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Why Ollie Chose Rim Brakes For His New Pinarello Dogma F12

Why Ollie Chose Rim Brakes For His New Pinarello Dogma F12

– This absolute beauty is my brand new Pinarello Dogma F12 with rim brakes. In GCN colors. It’s the exact same model
as ridden by Team INEOS in the Tour de France and it’s available in both rim brakes and disc brakes. Now, I’m going to tell
you all about my new bike and why I chose rim brakes specifically, I’m going to give you
all the measurements. I’m going to tell you the weight of it, but before I do, make
sure you subscribe to GCN if you haven’t already, and
also click the little bell icon ’cause it gives you notifications and it helps support the channel. (relaxed electronic music) Right, before we go any further, I’d better take my GCN water bottle out and my saddle bag off just to make the bike look a bit prettier. Pinarello are one of our bike sponsors here at GCN, and with that
comes the very lucky option for the presenters to pick
the model that they want. Now, Opie and Hank both
chose the F12 Disc. Jay Powers has gone for the Grevil+ bike. And I’ve gone for the F12 as well because road riding is my main passion. But, I chose the rim brake version. This is for a number of reasons and the first one is weight. Now, rim brake bikes still weigh less than disc brake bikes, it may not be much, it may only be a few hundred grams and the difference may mostly
be psychological in my head. But to me, it still matters. Most of the riding I do is on open roads with other cars and traffic. So I don’t like taking unnecessary risks on the descents and I feel that I’m able to descend safely without pushing the bike to the point where I need disc brakes. Also, most of the riding
that I do in my local area, it’s about 90% of the riding I do, is on roads and descents that
aren’t that long or technical. And I feel perfectly comfortable negotiating them on rim brakes. I have to stress that I
do believe disc brakes are for better braking
performance in all conditions. But, I’m not being paid to race if I race and I don’t feel like I want
to take unnecessary risks when the roads are slippery. The riding we do is very personal and the thing that I enjoy most when I ride a bike is racing my friends, and my brother in particular, up climbs. And for this, the slightly lighter bike that’s rim brake is
really appealing to me. Also in my life, I do a lot of traveling both with work and in my personal life. And that involves packing
bikes in an out of cars, packing bikes in and out
of bike boxes to fly with. And for this, I find rim brakes
much easier to live with. They’re much more simplistic
and if one is, say, rubbing, it’s easy to just adjust it on the fly and stop it rubbing, it’s a
bit more of an involved process with disc brakes and the new F12 has the best rim brakes you can get because it’s now direct
mount over the single mount that was on the F10. But I’m not anti disc brake at all, I think that there are
things on disc brakes that’re way better than rim brakes. I think there’s just
advantages and disadvantages to both systems at this point. Now there’s another very big factor as to why I’ve picked
rim brakes on this bike. And that is that I’m very lucky in that I already have a disc brake bike in the form of my wicked Orbea Orca Disc. Now, if I was heading out on a ride and it was going to be wet
or I was going somewhere with long and tricky descents, that’s the bike that I would opt for. Now I think if I could only have one bike, then I’d probably go
for a disc brake bike. It’s clearly the future,
and the weight penalty of disc brake bikes will
continue to come down and probably beat rim brakes eventually. In fact, we’ve already seen this year a few bikes like the new Cannondale EVO, are said to be lighter in
the disc brake version. But, there’s no one size fits all when it comes to the ideal bike for you,
or you, or you, or me. What we all want out of our bikes and where we do our riding
is different for everyone and if I lived in Iceland
with all of its epic gravel then I’d 100% want a gravel bike with big tires and disc brakes. If I lived in the Alps,
