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The Future Of Indoor Cycle Training?

The Future Of Indoor Cycle Training?


– We’re here in Madison, Wisconsin, a place that I have fantastic memories of from my time as a rider. Madison has so many awesome
cycling amenities and culture, it’s literally everywhere,
it’s not hard to see why so many people are riding. I’m actually compiling a
video about the best places to ride in the United States. But while I was here I got to tip that Saris has some exclusive new tech that I’m excited to go check out and give you guys the scoop on. (dramatic music) Now to learn more, Saris invited us to their
headquarters here in Madison. Now the name, Saris one that
you might be familiar with from their storage systems,
their famous Bones Rack, or their trainer brand, Cyclops, which moving forward, will
also bear the Saris name. Once we arrived, we met their president, Jeff Frehner. Hey, how’s it going?T It’s Jeremy. – Hey Jeremy, I’m Jeff,
president here at Saris. – [Jeremy] He introduced me
to their product manager, Jesse Bartholomew, to give us the scoop on three new products
they’ve been working on, a trainer platform called the MP1, that we’ve been told is
going to make riding inside a heck of a lot more realistic. A all new desk, called the TD1, and their latest trainer, the H3. This is very interesting
and I think the first thing that comes to mind is
the, I believe, the MP1, The Movement Platform. So tell me what’s going on with this. – Yeah, movement, that’s what’s going on, and not just left and
right, but also fore, aft, that’s really the key to
making it feel most realistic, improving comfort and just making it feel like you’re riding outside. – Yeah, I’ve ridden a lot of trainers, and sometimes they can be uncomfortable, sitting in one place for a long time. I think that’s probably what
you guys are going for here. – Absolutely with the popularity of Zwift, and more and more people riding inside, they’re spending more time inside, so we really wanted to offer something that made it even more comfortable to spend that much time riding indoors. – Cool, now I’m going to get
on and check this thing out. Tell me about what’s
going on with the TD desk, this is something that’s
unique and interesting as well, what are you guys thinking about this? – Yeah, I mean, whenever you ride inside you typically have a water bottle, your keyboard for the computer, maybe your towel, and in this case, we’ve actually integrated
power support into the desk, so you can plug your smart
trainer in or charge your phone while you’re riding
and have it look great, and really help out the whole experience. – Yeah, the aesthetic is really nice. It all pulls everything together, it feels like this would be something that I’d want to have at my house like, hey we can feed the kids over here. – Yeah, it’s fully adjustable so you can put a high chair
underneath that if you need to. – I love that yeah, my
wife would like that in an emergency situation for sure. So, and then definitely,
last but not least, the new H3 Trainer. – Yeah, all new, the main
thing is the new drive system. So it’s much much quieter, 59 decibels, at about 20 miles per hour, and it’s compatible with
an XD and XTR driver, so that new SRAM group
set will be compatible and there’s a new wireless
protocol, called FTMS, that optimizes the connections with Zwift and other smart apps. – I’m going to continue riding
here and checking this out and so far I feel like
I’m really in the zone. – [Jeremy] You may be familiar
with other trainer platforms that move while you’re riding. But Saris tells us that
their goal with thing MP1 is to take indoor riding experience to a completely new level. The reason that platforms like this make riding feel so authentic, is that traditionally,
when you’re riding indoors, your bike is in a fixed
position on the ground. But when you use the MP1,
the movement of the platform allows your hips to
rotate just a little bit, because your movement
is going into the bike. It’s something the Chris
and Simon also noticed last year, when they tested
the LEOMO motion sensor device. (upbeat music) Okay, so we’re making
our through the factory on our way to meet Dustin,
the engineer, the brains, one of probably many, that
have made this MP1, TD1, and all of the workings, interworkings of these
products come to life. (upbeat music) Hey Dustin. – Hey Jeremy. – Thank you so much for meeting with us. You are the engineer behind
all of the technology that is the Movement Platform One. – Yeah. – All right, I see that we
have some prototypes here. – Yeah. – You’re going to walk
us through the beginning, ’cause you’re the man. – Yeah.
– That has made this happen. So tell us about what we have here. – Yeah, we’ve got a few
of the early prototypes, at least the ones that
are kind of leading up to what we’ve got now. – Okay. – This is one of our first attempts at a rolling floor that
has the same geometry as what we’re using now. So this is what we were planning on potentially having five
giant, molded pieces to do this and having it fold up. – And how long, from here to here, or from the beginning of time, how long have we been
going at these prototypes and this prototyping phase? – So the first Movement
prototype that we had was nine years ago, and that
was very different than this. – Okay, so this is closer
to the final product? – This is closer to the final, this was when we redirected and said, “Okay, we need to keep everything light, “we need to redesign it “and make sure it’s simple
and light and clean.” – Okay. – This was that first prototype that I stayed up all night making. – I love, that’s so cool. Okay, and so then is the finished product, it has the branding on
it, it has the shine. – Yeah. – Everything’s going down with this. So tell me, I guess tell me about it, but also tell me the why. Why is this product here? Why is this product really
