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Triathlon Vs. TT Bike | Matt Bottrill’s Giant Trinity Bike Setups

Triathlon Vs. TT Bike | Matt Bottrill’s Giant Trinity Bike Setups


– This is the Giant Trinity Advanced Pro of Matthew Botchell, and his Giant Trinity Advanced Pro TT. Now, the reason for the
two bikes is that, well, Matt isn’t really a triathlete,
although he has dabbled. He is, in fact, an ex-pro cyclist. But, hear me out here. Now Matt is, I guess, a
bit of gurry when it comes to time trialling aerodynamics
and just generally going fast, which is why he coaches some of the top triathletes out there. I mean, Tim Don to his
Ironman record time. Susie Cheetham, Lucy Charles,
Rachel Joyce, Will Clarke, and even Timo Bracht, whose
has challenged Rothwin. And that’s all before we
discuss his own accolades. He has a ten mile PB of
17 minutes and 40 seconds. That’s fast. And, he is the U.K. champ for the 10 mile, 25 mile, 50 mile and a hundred mile. And then just a couple years
ago, he tried triathlon out, which is why we have
his triathlon bike here. So, I thought it’d be really
interesting to take a look at his pure TT bike
versus his triathlon bike. See how he’s adapted to triathlon,
if there are any changes. And, well, maybe we could
all take some tips from it. So, I think we need to take a closer look. (dramatic music) So, to start off with, we’re
gonna look at his pure TT bike. The Giant Trinity Advanced Pro TT, which he’s riding in a medium. First of all, gonna have
a look at the cockpit. So, this is Giant’s standard base bar, but off of that, we have
a few customizations. Now Matt’s known for his very aerodynamic and aggressive position. He’s worked closely with
Simon Smart from Tractor Zero over the years to get that dialled in. So, we do have the Tractor Zero
arm rests, elbow cups here. The Tractor Zero poles, which
have a nice ski bend in. But, you may have noticed
the customization here, which is the adaptor. Now, Matt has actually
designed and had these made himself up in Scotland. They allow him to bring his
elbow rests back slightly, and then this angled
position for aerodynamics. So, with time trialling and aerodynamics, literally everything is thought about, which is why if you look
closely at this bike, there’s this carbon
effect tape throughout. And that is basically covering
all the bolts and openings on the frame, including
down here on the crank set. And that’s simply to smoothen
out the airflow over them. So really, like, every
detail is thought about, including where the Garmin is positioned. So, Matt prefers to have it
towards the end of the poles, so that he doesn’t have to move his head. So, he’s got his numbers
within his field of view so he’s staying in that nice aero tuck. And these grips are
actually made by Racewear with the Garmin mount built-in, specifically for the Tractor Zero poles. And then on the end of these poles, we have the Shimano Dura Ace DI2 shifters, which control the rear mech. And then down on the base bar
on the end of the bullhorns, we have the shifters and levers, which control the front mech. In terms of braking, as you’d expect with a time trial bike,
the brakes are hidden. So the front brake is behind the fork, and then the rear brake is
below the bottom bracket with its own aero covering shell. Then moving back through the
bike and to the crank set, and things start to get quite interesting because he has a 58 tooth outer
ring, which is pretty beefy. And a 42 tooth inner ring. Now there’s obviously quite a big jump between a 58 tooth and a 42 tooth, which is why he’s got
the chain catcher here. Because basically, when you
shift down from a 58 tooth to a 42 tooth, there is the risk of it throwing the chain off. So, the chain catcher’s
there as a nice safeguard. And they’re attached to the
Quarq D0 power metre and cranks, which he’s running a 170 crank length in. And then on the end of those, he’s got the Speedplay aero pedals. Now as I’ve mentioned already, the bike is fully kitted out
with Shimano Dura Ace DI2. So, this is the 9150
