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The End Of Bike Upgrades? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 73

The End Of Bike Upgrades? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 73


(upbeat music) – Welcome to the GCN TECH show. Coming up this week
that’s talk about tires, upgrades, and all the usual features, including don’t ride
upgrades, and the Bike Vault. – Right,sorry I can’t be
with you, this week, lads. But well in case you couldn’t noticed I’m here at Giro D’Italia. Just check out the crowd
waiting for Vincenzo Nibali. But don’t worry, there
is some great content, coming up on the channel this week, including some Pro Bikes that I’ve filmed, not limited to the bikes of Simon Yates as well as Primož Roglič
and a load more tech too, so stayed tuned. (upbeat music) – First up then we have
some hot new tire tech. A couple of weeks ago, Oli
and John gave a sneak peak at some new, Continental gravel tires, we now have the full details
and the tires themselves. Differing from Continental’s
previous off-road cycle cross tires, these are in fact tubeless and they come in 35ml, or as these are 40mm wide. They are the Continental Terra Trial, and Continental Terra Speed and it’s quite obvious, in fact, when
you look at the nobbles which is going to be a faster tire. Apparently, they’re available
in any color you like, as long as it’s black. They’re a premium tire
and they feature the same BlackChili compound as the Continental Four Seasons road tire. Oli tells me he is very
much looking forward to getting a set of these
on his own gravel bike. So look out for a post coming from him on Instagram, I would imagine. Some new Oakley’s have emerged as well. An update of the popular Radar EV, the Radar Ev Advancer,
featuring an adjustable nose piece, to life the lens off the face to prevent fogging. There’s also been an
update of the EV 0 blades. They now weight, an
acclaimed, 21 grams which I think is, frankly, phenomenal. You’ll probably never even know you’re wearing a pair of glasses. More tech later. This week’s hot topic
is all about the death of the upgrade. If we take a look at the
car industry, years ago, modern cars used to be
big business but nowadays, manufacturers seem to have
a more higher performance, sportier version of almost all of the cars in their range. Bigger body kits, bigger wheels,
higher performance engines, meaning that people don’t
put these after-market mods onto the cars and if we
look at the bike industry, the same thing seems to be true as well. Years ago, if you wanted a
high performance race machine, you’d buy your frame and
then you’d spec your wheels, and you’re finishing kit afterwards. Whereas, these days, that
just doesn’t seem to happen. In fact, you could almost
say, it’s actually pretty difficult to go out and
buy a bike and build it in that way. If we take a look at Trek
Madone or the Specialized Venge, for example, the
amount of integration in these bikes means that
it’s almost impossible to use your own after-market kit. You need the correct seatpost for a start, and the bar and stem and in some bikes, you even need the correct
cranks which makes it really difficult to create your own bespoke racing machine. As in the seemingly endless
amount of bottom-bracket standards that appear to
be around these days and it just becomes far simpler
to buy your own complete bike, in the first place. Most brands now even spec their own wheels that have been aerodynamically
optimized for certain bikes. If we take a look at the
Cannondale SystemSix, with the KNOT wheelset that
Si used earlier in the year, they’re saying that, that bike
is faster with those wheels than any other wheels,
meaning that if you did want to upgrade them in the
future, you’re only going to be making your bike
slower and no-one does an upgrade to make something slower. Why is that the case? Well, two main reasons. Firstly, new tech innovation
and heavy integration means that there are no longer
that many widely agreed industry standards and
then secondly, it’s a way for companies to be more competitive and to make more profit. I mean you can’t view that cynically, a company needs to make
money and by putting more of their components and
selling more of their bikes, they’ll effectively be
selling more product. I think it’s good for the consumer though, in that you could end up
with an overall package that is not only lighter
or more aero or perhaps just works better but
it’s potentially also more cost-effective
than it would have been. All of this said though, I
actually don’t think that modifying and customizing
is quite on the way out. So, upgrading is still a thing. I think that is really evident
from the Bike Vault feature, every single week and from
the upgrades that you submit. Let me know what your
thoughts are on everything that I’ve just said though,
in the comments down below. Last week, John and I
discussed just how iconic the Gabba Jacket has
become and Castelli must’ve been listening because
they’ve now launched this limited edition pink Gabba jacket. All of the usual features
available in pink. Continental are not the
only hot tire tech that we have for your this week, no. Deceuninck – Quick-Step