important that you guys have? What is the why behind this? – Yeah, absolutely. Well, we’ve been making
trainers for 20 years, and we ride trainers a lot, and we all just want
to get our workouts in and that’s been changing. We recognize that comfort is
important in the trainer space and we’ve been increasing
flywheel sizes and speeds. And doing controlled resistance, and we were one of the first ones to get into virtual environments, which is of course, becoming
more and more important. – Oh, right, yeah, I
know, I’ve got one myself. – Yeah, as we incorporate
all these virtual hills, where you’re dealing
more with acceleration, you’re dealing with hill climbing, where when you’re outside,
you can move the bike relative to your body. We’re recognizing that you really need to be able to do that, especially now with these
virtual environments, we really need to be able to
do that on the trainer as well. – [Jeremy] Yeah, definitely. – We wanted something
that anybody can strap their trainer onto and
strap their bike onto and really feel secure,
but get that same benefit. – Yeah, and you were telling me that this actually fits
all of the trainers that are out there. So literally every, or
just about 90% or so. – We haven’t checked every trainer, but a lot of them use the same footprint. So we’ve checked a lot of them, you can see a pile of our trainers and competitor’s trainers here. – And the MP1 works with that? – Yes absolutely. – So, that’s pretty cool.
– Yeah, that was important. – All right, so you’re going to show us what’s going on underneath this, and some the technology
and things that you guys have manufactured, and
some of your brains, what’s going on underneath this. – Sure. – Okay. (upbeat music) All right Dustin, so this
is the MP1 flipped over on its back, like a
fileted fish, it’s open, all this stuff is going on, this is this frame moving, tell me about what’s going on with this? What I see versus what you see, I think are two different worlds. – Well, I’ll try to show you
exactly what’s going on here. – Okay. – So we’ve got this base frame, that’s normally sitting on the floor here, and the top frame, that’s
attached to what your trainer, and what bike you’re sitting on. And the whole top can move
independently forward and back. And it takes a little
force in this position, but side to side you can move it as well. So what’s resisting that
and keeping you center is this large leaf spring that
goes all the way across here. – Okay, and that’s what’s being
tested behind us right now? – [Dustin] Yes. – [Jeremy] Left and right movement, you guys are running these through thousands of cycles to make sure that– – [Dustin] Millions of cycles. – [Jeremy] Millions of cycles. So that when someone’s riding that longevity of everything
is all part of that which I think is pretty cool. – This spring is putting out
about up to 300 pounds of force when you have it fully leaned over. To keep you stable. – So let’s jump back for a second, if you’re prototyping this, you’re going through all this stuff, you can walk downstairs
and you can be like, “Okay guys, I want to get this frame, “I want to actually do
something different with this, “I want this piece to be
shorter, it’s not stable enough, “I want this piece to be
longer, I want to do this,” and I was just walking
through the factory, seeing all of the people doing this work, I thought it was pretty unique and cool that you can, I would say
rapidly prototype something. – Yeah, absolutely, I mean
this is our bread and butter so we can go down, I can go down, I can just grab steel tubes off the rack, ask somebody to bend them for me. – I’ve been lifting with them earlier. (both laugh) – I can tell them what the layout is. – Yeah. – And they can get it bent for me, I can have them weld it up, they’ll let me break into production, just weld it up quick, so
that we can test things. – Yeah. – And it’s really invaluable, all of our in house tool and dye, and all the the other– – Yeah, it’s fantastic, it’s fantastic to see
all it all down there, it’s fantastic to see that you guys are able to do this. And for something like this
to be able to come to life, right here, right here in this factory.
– Yeah, no, – right here in this engineering lab. – We are trying to do
as much as we can here, and we’ve always tried
to do as much as we can. – [Jeremy] And I was told too, that this stuff is really local. – [Dustin] Yes. – Literally this steel is from hours away. – Yep, yep.
– That’s amazing. – Yeah, the steel’s from hours away, the wood’s from a shop just across town. – This is like local
birch, it’s pretty amazing. – So we’re definitely sourcing things as close to home as possible, which makes it easier for everyone, it’s what we want to do. – [Jeremy] It’s cool. – Dude, thank you so much
– Yeah absolutely. – It was great to meet you, and thank you for taking us through. (tranquil music) So that was a day at Saris,
very fun and informative, really cool to learn about
all their new technology that’s coming down the pipeline. While I’m here, I can’t help
but think about the times that storm rolls in and
you’re all kitted up and you’re ready to go outside, only to find out that you’re going to be doing your ride inside. It’s the technology that
they’ve got coming down the pipeline like this,
that’s going to make it a lot more enjoyable. And they’ve really dedicated
a lot of time and resources to making that true. So, we’re going to head
back down town in Madison, because I want to try some
of these cheese curds, some other things that are out there, check out the bike paths, and the cool infrastructure. I hope you guys liked this video, and if you want to see
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66 comments on “The Future Of Indoor Cycle Training?