which I kind of wish I did, then I’d totally go for a lightweight bike with disc brakes too, ’cause I’d want them for the big long descents
that I’d be tackling in all weathers. So after opening that can of worms, I’m going to tell you about some of the other details on my bike. So I’ve got full Dura-Ace
Di2 groupset throughout. And I’ve swapped out the chainset for a Quarq D4 powermeter one. And to do this I actually had
to change the bottom bracket as well, so it came
with a threaded Italian external cut bottom bracket, and I’ve swapped that for a SRAM GXP one to accommodate the powermeter. And the external bottom bracket
adds a little bit of weight, but it’s a very durable system and it’s less prone to
creaking than a press fit one. So, onto the powermeter,
I’ve got 52 36 chain rings at the moment, but I
do like to change those depending on where I’m riding. So if I go somewhere really flat then I do like to put on bigger ones and smaller ones if I’m
heading to the mountains. And the nice thing is
about the new Shimano, is that the universal bolt spacing, or the bolt spacing on
the chainset, is the same. Which means that you can
change the chain rings irrespective of the size of the cranks, that wasn’t the case in older models. At the back I’ve got an 11 30 cassette and that’s the cassette
that I tend to use, well, pretty much all the time, wherever I ride. Then the wheels, they’re Zipp 202 NSW
Clinchers at the moment. But again, I do like to swap these, depending on where I’m riding. And we’re lucky that we’ve got a load of different wheel
depths available to us at GCN. Now, at the moment I’m in Yorkshire. And it’s very hilly, so
I’ve gone for the 202s ’cause they’re nice and light. And I won’t be going that fast
so aero is not that important on these steep climbs! On those I’ve got GP 5000s
from Continental as well, 25 millimeter width. Onto the cockpit, and we’ve
got the new Most Talon Ultra, integrated bar and stem. Now according to Pinarello, it’s lighter, stiffer,
and more aerodynamic than the one that was
previously found on the F10. But I just think it looks really cool. It’s really nice and neat and
all the cables are integrated through the bar, through the stem and into the head tube which, well, is just very neat and tidy. And out front we’ve got
the new Most Talon Mount which, my Wahoo Bolt is on there as well. And underneath, this is pretty neat, there’s a little mounting point here where you can attach a GoPro mount, which should come in handy for filming some GCN videos in the future. I’m going to do some measurements for you ’cause I know you love measurements. So my stem is 120 millimeters, the bars are 38 centimeters wide, I quite like a narrow bike,
I’ve had that on other bikes and my shoulders aren’t the widest so it feels comfortable. The bike frame is a size
56, the cranks are 172.5s, and my saddle height
from the center of the BB to the center of the
saddle is 77 centimeters. Oh, and in case you’re wondering,
I’m 185 centimeters tall. So, some other cool details on my bike, well, we’ve got the Topeak
Shuttle Carbon Bottle Cages. I like these, they’re cool,
they’re just 25 grams each for those bad boys. And my saddle of choice is the same that I’ve had on my other presenter bikes, it’s a Fizik Arione 00 saddle, which is my favorite saddle to sit on. And if you’re wondering
how much it weighs, well in this build, as you see it here, with the pedals, powermeter, and wheels, it’s hitting the scales at 7.15 kilograms. So, if I put tubular wheels on it I reckon I could get it close to 6.8. Right, I hope you’ve enjoyed this look at my beautiful Pinarello,
I certainly feel very luck to be able to ride this bike and if you have, please
give it a thumbs-up. And let us know in the comments section whether or not you would choose
rim brakes or disc brakes. Keep it civil and be
nice, and, (he laughs) I hope appreciate that I’ve given a balanced argument on
rim and disc brakes, and I’ve just tried to be honest about it. Now, if you’d like to watch another video on the beautiful F12, then you can click down
here on my chainset.