have been using some new, Specialized Project
Black tubeless tires and quite successfully too,
over at the Tour of California. Specialized has a long history
of developing pre-production models with their professional
athletes as part of their Project Black scheme that they use. Fabio Jakobsen, their star
sprinter, seemed absolutely over the moon, especially with the tubeless technology that they feature. – Yes, you know, I am
really in love with them because it takes the bumps
better and the corners and I feel more confident, for sure. Especially, when you’re
going quite sideways and on high speed and
yes, when breaking, I feel I have more connection to the road. From now on, if the team allows me, I race with them all the time, I think. (drilling sound) – It’s now time for one of my
favorite parts of the show, Screw Riding Upgrades, Buy Upgrades. Last week’s victory was a
whopping 86% of the vote and that went to Ben’s KG361, his LOOK. Don’t forget though, if
you want to get your hands on one of these, you need to first submit you bike via the uploader tool in the description down below. This week’s contestants are, we have Jussi from eastern Finland. After killing a few old
bikes through the winter, Jussi was forced to buy a new bike. Jussi did go with a
cheap hybrid-style bike with enough tire
clearance, Biltema it was. Around the second winter with his bike, as it was just beginning,
Jussi started to consider having some bar ends to allow a longer, lower riding position. Speed is important in the snow and ice, don’t you know? Fortunately, Jussi came to his senses and went for deep drop bars instead. Because the bike is built with V brakes, it meant that Jussi had to seek suitable brake levers but to keep
the gear lever as it is to keep the build simple. He kept the wheels, the
frame and the fork and rear derailleur and the
seatposts, gear cabling and most of the gear level,
that’s pretty clever but he did upgrade the
bottom bracket, the chainset for something more suitable,
gearing, better V brakes, cables, new brake levers from TEKTRO and Quill A-Head stem adaptor. Genius. He rebuilt the gear lever mounting with a hat chain catcher. Ah look at the picture. There’s the before and that’s quite the transformation into a snow machine. From hybrid into what looks
like just a perfectly, versatile road bike. I like it. Especially, with the V brakes. I imagine those brakes are
actually pretty powerful for a cross-style bike. Right then, next up we have Sean and I’ve actually gone for a
weird submission this week. Instead of choosing another bike, Sean has submitted his workshop. You can still choose which is the better upgrade, of course. Over the last couple of
years, Sean has built up a collection of tools to
fix and service his bikes. After getting fed up of
having to rummage around through several boxes and
drawers to find a load of tools, plus not having enough
work space, Sean decided to build his own home, bike workshop. After clearing out an unloved
corner of Sean’s garage, he resprayed the garage
door and built a bespoke workbench from plywood,
with bench repair stand along with a new strip light fitting. He wasn’t finished there though, Sean then racked out the back panels
with Bott Perfo tool panels to display all of his tools. Sean built a tower holder
and used an old pair of handle bars to store his foot pump. That’s a clever idea. Sean loves the show
and would love to see a GCN workshop tour. We’d love to see a GCN
workshop tour as well. In fact, I’d love to see
John Cannings’ workshop and I’m sure I’m not alone in that. But look at these pictures though. So there you go, from an
unloved corner of the garage to a bespoke workbench and tool stand. I think that looks absolutely amazing. But it’s not up to me,
I don’t get to vote and I don’t get to decide the winner. If you do want to vote,
make sure you click on the poll on the top right-hand corner of your screen and to be
in with a chance of winning a CamelBak Eddy bottle
yourself, submit your upload via the uploader tool in the description below. Bike of the Week announcement now and last week it was the
Androni Giocattoli Bottecchia versus the De Rosa from
Israel Cycling Academy, and with 61% of the vote, it was Conor Dunne’s De Rose. No new Bike of the Week, this week. We’re saving that for special
occasions, going forward. It’s that time of the week,
we’ve all been waiting for. It’s the Bike Vault. Don’t forget if you do
want to see your bike featured in the Bike Vault,
you need to upload it via the uploader tool which is down in the description below. There’s only one thing missing though and that’s the bell. Whey, there it is! Right then, first up, this week, we have Joe’s Poseidon X, from
Cornwall, Ontario in Canada. And that is one of the
most functional looking bikes I have seen for a while. Finished, he says sports
utility bike, which I think is a pretty cool
way of naming a bike. It’s a Poseidon X frame built up with an Alex Boondocks 650 wheelset, Panaracer Gravel King 47ml
tires and Avid BB7 brakes, Shimano Tiagra 105 cranks,
Ritchey’s seed stem as a cell, so they’re more than 30ml stem and I just, I think that looks amazing. I’m the only one making the decision. So, for me, it’s going to be a super nice. (bell ringing) I’ve also learnt that