  1. Just needs to simulate hills, add a few motors to simulate terrain as well then they can adjust the software to have cobbles and off road sections that you can actually feel. Got to be where its going other than A VR system you can wear but not get to sweaty.

  2. $60000 investment on hardware and realistic effects then you spend $12 on virtual software?! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    It's like 8bit mega drive in HD 😴

  3. I'm seeing a marketing/promotional piece but what are the actual claimed benefits? Are there any claims (or evidence) that splashing a bunch of cash on more internal trainer hardware that provides a moving platform is more than just a gimmick? Does it improve injury prevention? Prevent saddle sores? More accurate power output? Or is this purely to try and provide a more immersive experience?

  4. I’ve noticed most GCN presenters go through a learning phase when the first begin. A bit awkward at first but they quickly find their rhythm. Jeremey seems like he’s a veteran presenter. Totally comfortable in front of the camera, quick on his feet with comments and questions, and fun to watch. Keep up the good work guys!

  5. Hope you've sampled that background "click clack" at around 10 minutes to do some nice tracks. Reminds me of Burial 😀

  6. I say keep indoor training uncomfortable, hot, sweaty and boring…encourages you outside more 😂 (ps there is a note of sarcasm in my message)

  7. I’m a huge fan of rocker plates for indoor trainers… they make things much more comfortable for me. But the one profiled here is massively overpriced and over engineered. My $20 rocker plate made from wood and tennis balls is 90% as good at 2% of the cost.

  8. I live in Madison and was part of a focus group testing one of the early prototypes you see in the video. They have made lots of improvements from the prototype used in my test group. Exciting to see. And yes you do feel like you are on the road.

