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The Challenge of Heavy Wagon Hub Bands | Heavy Wagon Wheels | Engels Coach

The Challenge of Heavy Wagon Hub Bands | Heavy Wagon Wheels | Engels Coach

Last week we bored the tapered hole for the center of the hub to receive the boxing. But before we can press the boxing in we need to put the final hub bands on around these hubs. Otherwise, when we press the boxing in it would just split the hub. These have fairly heavy hub bands. The ones up against the spokes are three eighths by two and the outer ones are three eighths by two and a half and three eighths by three and a half. So this is the process of rolling, sizing and setting these heavy hub bands on the Borax water wagon hubs. Now I like to purposefully roll these a little under sized. It’s a lot easier to open them up than it is to readjust this roller to make them smaller. Now these end hub bands are particularly difficult to get, to put on. because they’re going up against this sharp edge so I’m double checking just to make sure they’re round. If they aren’t, I’m going to run them back through the roller and kind of round them out a little bit. The hub bands up against the spokes aren’t near so bad because they have a little taper to the shoulder that they can kind of self adjust. But these ends ones have to be pretty close. And they’re even more particular when they’re as heavy as these are being three eighths thick. Now I want these irons to be kind of a flat black. So I’m going to take some used engine oil and I’m going to heat the irons up to eight – nine hundred degrees and I’m going to dip them in this oil and it’ll take on this flat black appearance, that I like. Well, since these still have some heat in ’em, I’m going to take advantage of that. I’m going to add a little more and go ahead and set ’em on. Setting hub bands that are three eighths thick is definitely more difficult than normal wagon hubs that are only a quarter inch. But I think we made it. Next week we’ll go ahead and we’ll press in the boxings and go from there. Thanks for watching!

100 comments on “The Challenge of Heavy Wagon Hub Bands | Heavy Wagon Wheels | Engels Coach

  1. It must be tough figuring out how much to charge for these jobs.

    The soft tape measures used by tailors work great for measuring round stock; much better than a steel tape.

  2. I have watched a few of your video's and i need to ask "where is your apprentice!" what a loss if you don't pass this on. Thanks very well done

  3. Just a few comments.
    1 A Hyd press is CHEATING LOL!!! But then you are a money making shop, not a period correct public demo shop at a museum 😀
    2 It is nice to see someone demo a traveler, there is not much call for one in most smithing unless you are doing something like bands or setting tires, nice to see it demoed.
    3 Just a personal safety thing but …. ya I understand. Used motor oil will of course blacken the steel, it will also offgas heavy metals so long term, breathing the fumes and smoke can kill you. There are lots of zinc, lead, brass, chromium metals in used oil to name a few. I suspect that a good quench oil will do a similar job of blackening without the toxic problems.
    I guess I am a bit jaded as when I demo and teach I have to take things like that into consideration. Otherwise, it is nice to see your work. OH and a good size ring roller does not hurt either! 😀 Nice demo 😀

  4. I intend to put a steel rim on a 28 inch sprocket weld them together then turn to round and have them spin balanced. I have 20 of these to do I learned a lot from watching this video The little wheel to measure the tire (rim) and bending the the first few inches before using the roller I would have figured out the template but all this was/is very interesting to me. ..I am making a band resaw with these and you give me a lot of comfort. A Huge Thank You for sharing your knowledge

  5. are the hubs made out of popular wood ? man you do some good work …hard work …….i subbed very interesting ………..Eric……..

  6. Your videos bring back many fond memories of my Grandfather and my Dad. My Grandfather was a Farrier, Blacksmith, and Mule Trader for all the farmers back in the day. Oh, and he was a Shoe Cobbler too. I remember watching him and my Dad repair a wheel for a buckboard, mounting the steel tire was a treat to watch. They pulled it out of the fire and dropped it over, he then stood it up in a shallow hole filled with water. My Dad would rotate it pulling up on the spokes while he knocked it true.

  7. I think my favorite thing about these videos are the responses. No sass, no snarky or snide comments. Just admiration and appreciation. And some really intelligent questions. AND some of the detailed and knowledgeable answers from other respondents. Great stuff people.

  8. I enjoy watching you work. I tinker in blacksmithing (just for fun not profit) and I get a kick out of watching things being made the way they once were. Your dedication to your craft is commendable.

  9. Hi Mr Engles; great video thanks. . .
    If you had a "good quality,heavy duty " rolling machine that was secured to the floor, you can roll those hubs without any forge work.
    I didn't think this was possible until i saw it myself.
    However in your situation you need all equipment "moveable".