rear mech and front mech. And you’ll probably notice, the rather large pulley wheels here and that is because they are the CeramicSpeed oversized pulley wheels. And basically help to
smoothen out that chain flow and reduce any friction
through any tight angles. And then he’s also
running an 11/28 cassette. And for the finishing touches,
he has the Giant aero bottle. And then for his saddle, he’s
got the new ISM PN3.0 saddle, which has a split-nose design allowing him to get nicely forward on the saddle, tilt his hips around and into
his well-known aero position. And with his wheels, he’s
running an NV 7.8 wheel on the front with a
Continental GP Supersonic tyre, which is a clincher tyre. And he’s running that in a 23 mil width. And then on the back, we’ve
got the rather obvious disc wheel, which is the
Drag2Zero disc wheel. And on that, he’s actually
running achieve tyres, the Continental Podium TT tyre. And that is pro limited tyre. And he’s running that in a 25 mil width. (dramatic guitar rock music) And now onto Matt’s triathlon bike and this is the Giant Trinity Advanced Pro and Matt actually said
that he didn’t change much between his position on the
TT bike to his triathlon bike, but there are still some
quite noticeable differences because the head tube length
is ever so slightly longer on this bike, so to allow Matt to get into the same position, he’s
actually had to opt for a size small rather than the medium that he has on his TT bike. And another, quite obvious
difference is the storage. So, we have integrated
storage on this bike, so we have a storage system
on the top tube for his gels and then, well there he hasn’t
actually hasn’t got it on at the moment, but there is
a bottle that you can attach to the head tube and it
comes out, it’s integrated and then a straw that comes
through the aero bars. And then with his cockpit,
not much changes again. We’ve still got the
Drag2Zero rests, some poles, it’s the same base bar
and even the same adapters that he had on his TT bike. But, the thing that does
change is the group set. So, we have Sram eTap kit
starts through the bike, so we have the gear shifters on the ends, but interestingly, he
doesn’t have the blips that you’d normally find on the base bar. And, in fact, he’s
taken it a step further. He doesn’t have bar tape at all and that is all for aerodynamics. And then moving on to the crank set and things get even
more interesting, again, because he is running a
60 tooth outer chain ring. And here I was thinking
my 55 tooth was big. And interesting, there
isn’t an inner chain, there is no small ring. He’s running a single chain ring setup and there is a good reason for that, but we’ll speak to Matt later to find out more detail as to why that is. But, because it is a single ring setup, the ring does have slightly
longer teeth to make sure that the chain stays on. And he also has this K-Edge
front mech chain catcher system and that is all attached
to the Quarq power metre, which again is running
in a 170 crank length and then on the ends of
those, he has the Speedplay aero pedals. And then, to the back of
the bike, we’ve got the Sram Red eTap rear mech, and again, we’ve got the CeramicSpeed
OSPW jockey wheels and actually, both bikes are
fully kitted-out with CeramicSpeed bearings
on both bottom brackets and headset bearings. And then, to finish off
his gearing, he’s got this Sram Red Cassette in an 11/28. And now onto his wheel
and tyre choice and, Matt, he has a longstanding
partnership with NV Wheels, so he has the NV 7.8 front and rear wheel. But, onto the tyres, things
get a little bit interesting because they look like the
Continental Grand Prix TT tyre and the Supersonic tyre, but I have a sneaky suspicion they’re not. I think they might be a Pro
Limited tyre, but that aside, they are clincher tyres
and they’re both a 23 on the front and the rear. The finishing piece on this
bike is the ISM PN 1.0 saddle. Now, Matt’s actually
said he’s enjoyed using the new ISM PN 3.0