actually not ringing the bell that hard works better. Next up, we have a Lynskey, titanium bike. This comes in from Timothy
in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. Getting us a nice rail to
trail miles during the dirty Kanza Training Ride. Hoping to find my ride a super nice. I do actually, to be really honest, it’s really simple. It’s a super nice from me. I just love everything about it. I’m not a fan of these gravel bars but then I’ve never
ridden on a gravel bike. So, I wouldn’t know what
I’m talking about really. But I do think that bike
looks like a good day out. I think it looks fun,
I reckon it will handle pretty well, it looks
neat, it looks clean, it looks tidy, it looks like they’ve put a lot of thought into there and it’s going to be a long ride
because you’ve got lights front and back. For me, that is a super nice. (bell ringing) Next up then is Brain
with a Cervelo P3 Aero with drop bar conversion and
these bikes, I love these. Just the angles of these
bikes looks so good. Location: the Mighty Muddy Fraser River, just outside Williams Lake, BC. I was looking for a sturdy bike to put a lot of training miles on, when I found this classic go-fast aero bike further down the province. Seems the age and 650C wheels have made it a hard sell. I didn’t even notice the wheels, they look like they’re the right size. In fact, I never knew that Spinergy made their wheels in a 650 size. He went to see if for
himself, the owner’s old race bike and bought it for triathlons. This looks absolutely amazing. He’s been going to tri’s
in Brazil and New Zealand and even Connagh in
2003 before sticking it in the storage, the previous owner. Wow. I think that is cool
that, that bike lives on. I love Spinergy four spoke wheels. So, for me, it’s pretty easy. It’s going to be another super nice. John, Oli or anyone else are not here to argue with me so. (bell ringing) There we go. David is up next with his
1998 Klein Quantum Pro, and if you remember a few weeks ago, we had a Klein on the show and I fell in love with that straightaway and it’s the same story here. Klein’s, they’ve got the
most amazing paintwork in pictures, I’m a big fan of them. This picture was taken
before a mixed terrain race, Tour of the Battenkill, in Northern New York, USA. He started cycling for weight loss in 2012 and was looking to get into road cycling. He’d a very good friend
that raced road bikes. He had a Canyon and this Klein. He decided that he
couldn’t race two bikes, so he graciously launched
him into race cycling with a beast that is the Klein. He’ll admit, for the first three years, he didn’t know what he had or how to properly put together a bike. That’s now changed and this is his baby. It’s got aluminium frame, Aerus
Carbon Fork sunburst orange, Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon
wheels, Quarq power meter, SRAM force, Ritchey carbon seatpost, Fizik Antares R3 saddle. It’s absolutely, it’s brilliant. I’m a big fan, I’m sure
you’ve heard me say it before on the show, of a flat top tube. Just like the Cevelo, from
a second ago, and this one. They look like a bike
should look in my mind. David, it’s so easy. I’ve got no competition. I’m, in fact, convinced that John or Oli would agree with this. That looks absolutely stunning. (bell ringing) Oh blimey, he’s also
lost 80 pounds in weight and he’s still going. Cycling has changed his
life in so many ways and our channel’s helped out. Aww, that’s fantastic news, David. I’m really pleased to hear that. Next up is Jenna with a Cervelo T4. Wow. Donut is Cervelo T4. Donut? What? Do you call your bike The Donut? This is Christchurch New Zealand. A track bike, fully kitted
out for road racing. I don’t think there’s anything better than a track bike with a
disc, a five spoke wheel in the front and just
all the colors are right. That looks, I bet that’s
insanely fast to ride. We all know John is a
big fan of track racing and we all know that
we want to do a little bit more track racing on the channel. If we’re going to do it,
that’s the sort of bike you want to have, isn’t it? Jenna, it’s really, really easy. That is another super nice. I’ve just noticed your
traditional Juro’s cranks there. They were some of the coolest cranks. One of the smoothest bottom
brackets at the time as well. (bell ringing) Oh, that’s it! That is Bike Vault for this week. Don’t forget if you do
want to have your bike featured in the Bike Vault,
use the uploader tool which is in the description down below. It’s very nearly the end of the show but before you go, I’d like to tell about what’s coming up on the channel this week. Oli and John have been over at the Giro creating some amazing content. Notably, Oli’s quest on a 1920s vintage- inspired replica bike. Oli wore period-correct clothing as well and it rained, so that
means a wet, woolen jersey. That’s going to be an amazing
video, coming out soon. John is over at the Giro, at the moment, sending back amazing
content, every single day. So, keep your eyes peeled
on the channel for that. Don’t forget if you did enjoy the video, give us a big thumbs up and if you do like our Italian inspired t-shirt, check out shop.globalcyclingnetwork.com.

