheels
should save a chunk of time. So the deeper rim on
there means that it causes less turbulence as it
passes through the air. And that’s helped by the wider profile, and what’s called its toroidal shape. Now, because it’s made
out of carbon fiber, it’s still super-lightweight. Were it to be made out of
aluminum, like those rims, then it would probably weigh a ton. Now, you can, of course, stick
those wheels into any bike. But harder to swap are the aerodynamic handlebar and stem on here. But then even more intrinsic to the Aeroad are the very shapes of the
tubes that make up the frame. And they are designed
to cut through the air. (cheering) (energetic music) Well, just like last time, it is tough to truly put two bikes through their paces
downhill on an open road without an unduly high risk
of serious injury or death. But nevertheless, once again
the Aeroad steals a victory. Why, well, we can only guess. But the aforementioned aerodynamics will likely be playing a role, and the increased modulation of the discs also instilled a greater
feeling of confidence in us, meaning that we were able
to brake later and harder. It’s challenge number
four, and it’s crunch time. You remember this? It’s the time trial. Completely flat course, out and back. And I suspect that just as when we put our bargain bucket bike
against a super bike, this one is going to totally crush it. Because aerodynamics are even more important than people think. And that bike is aero,
and this one is not. – And I get to go on this one first. – You do make it look aero, mate. – It does, look at that. It’s just built for speed, isn’t it? – Depends who’s riding it. No, actually, it doesn’t. It’s built for speed, no
matter who’s riding it. – Thanks mate, yeah. (imitating beeping) – [Si] You should’ve held me up, actually. – Go on, Si. (energetic music) (imitating beeping) (energetic music) – Around 300, kept it. 8:39 was the time. God, bit rusty there, mate. Felt fast.
– Yeah. – Was so fast, what of yours? – It felt really good, actually. It’s got to be said, it’s a
world away from that cheap bike. Like it feels fast,
like a proper road bike. But I just have a feeling
it’s just going to be, just not quite as quick as that one. – No, I mean, this, like
I said, it’s really comfy. The only thing that’s wrong with it is the engine at the moment. But no, it certainly felt as quick as I could push it, anyway, mate. – Quick change and then–
– Round two, yeah. Give it another nudge. Super bike time for you, okay. Three, two, one. (imitating beeping) (energetic music) Well, I’m glad that’s over. – [Si] Yeah, so we got to find somewhere for a coffee and a piece of cake, get through these results. – [Matt] Perfecto. – You know what, Matt. I’m not entirely sure what to think here. That mid-range bike clearly represents such great performance for the price. It’s kind of leaving me wondering exactly what it is about a
super bike that’s so super. – Well, one’s thing for certain, Si. It’s good news, because after our cheap bike V super bike test, we were just left a little bit concerned at the cavernous gap in performance. And it’s actually reassuring to know that cycling isn’t the
preserve of the super-rich. And maybe we’re not as elitist as a lot of people previously thought. – Yeah, that is right, isn’t it, actually? Because while there’s nothing stopping the rider of our mega-cheap
eBay bike from having fun, the bike was seemingly
stopping us from riding fast. Whereas in this case, that mid-range bike is super good fun and it is
pretty darn fast as well. I mean, the frame is
what, 400 grams heavier. The groupset behaves flawlessly. And even when we try
and put it to the sword, aerodynamically, it
wasn’t that far behind. – [Matt] It’s a lot of extra money for relatively minor performance gains. Yet just the feel of it