100 comments on “Why Ollie Chose Rim Brakes For His New Pinarello Dogma F12

  1. DISC brakes are an eyesore . front wheels are radially spoked on rim brakes are much lighter and far more beautiful to look at ….simplicity and ease are key factors . i don't like riding in the wet and ride with great caution on decents…..

  2. Cringe if you like….I've always thought discs are a novelty bandwagon everyone has been forced into paying extra for… I like the uncomplicated simplicity and beauty of a bike without them…

  3. I live in Florida, and therefore ride rim brakes. While it does rain quite a bit, it's just so flat that disc brakes aren't needed. The extra cost and weight don't make sense here in flatville, so until all of that is remedied, I'll stick with rim brakes.

  4. I ride both rim and disc brake bikes. Discs are best for hills and wet conditions. Rim brakes are fine for pancake rides and dry weather. Rode rim brakes for many years in many different places with no problems. That Pinarello F12 looks great, but would really dislike having to pay for one! My ancient and way less expensive 2011 Ridley Noah in ride ready form tips the scale at 6.6kg. Strangely, I just made my disc brake bike heavier for a bit of added workout value. :-p

  5. So …… i don't need to go all FOMO on disc brakes? The rim brakes that always stopped my bike will continue to do so?
    Sweet relief !!
    (Still looking for a 36 gear bike though; I'm sure I'd go WAY faster than I do on my 22-speed.)

  6. i prefer rim breaks i really don't like the same of shimanos disk hoods as they can really bother my hands. how ever for mountain and cross i prefer disc

  7. Ollie, it sounds like you prefer sizing down as far as frame choice. I know that's a personal choice, and I'm in that same camp. 183 cm in height, and after test riding a ton of bikes, including a couple of 61 cm frames that bike shop proprietors insisted was correct for my height, eventually chose a size "M/L" from Giant, which is the approximate equivalent of 55.5-56 cm. I'm in my third year with this bike, and could not be happier with my choice in terms of comfort, bike handling, and the ability to maximize my (admittedly very modest) power output! Oh, edit to add that I went with discs, and have been thrilled with their performance, but I still totally get the appeal of rims.

  8. nice bike but, I rode a disc and thought it was nothing special for its price and hype. I have a Defy pro 0 and it was under £5000 has a fitted power meter and the ride was for me far superior. I Have no issue with rim brakes but I will always choose disc no matter what type of riding I would doenjoy your ride choice

  9. I will only say what I have experience on:

    I live on a volcanic island, so there are basicly no flats just up's and downs, i have been using rim brakes during. In here you can encounter steep decends that go for 200m vertical (avg -17%, max 23%) with tight corners and some long decends full of tight corners, I find that they are very good at breaking and I don't need disk brakes honestly, roads are sometimes quite bumpy so I suffer from a problem, every 400km I have to realign the front wheel because of the heat that the breakes grenerate, bumpy roads plus tight corners. But that is all the complains I have with it. I also have to say that I never used them in wet conditions because i don't need to ride in the rain LOL.
    I have also used brake disk from a bike of a friend, I hate when they get a mildly hot and start screaming, those were hydraulic too. They surely gave me more breaking power but I didnt feel the need for it, plus the breaks sounded like those coal old trains once they got to break on a train station they would just ear rape everyone nearby. I have never experienced such thing with rim breaks, when they overheat you can hear a suddle (sssssssssssssssssssssss) and not blow everyone's hear.

  10. Rim breaks? Its like choosing a 1999 computer over a 2019 computer, no thanks. I wonder how many mountain bikes are sold with rims breaks? Then you realize, 99.9% are sold with disk breaks, its because rim breaks will never be as good as disk breaks.

  11. Chose rim brakes as they're lighter for longer climbs. Has a second bike with disc brakes incase he's goes somewhere with long descents. Surely to get to the top of those long descents, there must be a long climb. Bike change at the top perhaps?!

  12. I wonder how the wheel stresses differ between disc brake and rim brake as they operate on different areas of the wheel. My cannondale has disc brakes I use it for winter. My Wilier has rim brakes which is my best bike for summer. I like the disc brakes but I like the rim brakes more as they are lighter and far less fiddly to adjust and look neater.

  13. I know you are probably gonna think I am stupid but I am 176cm tall and my saddle height is at 78cm. I am very fortunate to have long legs so I get mos levarage

  14. You said you like to be able to adjust brakes on the fly with rim brakes. Disc brakes would involve having a hydraulic setup with all the adjusting that requires. Was this a factor? As a nonpro cyclist who has to pay for mechanical assistance, bleeding brakes would be one more headache. Any thoughts?

  15. I've been rocking mechanical disc brakes all year and so far its been great. Easy to pack in the bike box, not difficult to maintain, and they stop better than my older RIM brake system, especially in the wet. Watching my friends deal with setting up their hydraulic systems, bleeding brake lines, caliper adjustments, seems like a hassle.

  16. He forgot to mention several highly understated disadvantages that disk brakes have versus rim brakes, that I suspect manufacturers hide from us simply because they want to sell consumers disk brakes because they are more expensive equipment:

    1. In a professional race, if you get a flat, particularly in the rear wheel, swapping out the wheel takes muuuuuuch longer with disks than rims. That could mean losing precious seconds or even minutes for a rider.