100 comments on “The End Of Bike Upgrades? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 73

  1. The top tier bike might be difficult to impossible to upgrade now, but as tech improves I bet we will soon be monkeying with them too. Isn’t it human nature to look for the next thing? Saying this, most aren’t riding top tier bikes so I bet there will be upgrading for years to come.

  2. I built a road bike recently from scratch to a spec not available from the manufacturer. It's awesome.

  3. can't wait to see the Chinese copy's of those oakley's hit the market. haha Sorry Oakley just stands for ridiculous price v.s. crapy designs in my opinion

  4. I still think that building a high end race bike, no matter the discipline, works better with a bare frame
    If integration is really unique to the frame, get the fork, seat post, stem from the manufacture. The rest can be up to you
    I bought a Specialized Shiv frame and put on a rotor 3d+ aero crank(BB30), Ultegra mech, TRP 860 aero brakes, disc wheel, 88mm front wheel, ospw, Gp5000 tires with latex tubes, favero assiamo power meter pedals, Adamo saddle, dura ace bar end shifter, elite crono cx bottle + cage, Shimano CN-HG901 chain and aero QR skewers. All for roughly 2000€. I think thats fair value for such a fast setup

  5. You can’t compare Bikes to Workshops. It’s like apples and oranges compare bikes to bikes and workshops to workshops

  6. Bike manufacturers get big discounts on groupsets because they buy in bulk. So, it doesn’t make sense to upgrade your parts. You will pay more than buying an upgraded bike.

  7. also, to build a bike custom to the same quality costs so much more than the complete counterparts, so its just hard to compete

  8. The last time I bought a "complete" road bike was back in the mid 80's…..Since then, I've always built up from a frame and component group. Choosing a frame is very complicated. It must have the "correct" type bottom bracket type, headset type, geometry, seatpost size, and fork. Add that to the "Look" of the frame, and it takes quite a bit of research. Next comes the saddle, bar and stem choice. Those three are even more important than component group choice.

  9. I think the Cervélo t4 doughnut is referring to the uncut stem, which is often referred to as doughnut holders 🙂

  10. Certainly, Chris is a super nice guy–thanks for giving everyone a super nice and not getting all cranky like Jon and Ollie over the small stuff. And I grin and say, yeah, big brands are offering nice packages of frames and components which don't scream for urgent upgrades. And sure, it can be fun to keep a bike box-stock and original and all of that. But I do hear those upgrades calling, the siren song of wheels and saddles and stems and bars and drivetrains and what not and even bar tape. So maybe that's the headline, should it be stock or not. And the song could be, "It's always change, change, change. I just can't keep it all the same. One day it's black, the next it's white. And spray it in celeste I might…."

  11. #torqueback recommendations for clothing in warm/hot and wet/humid climates? Thinking rainy season at 20+ degrees C. Also, random tip i thought of on the way home about getting out of the saddle in a group – to demonstrate how the bike moves as you get out the saddle, do so whilst carrying something like a bottle (or in my case, maccy dingledongles) in a carrier bag slung on your wrist (making sure it doesn't get tied up in your levers) – if you're smooth, the load will stay steady relative to the bars. If not, you'll feel them swingin about like a tanuki's nuts in the wind.

  12. I build all of my bikes from framesets and parts I choose and buy myself so I don't think I will ever go out and buy a new assembled expensive bike. So I am not the customer for these pre-assembled expensive bikes. I am currently waiting for a Litespeed C1R frameset to arrive for a new bike build. I would be interested in knowing what percentage of your viewers are doing similar things versus buying new expensive pre-assembled bikes. I.E. doing upgrades to less expensive bikes or actually building up from framesets.