is far more engaging. It’s more agile, it’s more responsive. It’s like it’s willing you on. – At this point, I suspect that you are going to be split on this. For many of you, this is just a sign that you do indeed get minimal return for your extra investment
when you buy a super bike. It is, of course,
predominantly about the rider. And actually, you probably think that Matt’s previous statement
is just a bit fluffy. Sorry, Matt, it’s true. But then for many of you, you’re going to agree
wholeheartedly with Matt. And that, yes, you can’t actually explain the difference between these
two bikes with stopwatch alone. Can you quantify just what makes that super bike so rewarding to ride? – Well clearly, Si, there has to be something tangible that
distinguishes super bikes, because many people are
lucky enough to own them. And if that wasn’t the
case, they wouldn’t. Now, us as cyclists, it’s a fact, have become far more attuned at noticing very small differences. So drop your tire pressure, for example, by 20 PSI, and you’ll know about it. Drop your saddle height by two mil and it’s going to drive you insane. So as long as there’s going to be a measurable difference,
you’ll know about it. So whether it’s downhill,
whether it’s on a climb, whether it’s braking, or
whether it’s on the flat. It’s no surprise that we
can still perceive that. – Yeah, that is true, actually, isn’t it, when you think about it. ‘Cause if you extrapolate
out our short tests, in percentage terms, on
the climb, it was 2%. On the TT, it was 4%. So over an hour’s ride,
that would then be what, two and a half minutes, roughly? And so on a two hour
ride, that’s five minutes. Quick maths there. And you would definitely
notice if you got to the cafe five minutes earlier, wouldn’t you? – [Matt] So would your mates as well. – That’s a good point, actually. And not only that, you’d also have to buy another coffee, wouldn’t you? But I still can’t get
away from the fact that that Endurace gives you so
much bike for the money. I mean, in terms of groupset alone, when the bikes that we were
racing on not 10 years ago, the Dura-Ace, I don’t think
was as good as this 105. I mean, it was 10-speed, this is 11-speed. The shifters were a lot bulkier. Like, that’s just amazing. That costs a grand and you
could race on it brilliantly. – I mean, there’s no doubt the difference between that eBay bike and
the mid-range bike is vast. And we should also throw in another slight curveball when buying a super bike. Although it performs
better in every regard, spending that bit more money also allows you to tailor the bike. Now, 7.2 kilograms is pretty light. You could buy one for five
kilograms and climb faster. – Yeah, you could. Or actually, you swap out the wheels on that one for deeper ones, and you could go even faster on the flats and on descents as well. So having more money does allow
you more choice, doesn’t it? – But that still leaves plenty of room to go further and find
value in a super bike. Yeah, the differences aren’t that big, but they’re still
significant and measurable. And that doesn’t even take into account the kind of unquantifiable
side of things as well. – Yeah, I mean, like we said, you get to the cafe five minutes earlier. That’s measurable and
significant, isn’t it? – Definitely. – Measurable in terms of
time and also finances, ’cause you got to fund
that extra flat white. – And probably caffeine
dehydration on top of that as well. – Yeah, complex topic. Now, I would imagine that this is going to stir up quite a bit of debate. So if you are not in the
comments section already, please head down there and let us know what you think on this subject. Do you feel that there
isn’t enough of a difference between a mid-range bike and super bike to justify that extra expense, or do you feel that you can easily justify a super bike if you can afford one? Make sure you let us know. – Yeah, now, if you want
just a little bit more of a detailed look at this very subject, why not watch our geek edition over on the tech channel to find out? – Yeah.