    2. Yes, disks have more stopping power than traditional pivot mount rim brakes. But, according to Shimano, direct mount rim brakes have the same stopping power as a 140mm hydraulic disk brake system. Only 160mm and above are more powerful. Ironically, most road bikes only come stock with 140mm. Why? Because you don’t need any more! This isn’t MTB; it’s road cycling.

    3. You do not want to be involved in a multiple rider crash in the peloton and have a disk slice your leg. It’s happened before and will continue to happen.

    4. Unless every rider in your group has disks, which is highly unlikely, there is an unequal level of braking in said group. So, if you’re in the draft, with your front wheel centimeters away from the back wheel of the rider in front of you, this would just add another challenge to your performance. It’s hard enough to just ride at high speed in the draft in a group. What? So now I have to dominate another skill to just control my own machine? Please.

    5. Road disk brake systems today are still based on technology originally designed for MTB and the needs of mountain bikers, and are still derivations of MTB brake systems. Although Shimano and the other manufacturers are hard at work thinking of solutions to some of the issues previously mentioned in order to suit road riders more, the fact remains that disk brakes were originally created for a totally different sport: mountain biking.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not against disk brakes. I have a bike store and have disk and rim systems for most models and they both make for excellent all around bikes. I myself own a cyclocross bike with disks and love it. But weighing all the pros and cons, disks have as many disadvantages as advantages as rims. And, many people just prefer the feel of disk brakes and that is a valid opinion.

    So, if you want disks vs rim brakes, just go ahead and buy them. But this argument that they are supposedly “better in every way” is simply not true. And finally, just shut up and ride!

  17. Ollie made a well informed, individual decision, like the Yorkshire man he is. I would add that disc brakes are kind of ugly as well.

  18. I'm on my second disc bike- a '16 Kona Roadhouse. Last disc bike. Never again. I hate the noise. I hate how they feel when I'm really getting on them. I hate the pad build-up that scrapes on the rotors. If the geo weren't spot-on, I'd have sold it already.

    The next bike is probably going to be a Waterford- a copy of this geo with ultegra calipers squeezing some Velocity Chukkers.


  20. Ollie – “Fizik Arione – my favourite saddle to sit on”. What happened to the Selle Italia which was meant to be more comfy ? 3:17 min into this video Just say in’ 😉

  21. Would love to hear your thoughts about rim brakes, but I can't watch the video because carbon Pinarellos are so ugly, they make me physically sick.

  22. Dear Ollie, Thank you so much for coming out and supporting those who use rim brakes. I am a closet rim brake lover, but sadly, I have never felt comfortable in declaring my orientation to other disc brake users. But because of your openness and public support of rim brakes, I am encouraged and inspired to be proud of my choices, not to feel ashamed and to help advocate other rim brake users to be be true to themselves. Yours in faith. SBA

  23. This is interesting because I picked a disc break bike specifically because I'd ride my brakes down descents trying to stay safe. I would go through brake pads so quick and in a hot day the rims would heat up like crazy and I even melted the tire coming down vontoux. I found rim brakes soooo dangerous for someone trying to go slow down a hill

  24. Ollie, that 'rello is dope. I wish bike frames and forks are rim and disc brake interchangeable (for when you want which one to go with next ride), if there isn't one already.

  25. Rim v disc? Have both and if travel to ride is required rim is preferable. IMHO except for certain gravel courses, rim braking is fine and easier to adjust if required. Disc setting tolerances are so small and easy to get out of whack in transit. Who wants to reset your disc to pad clearance before a ride?

  26. When I get motivated I will investigate converting to disc brakes. My reason isn't for braking needs, but rather to save my rims.

  27. I use my road bike, Cannodale Synapse to commute. I have a place to take shower at work and so I don't hold back in terms of effort and speed while commuting, so I figured I'd spend a little more on a higher spec bike. So I got a disk brake version and God, do I regret it! Disk brakes turned out to be more expensive to buy and service and they don't really offer performance advantage unless you are in the mountains or are riding in the rain. But I actually live in a hilly area, not in the mountains. And you know what, I just don't ride in heavy rain as I just don't want to bother washing my bike afterwards. To top it off, disk brakes are a pain in the ass to set up. Man, even replacing wheels was an unpleasant experience 'cause of less choice and higher price of the disk brake versions. And screw those who came up with Centerlock design, like another tool is what I was missing…

  28. I agree that discs are better to modulate, but with the weight disadvantage, and the fact that rims lock up before the braking power peaks leave me to lean towards rim brakes. Also, the accumulated wheels remain compatible.