  13. All of these proprietary “standards” and components are good for corporate profits. They suck if you are the kind of person who wants to keep a bicycle for the lifetime of it’s frame. And that’s a whole other topic for hot discussion. So many high-end frame failures, and these frames are not cracking and breaking due to race induced stresses or crashes. It might cost more money up front, but if you want a bike to last for the long haul, you’re probably better off getting a bespoke Steel or Titanium bike that uses a regular 1 1/8” pressed in headset and a threaded bottom bracket. The longer you own and use a bicycle, the more bang you get for the buck.

  14. One thing that consumers should be aware of is the ongoing fight across the technology sector over the "Right to Repair". Advocates from farming who want to be able to fix their own tractors (software included) to smart phone owners who would like to fix their phone rather than upgrade (ibuds famously cannot be recycled or fixed) are all fighting for legislation to be passed in the U.S. to protect their right to own and repair the things that they buy. It appears as if the trend of marginalizing the consumer is seeping into the play book of bike manufacturers.

  15. The flag on the t-shirt – is that supposed to be an Italian flag? Because if so the 'red' looks distinctly orange. So it looks like an Irish flag to me. Is that a problem with the video recording equipment?

  16. Decline in bike upgrades? I don't think many people spend five or ten thousand of dollars or euros on an entry level bike. Newcomers spend a whole lot less for an entry level model. It is the entry level bike that is upgraded. If the entry level bike can't be upgraded I see hard times for the bike industry. Bikes aren't like cars. Road bikes (as opposed to hybrids and similar work horse bicycles) are luxury items. They don't wear out that quickly. They attract tinkering by mechanically minded people who are enjoying a hobby. They beg to be upgraded. There really isn't a giant market for used road bikes. I don't see many people tossing their current bike in the trash and replacing it with a new more expensive model. Do you? It seems to me that the expensive proprietary aero bike has a limited future. It will be replaced by a standard easily upgraded bike with aero features.

  17. Not sure if you’ve done anything on this topic. Tyre development from Continental. I’ve heard that they are now extracting latex from the roots of dandelions which will be sustainable. Could be an abundant source of latex as they grow everywhere.i wonder if the tyres will be cheaper hmm 🤔

  18. Nice job, Chris! pretty sure we're going to hear "chafed" a lot in Ollie's upcoming tortur…. I mean video.

  19. Coming from the world of the amateur racer, as someone being supported by a team where buying top end bikes was never an option, ground up building has always been the best. Heavily discounted frames bought by the team, wheels on (permanent) loan from a sponsor, group set bought by the team and personal finishing kit always undercut a complete bike in terms of cost and beat it in value.

  20. I kind of disagree I have a specialized SE Fatboy that I took from a stock 10-speed that I want to the SRAM eagle NX and I have that granny T50 and my front sprockets they T30 I'm going to change it down to a 28 because I live in Cortez Colorado and unless you just want to ride in the city limits you need the gears

  21. Well, I just bought a Tarmac frame (with fork and seatpost) and put campy chorus on it, with enve wheels.
    I like the look of integrated components but love even more that I get to pick and choose what I want.

  22. In the intro where Jon has the level, I always thought it had a tiny mustache painted on it. Today I hit rewind and paused and sure enough it does!

  23. No upgrading isn't dead, or rather for one very small subset of the bike market its now harder. Meanwhile the rest of us who don't have huge amounts of cash to spend on a fancy aero bike with all integrated or frame specific parts are happily saving up and adding new bits to our bikes when we can afford it and want to!

    I for example in the last year (with the help of santa claus) have upgraded or at least changed my 105 compact crankset to a FSA sub compact as well as upgrading the rear mech to an ultegra rx800.

    Anyway an upgrade can be more than just speed like you seem to suggest, it can also be for comfort or durability. A new saddle or different bar tape can even be an upgrade!

  24. Upgrades may not make sense on top end bikes, but there's still a place for them on entry and mid level bikes. If nothing else I really enjoy personalizing my aluminum steeds.

  25. Don't be scared not to give Super Nice in the Bike Vault, valves, crank arms chain on the high sprocket???
    Don't make it too easy for us otherwise your just down normalising Super Nice.

  26. I love building my own bikes. I get as much enjoyment from building bikes as I do riding them. I hate the idea of being limited to just buying off the shelf. So boring!

  27. Hello Jon boy! I have a lovely 2017 supersix evo disc (non-hi mod). This has the in-between Shimano br-rs805 rotors and those levers that just have 'shimano' written on them. I have two questions please.

    Are there any significant details between this and the latest ultegra disc groupset? (I assume this is ultegra level equipment, the front and rear derailleur are marked as such)

    And is it compatible with converting to ultegra di2? If so what components will I need to make this happen?