93 comments on “Super Bike Vs. Mid-Range Bike | What Really Is The Difference?

  1. Thanks for this video, it gave me confidence that the Endurace (I ordered AL 8.0) will be more than adequate as a mountain biker's alternate ride.

  2. Have you guys reviewed the grail? I’d love to see your opinions on it. I just purchased the grail cf sl 7.0 and after a couple rides I love it. I’d be very interested in your professional opinions.

  3. Obvious advantages in the super bike – but the laws of diminishing returns apply here. You have to spend a helluva lot of money for a (comparatively) small increment in performance. The black art is finding that 'sweet spot' where financial outlay can be realistically justified, vis-a-vis performance. Nice video again guys.

  4. The diminishing returns curve on bikes is incredible. I can't really justify the money that a superbike cost unless you are racing professionally where a few seconds can make or break you.

  5. As someone who is just about to buy a midrange bike this is wildly encouraging. I obviously don’t need to spend any more. Your results are reflected in nearly all purchases these days: cheap electric guitars are almost indistinguishable from those costing 6 times as much; you can get a good stereo for the merest fraction of a top of the range one which will sound only slightly better. Great news for the not uberly wealthy.

  6. It is impossible to test the difference by a human. Even if it is tested by the same person. Due to nature condition and the daily condition of the rider varies. You can do the testing by computer. where you can input the weight of the bike, the smoothest of the shifter into a computer. By that, you can calculate the wattage needed to reach point B from Point A.

  7. I think we overlooked my favorite thing about a super bike…namely, when pushed to the max, it responds beautifully for like an uphill 15+ percent sprint and any sprinting max power situation. So I think super strong riders might enjoy these benefits more. Think about it, wouldn’t you dream about riding a super bike while being at your best fitness?! Going zero to 30 as fast as possible is is way too much fun!

  8. had this playing off my laptop speakers and i was answering some emails and my mother walked in and thought i was watching porn because of the breathing lol.

  9. Would be cool to have a comparison of "5 years old superbike" with dura ace of that generation and being not so aero against either a "modern superbike" or a "modern mid range". That'd be really useful for people to decide how to spend their 1000 pounds… "new mid range bike" of "5 years old used super bike".

  10. I say if you can afford the superbike comfortably than why not, it's better performance. The mid range is just 10x more worth it for the money. I think the biggest difference that can be made that was not even mentioned is the difference in the rider. There was a minute difference between the two riders in the climb and I bet losing 5kg of weight on your body makes a bigger and cheaper difference than paying to have those 5kg removed on the bike. Food for thought.

  11. The differences may seem marginal but it still boils down to the fact that you have to put out more power to keep up with folks on nicer bikes. Even if it's just a 10 watt difference, that starts to HURT after a while and could be the difference between getting dropped or not.

  12. I was very fortunate to get a Scott foil RRP £2,900, for £1300 in an end of line sale 3 years ago. It was the Best Buy I have ever made. The difference this made from my previous low range bike was huge.. I was riding 3.5 mph quicker within days. It is comfortable and so responsive and I can ride for hours comfortBly. Always spend the maximum you can afford. I always enjoy the advice on GCN and have used a number of their tutorials to help me. Thanks guys

  13. Your tests were superb and just clarify my hesitation on splashing out thousands of pounds on a superb bike. I won't invest in a super bike as I don't enter competitions I just enjoy recreational riding so spending between £800 and £1,700 is enough for what I like out of a bike. Speed is great but so is the thrill of just riding the bike outdoors and connecting with nature. However, I completely understand the unquantifiable feel of a superb bike so will have to trust your opinion! However, does it make a bad/average bike rider a better cyclist? There are a lot of rich people or posers who think they are a lot better than they really are with expensive bikes which is irksome!

  14. Only just came across this vid now so a bit late to the party.
    Just wanted to say, whatever anyone's opinion on the bikes, I thought you guys presented the test really well so thanks very much for your work.

  15. In the 1980s I bought and rode a Cannondale. In the 2000s I bought and rode a Cannondale (Shimano 600). Both were great bikes for their time. Now in the late 20-teens I have a cheap-ish Chinese factory mass made bike. It has Shimano 105, etc. and is better in every way than the far more expensive bikes of my past. At my age I'm just happy to be riding, and to be on a better bike, for a lot less money, than I had when I was racing.

  16. These results don't surprise me at all. There's a phenomenon in pretty much every industry where the ratio of marginal gains in quality to extra dollars spent decreases as you go into the higher price brackets.

    Or in more mathy terms, the second derivative of a graph of quality to price is always negative (though the first derivative is hypothetically always positive).

    This phenomenon is true when it comes to computers, musical instruments, cars, and indeed bikes.
    That's why luxury is, by its very nature, an inefficient usage of money, although most of us are willing to pursue it regardless.

    I say if you can afford the super bike, then go for it. You'll be paying more than what a motorcycle would cost, but if that's your dream machine, it's your right to buy it.
    For practical purposes, I'd stick with bikes definitely under a 2k budget.