  29. Only ignorants choose rim brakes. Promoting rim brakes is so irresponsible, it is almost a crime. Shame on you, Ollie.

  30. Can I do a one finger stoppie with rim brakes? No, I cannot. So go to hell with rim brakes.
    Rim brakes should be outlawed.

  31. I don't like Pinarello bikes. I think they are ugly looking bikes. I'm allowed my opinion so if you don't agree with it you can STFU.

  32. A lovely crazy argument. Rim or disk. …now I'm stuck. Disk work far better!? Rim are lighter × look far better. The big bike people say disk. So, the answer is?…..

  33. If you're going to ride rim brakes, ride tubular tires too! (less risk of rim failure and lighter and great ride quality). Just bring a bottle of Vittoria Pit Stop: Tubular tire sealant and pump in one.

  34. I just came here from the 7-eleven Eddy Merckx classic bike video, I must say that this Pinarello strikes me as particularly ugly in comparison. One day we'll look at these bikes and say "What were we thinking ?".

  35. Olie, is that what you believe or are you told to say that by your sponsors. When you're paid to push a product or you receive financial inducements from a company your opinion is discredited.
    Expensive rim brakes that will wear out or expensive disk brakes that will not wear out.. that's the choice for us mortals who have to buy our own kit

  36. For my next winter hack/commute to work bike I’m going for discs. My best ride in the sunshine bike has rim brakes!

  37. Hello! Is this bike is very hard to ride I'm 54 years and I like this bike, I'm afraid I can't ride with. I'm afraid I can not take him away. Is it really demanding like the Pros? Thank You.

  38. For road use only, I still prefer rim brakes, as you said easier to live with/less to go wrong and the wheels can be kept lighter due to less spokes and no added rotational mass in the rotors etc..

  39. In my opinion with rim brakes it actually looks like a road bike should, I can't stand the look of discs especially the new Shimano ones that look like a blade for a kitchen implement.

    I appreciate also that road bikes only look like they do with spoked wheels and un-aerodynamic brake locations because of UCI rules so I'm siding with their mentality, but compared to a triathlon bike Ollie's new bike looks the mutts nuts.

  40. I see the points of still using rim brakes (lighter, simple, cheaper), but since first touching hydraulic disc brakes i was converted. recently had a high end bmc team machine as a rent on mallorca with rim brakes. Well,they worked. But wasn´t a big fan of the modulation and higher power needed to operate them compared to my ultegra di2 hydros at home. and they lacked that crisp and hard initial bite point i love on the discs. plus, i can ride fancy carbon wheels year round, that alone basically negates the initial wheight disadvantage.

  41. My cycling is primarily commutery so I insisted on disc brakes because I want to be able to get where I need to go in most any conditions. Plus when I've got groceries and whatnot loaded up, I wanted as much braking power as I could get

  42. Maybe i'm old fashioned at 63 years but i still prefer my rim brakes road bikes to the disk ones. Maybe it's also where i'm doing most of my riding in Suffolk but to my trip to the Alps last years i took both bikes and ended up riding mostly my rim brakes bike (it might also been that my rim brake bikes are Di2 and my disk ones are regular Dura-ace but i don't think so) . like Ollie i don't go crazy on the dissents justifying the added braking capability disk brakes give me and like someone said Dura-ace rim brakes will stop a runaway train

  43. This is the most counterlogical thing in the world. "I feel like disc brakes are better in all conditions" "I don't want to take risks when roads are slippery so I choose rim brakes" WHAT? I doubt you can even race on your pinarello and rims (its probably under UCI weight limit). And the difference between rim and discs is nowhere near "few hundred grams". It is 100g maybe? I just love this guy "I race my brother uphills so I cheat with rim brakes while risking that they brake worse on descends" THE RIVALRY BETWEEN BROTHERS IS REAL BRUH.

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