    Thanks, big fan of the content you guys and girls put out.

    #AskGCNTech

  28. Love the show and the bike vault. But what happened to valve position, uncut steerer’s, big ring small cog, pic taken from the right side and all that jazz???? Keep up the good work boys👍🏻

  29. The death of industry standards stinks of inkjet business model… Anyhow: building a bike from components is still very possible, you just need to not look at brands that need their own very unique nipples on the wheels "otherwise it's slower" or won't fit –which would have to be tested, both when the kit comes out and three years worth of R&D later.
    The real obstacle I found is price: once upon a time building a bike from bits was the cool cheap geeky way to do things, now is the 30% more expensive way. Which begs the question why is that, since I don't really believe in presents… That said: with a lot of patience you are bound to find good offers on each of the component you want and there you go. Or you can speed things up by thinking that you're putting together something unique and having spades of fun in the process and… You can almost justify the premium 🙂

  30. I'm too much of a control freak about my bike. I want to control everything from components, fit, and even down to the type of grease in the bearings. That's why I refuse to buy a bike with integrated/proprietary parts and standards.

  31. The never ending proprietary integration by the big manufacturers is probably what's driving the vintage/retro and custom steel/titanium frame trends?!

  32. I'm a larger rider but I still want to ride a super nice bike therefore, I have to buy a frame and components separately as integrated components are too light weight or have weight limits.
    Embracing the challenge after saving my cash I bought a specialised Tarmac 2020 Sagan frame, Shimano dura-Ace hydraulic levers and rear and front derailleurs. Then re-used my existing ultegra R8000 crankset with absolute black oval chain rings. Finally the wheels after lots of discussion with my wheel builder friend we chose ENVE SES 4.5 AR wheels with a gloss black Chris King hub at the front and Matt black hub at the back to match the paint work on the frame.
    It was enormous fun selecting all the components and the bike rides like a dream.
    As a comparison my wife bought the integrated specialised Tarmac 2020 over exposed Sagan bike with Roval wheels and specialised integrated components and she loves her bike too.
    Keep up the great work GCN, loving all the content and would like to see material for those who aren't speed bunnies but more the larger rider last up the hill.

  33. My dad has been choosing a car in the past weeks and asked me for an opinion. It made me really mad to find out that most of his options only had 2 versions or the option for 2 package upgrades. Having built all my bikes down to spoke nipples I cant take that you can't do the same on a car! Specially because the version he's about to buy he prefer the wheels that come on the cheaper one, and you can't have that "downgrade" while getting everything else from the more costly version!

  34. Upgrade paths are not helped by dumbing down the information that is made public on product pages. Some smaller manufacturers show they care and include detailed info, while others will not give, even what is crucial. Often even shops are struggling to quickly check basics like replacement for your lost/left at home wheel axle(actually frame or fork-axle these days). They won't provide chain line like….ever, most bike fitting accesories/parts you need to copy from a complete bike for a start, if such exists etc.

  35. Big bike manufacturers have jumped the shark a bit with the pricing of their newest superbike offerings. With the advent of these independent open mold manufacturers in China, I believe some of them are going to grow to become a legitimate alternative to the grossly overpriced big name guys. Quality is improving. Fairly priced, custom made quality carbon parts made from China will be part of our future.

  36. I'm trying to closeout all the carbon wheels we have in stock, because most high end bikes are coming with carbon wheels now.

  37. I truely hate those "No Upgrades Bikes".
    They suffer from pumped up prizing, they force user in to even more expensive future upgrading (buy a new bik), making entering in to biking even more expensive than it alredy is. And costs have skyrocketed in the last 40 years.

  38. Give over with it being better for everyone. Standards are made for a reason. To make replacing and fixing things easy and cheap. The only reason suppliers come up with their own standards and custom integrations is to make themselves the only supplier of said parts and hence to make themselves more money. GCN, you complete and utter sellouts. Long live BSA bottom brackets.

  39. I love how the Linskey ti bike has the handlebar tape matching saddle (black), and saddlebag and bottle cages (red).

  40. Better wet wool than wet cotton! But I thought Si was the one suckered into riding that bike?

  41. As for modifying or upgrading w aftermarket components, it's b.s. I still ride my steel racing bike circa late 80's. It still looks cleaner and faster than these big blocky transformer looking super bikes. Until they clean up and make tubes smaller and narrower without the rats nest of cables in the cockpit for bikes less than top of the line, then I wont be buying a new bike any time soon.