  17. Comparing bikes with completely different cassettes doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
    Because I live and ride in flat terrain, I swapped out a 11-32 on my Endurace for an Ultegra 11-23 and not only does it feel like a completely different bike, I also gained more average speed, because fine tuning your cadence is a lot easier using a 11-23 and the price for a cassette surely doesn't break the bank.
    I'd love to see the same test using identical gearing.

  18. I went from a cheap bike (Reid Falco, Australians have probably seen them) with 105 to a 2017 Specialized Tarmac sl4 with newer 105 groupset and axis wheels (rovals cheap brother) and the difference is just incredible. Even from the mental standing point, riding that Tarmac makes me want to ride more to some extent, so even with that small upgrade the difference in feel with the bike is huge, therefore more time on the bike and better results over time.

  19. I was training years ago try out for USPS team. I used a trek 400 and it was great bike. 20 miles in 30 minutes is fast for extremely heavy bike. I would gone with mid range bike any day. Ripped pavement up. Still love it.

  20. I'm wondering…. According to official site… Canyon Endurace AL 7.0 2018 weights 8.36 kg in size M… How on earth they measured 8.9 kg with light road pedals? Is this bike size L? Are the official specs wrong? My Fuji Roubaix 2019 size M weights 9.1 kg with 380g heavy pedals and 100g bidon carriers (me measuring, not official specs). Makes my Fuji even slightly lighter bike for less money…

  21. Interesting and insightful test! I wonder how much closer the gap would be if the Endurace was fitted with the Dura Ace and deep section carbon wheels… Hmmm…

  22. I still prefer my HEAVY entry-level, endurance-geometry Claris bike if I’m riding over 100km or on a trainer in winter. Under 50 miles with groups I’m usually on a CAAD12 with SRAM Red 22 and Dura Ace 50mm aero wheels. On long, solo rides, comfort is everything to me, even 2-3 mph slower average is okay. I’ve already decided my next bike will be no better than 105, and the left over money will be spent on frame comfort and the best wheels I can afford.

  23. Am I the only one who doesn’t really care about the money and range of a bike like really I sometimes just ride my rusty old mountain bike in a pair of jeans I feel silly riding a top of the range super bike and wearing skin tight clothes.

  24. I can see the problem of heavy bikes in the beginning. Lifting 9 kg with one arm obviously is the limit for a cyclist.

  25. Definitely highlights the difference between my midrange and my buddy's closer to superbike on our rides (barring the difference between riders). Glad to see I'm not that terribly far behind though. Just gotta keep at it. It's still leagues ahead of my regular beater road bike.

  26. We ride up to the lake once in awhile and she stops and takes pictures of the chipmunks. I'm not sure we need to spend $4,000 for a bicycle.

  27. Man thos bikes are heavy there arms where shaking when they lifted the bike they hit there 5 lb limit

  28. I think before moving away from the mid-range, unless you have a lot of income to flush away, you need to be looking at yourself and how you can optimise your own physical performance. I've only recently got heavily into cycling (last 2 years) and previous to that I spent 12 years weightlifting / bodybuilding, i'm 5'9 and once topped around 95kg, i' now around 82kg which for my height is still a little stacked …if I can drop to 77/78kg then i'm sure that would provide a much bigger boost than a super bike would give. I'm sue there are many casual riders in a position where they could potentially move weight and improve themselves …much cheaper than spending £5k + on a bike! Of course, if I did have £5k …i'd blow it on a better bike haha!

  29. you have to take into consideration,things like ,how many times im cycling per week, what is my level ,for what purpose i need a super bike ,will i compete semi -pro? do i really need the cutting edge of aerodinamics ,could i compensate the diference with some complements ,like tyres ,rims etc? and for the average cyclist ,i would say ,you dont need to pay a super bike, to get and almost one for half the price.