saddle so much that he’s gonna be replacing this saddle. But I think it’s about time we got Matt in to talk about these bikes. OK, Matt, so we’ve got both
of your bikes set up here. We’ve got your pure TT bike and a more triathlon-specific bike here. Obviously, you came to
triathlon a couple of years ago. Are there any changes that you made? – No, when I came into
triathlon, I didn’t really have to make that much of a change. I’ve ridden, you know, I’ve ridden a bike since I was 12, time
trialling from the age of 18, so I’ve got, like, 20, 20
years in this position. So, you know, for me, it was kind of, my worst period was the bikes. I wanted to make a big advantage of that. – So, yeah, kept the same
position when you came over. – Yeah, and I didn’t have
any trouble with, you know, like burning off the bike
or, or anything like that. – Well, I guess that
comes down to practise and doing it in your training. – Definitely, I think that’s
the biggest mistake that most, you know, like, triathletes
specifically are making. They, they get settled upon the bike, but they don’t train
enough in those positions. – OK, and probably quite a
noticeable change on this bike is that you got a single
ring chain ring setup and it’s a massive 62, so
you’re clearly using this for something other than
just triathlon racing. – Yeah, this is actually quite, you know, it’s probably one of the
fastest bikes out there, so. – You’d say, more so than that bike? – Yeah, this is kind of, this
has got more regulations. This is kind of like
a UCI setup, you know, you’d see like the pros riding. But, there’s no regulations
with this, as you can see, with, you know, with
the, the aero handlebar, it’s a wider handlebar. Same with the fork,
it’s no 3:1 regulation, so this is for, you know,
those real fast courses, this is the bike of choice. – Okay, so why would you
go for the single ring? – It’s just to save a few watts,
you know, there’s probably two and a half watts within
that, front, front changer. So, it’s all these
marginal gains, it’s like, for me, if I was riding in
a national championship, that I’d be able to make. – Yeah, I know you ring,
single ring chain rings, we talked about a lot lately, but it’s not really anything new, is it? – No, we were riding, like,
single chain rings, you know, in the early 90s, but, obviously, it’s gone full circle again
and, yeah, everybody’s just trying to find these marginal gains. There’s a lot more in
design now, in terms of, you know, it’s like this chain
and cage got longer teeth, so it’s less prone to chucking the chain. – OK, I mean, a 62 chain
rings, to a lot of our viewers will sound absolutely nuts, but what is the idea behind that? – Again, it’s all about
chain line efficiency. So if we can say, you know,
if we’re not, if we’ve not got these massive
crossovers, then we’re gonna ultimately save, save drag. So, you know, it might
be a couple of watts that we’re gonna save
by having the correct tricked chain line. – Brilliant, and I’m sort
of, so obviously you’ve got a disc wheel on the TT bike. You probably still use a disc
wheel for some triathlons, but when do you choose to, not to use one? – I kind of, I think
the thing is, it’s like with the disc on those buster
courses, then I would always opt for the, the disc option. If you’re, you know, what
I do like about the disc, it’s almost like if you forward left, especially you know, like, if
you go for, you know, like, you start those real high speeds. And this is quite a light
disc, so even on, like, a hilly course, you know, you could take, could take this option. But I would say, for me,
predominantly it’s more, when I’m going for, like, a faster time, I’ll opt for that, for that disc wheel. – Well, that was really interesting, so thanks very much, Matt. I think a lot of our G10
viewers are going to be, going very aero soon. If you’d like to see more videos from G10, just click on the globe. – And if you’d like to
see my coached athlete, Lucy Charles’ pro bike,
click on the link below. – And if you’d like to
see how to use power, just click on the video below.