  42. Exaggerate much? The top aero bikes are pretty much the only bikes that your claim applies to. High end bikes with "modules" only real include frame set, seatpost and possibly barstem combo. They limit the amount of options you have to upgrade, but there are plenty other parts on the bike to agonize over. The bikes in the upper mid-range and below are fully customizeable.

  43. The industries always wanted us to buy a product then throw it out and buy a new one. I am sooooo happy the bike industry is going the same way…..

  44. What will find its end much earlier than upgrades is the current trend of integration with all proprietary parts. It will soon be just as dead as integrated seatposts. Once stuff like your one-piece bar-stem with internal cable routing cracks in a crash and the replacement will takes weeks to back-order (given that part is still available at all), you'll switch back to interchangeable standard (in the true meaning of the word) aftermarket parts.

  45. As long as there is a GCN channel, there will always be bike upgrades. Tough to go one video without talking about the latest tech and gadgets their riding with…

  46. Proprietary bicycle equipment from individual manufacturers is awful. Try purchasing a new higher end bicycle with down tube shifter bosses with a threaded headset and threaded bottom bracket and conventional 27.2mm round seat pin. System integration with internal cable routing is just a PITA. Its just added complexity, expense and future parts availability will quickly turn these overpriced expensive bicycles into land fill.

  47. £1000 rear dérailleurs! Proprietary drive train components such as disposable power meters locking consumers into their groupset mentality etc yet no performance, weight or even gear shift performance improvements from high end kit from 20 years ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOcfiVS0XTg
    They really are taking the marketing piss. (even golf driver clubs now want to communicate with your smart…er surveillance phone)

  48. Geez… Death of upgrades (and even repairs)? I think we have to thank seemingly the never-ending bottom bracket standards, for a start (or mostly). 🤦

  49. Both upgrades win since they are different categories anyways…That bike definitely got upgraded and that garage definitively got upgraded! LoL

  50. The fixed gear scene is big on swapping and upgrading components. Everything (for the most part) is pretty standard so it's easier to source parts that will work for your unique build.

  51. You can’t have the GCN Tech show with one presenter who speaks too fast it’s boring and feels like he wants it to be over with😭

  52. As a technician working at FSA's U.S. office I can definitely say I communicate with fewer riders these days building complete bikes starting with only a frame. However upgrading ones bike from stock is still alive and well. The most common advise I give is people asking what parts they need to run 48/32 & 46/30 gearing to modify there road bike for gravel riding, bike packing and older riders living in hilly areas. Then it would be riders dropping stock alloy handlebars and stem in favor of carbon one piece integrated stem/handlebar combos for road vibration dampening, weight reduction, a smooth look, aero gains, and more comfortable hand positioning. The always popular upgrade of wheels to carbon rims for runing tubeless tires with 40mm profile rims being the favorite for everyday sport riders & cyclocross, 55mm rims for stage and criterium racing and 81mm for triathlon. Limited edition King of the Mountain 1,260 gram carbon wheels with 30mm section rims for ultra light sprinting and hill climbing wheels. Finally for those that do not have the budget for carbon rims, dropping your stock wheels for tubeless tire compatable, ultra light 1,280 gram per pair alloy wheels with 30mm profile and long lasting KB coated braking surface.

  53. A "Super Nice" for that Cervelo? I agree that it is indeed a great looking back but . . . and it's a BIG but . . . he's shot it from the wrong side! Consistency is key here but your criteria about bikes needing to shot from the "drive" side needs to be adhered to!

  54. Wonderful teaser of Ollie on a mock-up '20s bike with matching kit looking like Wallace, just needed Gromit the dog following to make a "cracking day out on t' bike" video!

  55. My bike was put in to the Vault. What an honour. When searching for a frame to do my build I had to search wide and far to find a frame that checked all the boxes. I wanted a standard BB (BSA 68mm), 27.2 round seat post and quick release wheels (thru would work too as the wheels came with both sets of axels – bonus!). You can still do upgrades, but it's getting harder to do. The companies that offer the ability to upgrade will be rewarded with loyal fans in the end. Keep up the great programming GCN Tech.

  56. Bike companies are intentionally complicating the market by introducing not-so-easy to replace component standards. We want the simplicity to be back.