  30. Same story in every sport or hobby, above midrange segment of tools/equipment its an utter ripoff and the tiny advantages dont scale with the price in any excusable manner. In many cases this starts already in midrange, thanks to branding alone … you can find bikes of that midrange quality for less money, as a lot of parts and frames dont have such expensive brands while having practicly the same product.
    As long as you dont earn your income with winning in competitions it is simply dumb to fall for the HighEnd offerings.

    BUT, we need fools falling for it … as it is the HighEnd segment pushing development and eventually pushing down new things into the lower pricesegments. So if you meet one who spend ridiculos amounts of money on such things without being professional, dont laugh out loud or tell him that he is a fool, he has some use to you after all 😉

  31. You smuggling budgie's down there or what?? .. I heard they go all still and quite when in dark comfined spaces. Must be quite lucrative. Or are you just happy to be [email protected]=3 sorry mate girlfriend keeps downloading your posts. She don't even have a bike;(

  32. just picked up a raleigh for $20.00 us and love it didn't have to pay a fortune for a carbon fiber superbike..

  33. I guess it depends on usage, for a recreational biker a standard bike would do perfectly fine, but if you're into long distance endurance rides or competitions having a super bike helps.

  34. … But if the color is not 'sexy' … there might creep in a bit of buyer's remorse … which translates to more hysterics … caffeine … etc.

  35. if your a big time club racer an rich it's super bike , if ya a wk end warrior and fit it's mid range 1k bike , if ya fairly fit but poor it's a decent 2nd hand vintage bike from eBay

  36. There is always the Law of Diminishing Return for any equipment or training regime, but that's OK. I have both the cheap and expensive versions of a particular Jackson guitar, and the expensive one is worth every cent. The cheap one is for sale. I'm waiting until I can afford an Aeroad with AXS SRAM to replace my aging Bianchi.

  37. great video lads as always. I agree the differential in quality is not much once you pass a certain bike price point!

  38. I think you should include a test on the resistance in the hubs. I found that my old cheap bike wouldn't coast as fast as a more expensive bike. This resistance adds up over the miles.

  39. Personally, I think one needs to stay mentally grounded when choosing a bike. If you are 130 pounds, racing on a world stage, and other people are paying for your gear, let the sky be the limit. But if your an aging Clyde like myself, you really need to consider diminishing returns. I have bikes that cost me $10K USD, $7K USD, but my favorite of my fleet is an $849 USD Ebay scored Pinerello Opera with 1997 Campy Chorus. Love every minute of being on it.

  40. Hey so which riding style is better having a Steph firm bike with controll or a good bike with less control of your riding? Also which Gear cassette is better for riding a 10 speed or a 11 speed cassette what puts in the most work while you're riding the bike?

  41. People seem to be overlooking two key factors:

    1. Income – this is by far the biggest variable. People's income varies much more widely than the price of bikes. If your income is 250K/yr this is a much different question than if your income is 25K/yr. Quite simply, you can't answer the "Which would you choose and why?" question independent of income or wealth.

    2. Aesthetics – some people might scoff at this, especially if they can't afford a superbike, but some of us like having beautiful things. To me, this is more important than 30 seconds in a time trial, which I never do. My bike sits on a trainer in my apartment and I consider it a work of art that I look at all the time, as do guests.

  42. Let's be honest. Part of the superbike thing for us mere mortals is about owing something truly special. We might not be able to afford a Ferrari, but we can get close to the Ferrari of another sport. Some ppl spend alot of money on golf clubs… essentially shinny sticks!
    Ride & let ride ✌️

  43. I bought a super bike for £2000 Merida Scultura Disc Team Edition. RRP £6500. Because it's 2nd hand 2017. Carbon, Dura Ace Di2, with discs. 7.5kg with aero design and wheels.

  44. This is really disappointing, I’ve been blaming the bike for years and now I’ve got no excuse, also no need for the upgrade I’ve been frothing over for ages.

  45. you could also slap on some really good aero wheels on the endurance bike. The performance gap between the bikes would be even smaller and you would be saving a lot of money.

  46. I have a 2012 annondale synapse. Full carbon sram apex. Retailed for about 1500 in its time. Always wondered how much better id actually be on a high mod supersix evo with sram red or dura ace group set.