  10. ******every minute of this half hour session had me vocally aloud saying repeatedly "HOW COOL IS THAT!?"****** LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT!! My Grandfather would have enjoyed all of these works! miss you Lee R. Sutherland! <3 AWESOME! it is knowledges such as this that drove and pioneered us into the tech world of today and it is of UTMOST necessity that we NEVER LOSE such crafts and early pioneering knowledge and expertise!!

  11. You do all that just to kill time? CNC Ring roller, Induction forge and a forging press. All done by lunch. Just curious, how many days did it take you to roll all the flat stock, cut it and weld it? you going for historical accuracy, time wise? lol. nice work kinda!

  12. That ring roller beats anything you can get at harbor freight. You're working to preserve a lost art. Few people are left that can do that type of work.

  13. A Master Craftsman at work, would like to see an apprentice in your shop picking up the skills and continuing the tradition.

  14. Whats the dealio with all the cracks in the wood,whatever the answer surely they "wood" be better without them…..get it wood….oh come on, i'm giving you gold here

  15. I REALLY enjoyed watching your video. I work in a small fabrication shop and i have tools in there I have no idea what they were really used for until now. Thank you. By the way, when you put that last part in the roller I noticed the ends of the flat stock were connected. Did you leave that part out or am I seeing things?

  16. Sir, you are a true craftman and it is always a pleasure to see you at work.
    The way you split the operations and the ease in performing different task with innovations added along the way in unparalleled.
    The only sad thing is that you are working alone and we cannot see a young guy on your side to take over the huge amount of knowledge.

  17. I know I've said it before but the unimaginable labor of doing all the work without modern power tools………………….!
    No Gas torch, circ. saw, hydraulic press, drills, mortise, etc….!!!!

  18. Hi ,I do admire your Work a lot.. is very Professional, question I have a wheel wagon one of the spoke  is damaged ,can you replace the only one spoke or you  do  need to replace all the spokes for better alignment and balance on wheel ?? or probably  the two wheels on this case is the back wheel , thanks…. wheel 42 in diameter  16 spokes

  19. I don't think that you have anyone else juggling the camera(s) but it sure does seem like you have a house full of elves moving the camera and a half dozen directors lining up your next shot all while you are making the work happen right in front of the camera. Nice Work Sir.

  20. Hi Dave;
    A couple of people commented on your hydraulic press and called it a new piece of equipment. Except for the electric motor it looks like one we had that came out of a railroad shop and was built in the 1870s. Someone else asked this question but got no answer. Why do you not preform both ends of the ring in the press before you roll it instead of heating and hammering the second end after rolling the ring? I am over 80 years old but still work in my one man shop where I do antique cast iron repair so it's always fun to look over the shoulder of a craftsman in a different trade who really knows what he is doing! THANKS!

  21. hi Mr. Engels, do you have a shop tour video?   I'm trying to divide my shop in half, wood and steel.  Its harder than you might think.

  22. excellent work done, by single person, by doing alone with all type of works, it is amazing, many many thanks.

  23. Burning question: You refer to 'it' as iron – is that a "term" i.e. it is really steel, or is it wrought iron?

  24. I got nothing but respect for you Old timer.Im 32 years old and my back has seen its best of days many moons ago so watching you do that back breaking stuff like pick up those hubs and set them down ,bending over etc etc I tip my hat to you. Aside from that your work is spot on as you mentioned with steel that thick you had to pay attention to detail.

  25. Раньшн дед делал железные обода на клёпках,как бочки.Станки супер.

    Thanks for not editing in music not to mention stupid music like the epidemic we've been having whereby uploaders edit in music over the original sounds of everything going on in the video

  27. I too am a craftsman and do exacting work, but I would be honored to sweep this mans shop floor and be grateful to be in the same room as this master craftsman. This man is awesome.

  28. Amongst all the Borax waggon builders that I know, you're the best. Seriously though, you are a pleasure to watch. Great videos.

  29. When all of the great tradesmen are gone…we, as a society, will be left to rely on government provision. This will surely kill the spirit of man.

  30. I like the way he starts banging the ring on in the old fashioned blacksmith way, with a hammer, then, probably thinking, "the heck with this", whacks them on with the good old 80 ton press.

  31. ur a monster, I love to watch you work. tell me how was the end of the wheel bands joined in the old days. I assume you mig welded them. could you demo the old process

  32. Nice job. Just a question about the pot with oil. Is it made out of asbestos cement? If so, please be carefull with it. Asbestos has technical advantages, but is pretty nasty for your health.

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