  57. those continental tires look pretty good they will have to be something very special to pull me away from my specialized pathfinder pro's though

    i wouldn't buy any bike that i couldn't upgrade down the line or easily source replacement parts for servicing and repairs

  58. Upgrading is obsolete at the highest top end bikes companies sell — 8 to 10k USD. At the midrange and below you can definitely upgrade a bike. Wheels. Groupset. Bars. Seat. Seatpost.

  59. manufacturers should offer framsets with various complete group sets, handlebar, seatpost and stem and let us buy our own wheels and saddle. It sucks everytime to swap those cheap 1700g+ wheelsets

  60. I hate the new standards they're just planned obsolescence. I'll stay on trusty XT M980 components as long as I can. BSA bottom brackets, Quick release hubs, 104/64 BCD chainrings, post mount brakes, inexpensive chains and cassette. The same goes for my gravel bike, just a regular 48-32 mtb double crankset and regular post mount calipers. I hate the new asymmetric chainrings spacing and chainline of this new GRX groupset, also hate the flat mount disc calipers.

  61. Guys, guys, guys. Please pronounce Ontario correctly. It's ON-TEAR-RIO not On-TAR-E-O The tear as in rip not cry. Otherwise a great presentation, Chris. Thanks,

  62. I think this upgrade question raises the question of what makes a bike.

    A Trek Emonda can be aluminium or carbon. Disc or rim braked. In a variety of group sets. It can even have either H1 or H2 geometry.

    So, what makes it an Emonda? Are all bikes custom or none?

  63. Integration and proprietary components take all the fun out of assembling a bicycle or upgrading it. Buying a complete bike is just a lot less fun than assembling your very own with all the stuff you like, already have or can buy cheaply. Not to speak of replacing or upgrading stuff.. Yes, I am old-fashioned.. I like classic (and classy) looking bikes and practical standards. Anyway, top end bikes with lots of integrated stuff hardly have any benefits for the average rider: they are expensive, hard to maintain and top end speed is really not a priority for most of us.

  64. Pimped out my 2015 Domane 4.5 after two years. The bike had room to grow as it was a entry level carbon offering. I standardized the drive train with all Ultegra components. Replaced the wheels with some HED Belgium alloy wheels with Chris King hubs set up tubeless with Schwalbe Pro One 28mm tires. I had to leave the 105 rim brakes on to fit the 28mm tires, no real sacrifice. Also swapped out the alloy handlebar for an FSA Carbon model. I love the set-up and have no desire to buy a new bike and it is now my bike, the only one like it 🙂

  65. Been watching the bike trends for many years and many bikes. Conclusion:
    Fitness and flexibility are what make you fast and aero.
    Avoid proprietary cranks, headsets, seatposts…… whatever.
    Buy a good quality, correctly fitted, handbuilt with a threaded bottom bracket, tubular tires (not tubeless) and disc brakes.
    Descending the Alps at 70mph is the correct time to determine just how well your bike actually handles.

  66. Interesting point on upgrades .. I certainly think that's the direction with aero bikes – will saddle, tyres, pedals and chain lube being our only personal touches?

  67. Integration = market suppression for the benefit of the big brands. Buy British, Planet x, Ribble, Merlin, all offer degrees of customisation….

  68. As long as there are weight weenies, custom builds and used bikes there will be upgrades. That's half the fun for many.

  69. There will always be bike upgrades in one form or another. Especially if you want to build your bike from scratch and save $$$.

    I'll also add that I'll never buy a bike with proprietary seat posts, stems, etc. Although I was pretty pissed when I went from a 15' to 16' Supersix evo and had to buy their brand of seatpost due to limited options.

  70. What people forget is upgrading or moding your bike isn't just about getting "nicer" or "better" parts, it is about making it YOUR bike, equal parts mechanical skill and knowledge of riding and of your limits and your terrain. Sometimes it was about upgrading the parts group but a lot of times it was fine tuning the bike to be better for what you were doing with it. Back in the 1990s early 2000s a lot of us did this, i remember going to a wide range rear cassette on one roadbike, and using a mt bike granny gear on my triple to get up really steep hills with the fast group, changing tires from 23's to 28's for winter, etc. (I use 28s most days now the roads are really rough here).
    Modifying the bike to suit your needs is part of being a cyclist, the diff for the really high end bikes is guys have a mechanic do most of it for them, but they still do it…
    What I worry about is the high end drives the innovation, the rest of the market supports it. As many of these innovations trickle down, if people don't want them because of various concerns (I never got in the bb30 bandwagon still use threaded) will we run out of options?

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