  9. To me this is a lot like electronic shifting. It would be really nice to have, but it's an upgrade I can get by without. I can think of a lot of better things to spend that much money on.

  10. i suffer as most do with numbness indoors. but to use one of these i think a dedicated room is necessary. we dont all have those. for me, turbo needs to be able to set up quickly, and put away out of sight. i think id go with neo2. no calibration and a little bit of movement already. also, quick to set up/put away.

  11. Maybe a little bit off topic but how about being a little green! What I mean is all the time spent riding on these trainers and all the power your using to run the different devices, how about using a trainer that converts your power/watts into electricity and run your equipment off that or other electrical devices?

  12. never heard of Saris, but the marketing shpeel is the same old same old. it's like when a manufacture tells you the newest iteration is X percent ( insert desirable attribute here ), or… we realized that comfort is an issue

    really? why don't they all just take six months off and have a good think, sort this shit out and get on with it. i am not wasting my money on what is essentially R&D funding for companies perpetually "improving" product. the latest version ( in the closet waiting reveal, at their shop ) will have fans built into that desk because "we realized that comfort is an issue and aesthetically it eliminates a lot of clutter ) , and there will be one coming out with further improvements for further access to your wallet

    wow, a bouncy platform, huh? does it come with a free lollipop, or a sucker fr the sucker who buys this thing?

  13. Jeremey nailed that. Very well presented. Difficult to tell it was GCN without the sarcastic and brilliant English mob

  14. All these indoor systems are a joke, they look ridiculous and don't give you any real ride experience or actuall training. My rough mock up system is an actual road video with a gimbal mounted in a hood of a car, shot from different speeds. There is a usb speed control system that I use on the rotating shaft of the back of the $80 trainer that hooks up to the computer which controls the speed VLC media player plays the videos at. The videos are displayed on a 50" LED TV in front of the bike. $120 total for Trainer and USB speed controller/ mouse Interface.

  15. How like to see the H3 with a USB port for direct connection to your PC/laptop. Interesting the CycleOps name will disappear.

  16. For price see here
    https://www.outdoorplay.com/saris-mp1-nfinity-bike-trainer?gclid=Cj0KCQjw753rBRCVARIsANe3o47bzPl-L-7_7z4TvI6hJUYRIaQW2au4NI0HTJpsDaZ2zeohc8VZ_1IaAk4VEALw_wcB

  17. Jeremy is such a wonderful addition to the gcn team. He’s a total natural and he’s getting better every single video. Awesome work guys. Just awesome 🥰😁❤️

  18. Hmm I know what Duncan Bannatyne would say…. I'M OUGGHEWT! It makes me think of an adult version of a childs toy ride you pay £1 for it to rock back and forwards outside supermarkets.

  19. The weird thing when riding with zwift is you go round a corner, but don’t lean over. No solution to that, right?

  20. i would luv one of these , as i am disabled after a stroke , and the standard indoor trainer , makes me feel wobbly , this idea turbo trainer system would help me stay stable , and i might then be able to loose weight ,.

  21. I LOVE Jeremy ❤️! Great presenting – he really did a brilliant job. But unfortunately, I found the content boooooring….. I really could care less about the manufacturing…. And it's WAY overpriced….. At first I thought it was a complete unit – trainer & all
    … Think I'll go look for a sound set of rollers on CRAIGSLIST and a desk from Ikea …. probably set me back $200????

  22. i got a hammer, and straight out of the box, it broken my derailleur because it wasn't built correctly. i took it back the next day and swapped for kickr.

  23. They're trying to suck the money out of you. Just go outside to ride, to ski, to run or whatever and get a roller for $100 for an occasional leg spinning

  24. Great video BUT how was the trainer? Nothing in the video on how it actually felt, 30 seconds of Jeremy riding and then a factory tour…all very interesting but…?

  25. Nope, I want my indoor riding experience to be as miserable as possible to make my outside time that much better.

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