  47. I would like to see an expensive frame with midrange groupset VS midrange frame with high end groupset comparison

  48. I so want a canyon Endurace but student finance says no😂 I’m not convinced upgrading my 2014 Felt f95 will be worth the money

  49. i ride a 2012 Norco CRD2 it is honestly the best road bike i have owned i manage a average of 50 km on flats, an about 75 km on downs.. yet i am born in australia so it comes down to rider an performance im sure if you put me on the endurance an booked me a flight.. i could drop those times significantly.. to a good 6 minutes.. i do a lot of training an my training routes are up to 120 km a day! with rest every second day! i endurance race i xc race, but honestly i find i have ridden carbon aeros an so on carbon mtbs so …. on ! i find punishing an pushing to discipline a harder win for myself is where it comes down to…. must rememeber some of the best record times from racers where the ones who had the cheapest gear

  50. Gearing is not held equal AND the start was not equal. Both riders should be clipped in, with legs at the same starting angle and gearing should be identical. While entertaining, this comparison is a farce.

  51. It’s hilarious that we’re expected to believe that a bicycle that costs 1,000 pounds is “mid-range.”

  52. I just built a 2009 ex-Team GB Pinarello Prince with ebay sourced Dura Ace 9000, American Classic Aero 420 wheels and K Force Light chainset. Same weight as the super bike, same cost as the mid-range bike. So, for VFM, slightly out of date superbike for me.

  53. I am not a fit enough athlete to really benefit from the marginal gains that the super bike allows. I have a 2019 CAAD12 Ultegra and it's pretty amazing, and I don't need anything more super than that. Thanks so much for this video!

  54. Couple things first:

    If you can afford a super light 5k bike, then go for it and good luck.

    If you cannot afford a 5k superbike, DO NOT BUY ONE. Seriously. If you have to buy it on credit and the payments are more than you can comfortably absorb, put in your wish list and leave it there.

    When I take my main bike out for a ride, (a Merida Race lite 90, cost £599), I meet all sorts of people on all sorts of bikes. Most of them are within the £300-1500 price range, with a geat many Carrera and Boardman bikes bought on the CTW scheme but, once in a while, some featherweight on a carbon whippet will whizz past me with a quick wave and off he/she goes. Fantastic stuff. My ego isn't so fragile that I get mad when I get dropped like a hot potato by a girl. I just wave back and continue on my own ride.

    I would like one of those bikes, but I really don't need one, and that's the problem. You might dream of having that bike, but is it the bike you need? No, probably not. Ask yourself what you're going to use the bike for, and answer honestly. If you're going to be racing, but a race bike. if you're just going out for social or solo rides on nice days, buy a nice day bike.

    Don't fall into the trap of must have the best. The best is not always the most expensive or high tech. My Merida is the best bike for me right now, because of what I use it for. I ride maybe 100 miles a week on average, mainly on B roads and dedicated cycle tracks. Its easy to maintain, cheap to replace parts if need be, but light and fast enough that I can have fun on it. Can I compete with the racers on thier whippets? No, but I'm not trying too, nor am I trying to impress anybody with how much I can spend. Nobody gives a crap.

  55. A better comparison would be Tarmac S-Works disc versus Tarmac Expert disc. Because you're paying only about a third for the Expert model but you still get the same basic material and design (carbon wheels and only a marginal difference in frame material).

  56. Also, there should be a difference in how you define "super bike" versus "halo bike." The Aeroad is a "super bike" whereas usually the top priced models are "halo" bikes in that they have dubious upgrade choices for premium prices that really don't do much for real world performance.

    For me, super bike means no compromises on performance for the sake of price. Today, that means cables must be hidden from 'bar to slave component. And the wheels must be raceable and optimized for top events.

  57. For me, fun is the most important factor. I could get along, very well, with the almost-super bike and have a delightful time going faster,
    riding harder than most people. But your points on coffee stops are well taken. Thanks for the work it took to make this video.

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