94 comments on “Triathlon Vs. TT Bike | Matt Bottrill’s Giant Trinity Bike Setups

  1. Where is the Blipbox from the Sram Etap groupset? Or doesn't he needs this cause he only has 2 sram clicks in front and no blips on the sidebars? (very nice vid btw)

  2. Why does it go so far forward on the bars? shoulders look very hunched up and painful, a little bit more stretched out would be go no ?

    p.s i obiously understand that botrill is very good and knows more than me. thats why im asking

  3. Why different rear tire width between tri and tt bikes? Has 25 for tt and 23 for tri. (Both have 23 in the front)

  4. For anyone interested… according to the Sheldon Brown site.. a 60 up front with a 17 in the back (middle cog on an 11-28) at 90 rpm is just shy of 25 mph. 100 rpms is just shy of 28 mph.

  5. That TT bike position doesn't look UCI legal. The saddle doesn't look like it meets the setback requirements. Also, UCI doesn't allow for bolts to be taped over.

  6. I'm tall 6 foot 3 or 4 and long legs so I like a tall frame in handle bars that don't make me bend over too much because I'm 67 and from Old School but I still ride bike knock on wood

  7. The new Shimano TT shifters actually use synchro shift which means all the buttons control both derailleurs. The front shifts when it needs to. Shifters wise it works like a one by system. The right hand switches to a harder gear and the left to a lower gear both on the aero bars and the base bar.

  8. Love it! Got a Trinity myself, but damn, that 60T ring is a monster!!! Just can't beat the value of those Giant's, and they're obviously not holding Matt or Tom Dumoulin back! And the Liv version are sweet looking Women's geometry bikes as well. Go Giant!!

  9. Imagine spinning 60×11 at 90-100 rpm 😐

    Scratch that…

    Actually, how do you train to be able to spin 60×11 at 90 rpm?

  10. The black Giant (so the TT one) doesn't seem to comply to UCI's rules that the saddle-tip has to be 5cm behind the bb… kind of weird, but maybe it's just the camera

  11. really interesting and what a really nice guy! Humble and not up himself at all despite being mega talented.

  12. I like the big curves on the elbow pads, i struggle to keep my arms on my pads as they slide off! I might have to make some.

  13. I wonder when is he going to use the 11 tooth cog with the 60t ring because at 90 rpm he would be like 102 kmh.. Never seen a triathlon bike move that fast. Didn't understand the chain line explanation either, viewed from above, the chain line would be basically the same if he used a 53t ring. Maybe the bigger ring creates less friction in the chain, can't see other reason for that choice

  14. Nice going! Great video, very interesting topic. Where can i get this "integrated" RaceWare Garmin Mount?

  15. I take it the single massive chainring would be quite flat course specific…as I would think even a 3% grade would be a challenge?

  16. Glad you noticed that the Tri bike is a 52….. come onnnnnn, i was waiting for the answer to why the TT bike is a 54 and the Tri Bike is a 52!

  17. I'm surprised how high Matt's saddle position appears on full leg extension. I think I need to review my own.

  18. That was horrendously uninteresting. Here's two bikes for two different purposes but there's no measurements and all were gonna say is omg a 60t chainring.

  19. Matt, youre the fuckin man! im curently trying to break my time of 3 hours/60 miles on my TT setup road bike. checked out your other videos on aerodynamics, thanks for all the helpful tips!

  20. Noticed you dont have the hydration system fitted to the front of the Triathlon bike. Is that because you've found little benefit drag wise Matt?

  21. he spent 10 grand on a whole new bike to change a wheel and lose a chainring and only "dabbled in" triathlon

  22. Matt, if you’re still replying to people: what bend do you use with the D2Z extensions on your TT bike?
    And, I know you’re using DA, but with etap where would you recommend hiding the blipbox on the TT model?
    Thanks!

  23. I love all your videos bro.. i love all your bikes.. sad to say im a poor filipino who is only dreaming for a nice bikes.. your blesses enough

  24. Those disc wheels seem to be for too perfect conditions(track). I suspect if you have side wind, especially gusty, it can be uncomfortable, no?

  25. Must be nice to have either the money or sponcers to pay for these bikes. Us average Joe's have to do the best we can with out paychecks and family costs.

  26. Next they will require a 1 kg bike.. This guy would be crushed racing on a 14kg bike with 25 km hr head winds. Time to develop the legs and stop relying on these super light bikes it makes cycling look ridiculous. UCI needs to move all bike weights to minimum 10 kg.

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